SkyWest voted no ALPA

[John Pennekamp]

So when you see them come before your hiring board, remember that they voted by a 65% margin that they don't want to be members of a union. They would rather undercut their fellow pilots by working directly with management. That's the kind of pilot I want on my seniority list... NOT!

 

[beechjetdriver]

I would expected more from a fellow Michigan fan. John, that had to be one of the most asinine comments I've ever read. In fact, I would like to petition all hiring boards to hire you everywhere so we could all listen to you constantly complain and whine while sitting next to you in the cockpit. I'm a member of ALPA and it's not that bad, however, it's not that great either. It's a union. Just because you're a union member doesn't make you a better pilot, better person, or entitled to be on a seniority list. Perhaps instead of posting on flightinfo 2,717 times you should worry about things that actually matter. Get a life, and go blue!

 

[Skyjet]

At only 35% voting yes I would say that they let there voice heard. They said no to alpa. The same as the pilots at Jet Blue, American, Southwest, And others.

 

[jws717]

Undercut? look at most ALPA regionals (mesa,mesaba,pinnicle). Don't forget that SkyWest pilots don't pay union dues.

 

[John Pennekamp]

I would expected more from a fellow Michigan fan. John, that had to be one of the most asinine comments I've ever read. In fact, I would like to petition all hiring boards to hire you everywhere so we could all listen to you constantly complain and whine while sitting next to you in the cockpit. I'm a member of ALPA and it's not that bad, however, it's not that great either. It's a union. Just because you're a union member doesn't make you a better pilot, better person, or entitled to be on a seniority list. Perhaps instead of posting on flightinfo 2,717 times you should worry about things that actually matter. Get a life, and go blue!

Speaking of asinine comments, since when did being a fan of a certain team make you more intelligent? If that were the case, then everyone who cheers for "The" Ohio State University should be in an asylum.

That said, I never claimed ALPA was "that great" it's members were "better pilots", or "better [people]". I simply pointed out that the SkyWest pilots just flipped off all of the unionized pilots in the industry. So get a life and feel free to post more. GO BLUE!

 

[FmrFreightDog]

If that were the case, then everyone who cheers for "The" Ohio State University should be in an asylum.

Yep. That did it. We can't be friends anymore.

 

[puddlejumper101]

knowing what I now know I don't blame Skywest for turning down ALPA. At the regional level I would rather be on my own with my own union than with ALPA...what has ALPA done for any regional carrier lately except pinn them up against their mainline counterparts? In fact, AA knew what they were doing when APA was created. I am pro union...just not ALPA. Is it a coincidence that Skywest is the best regional to work for??? HMM wonder why...could it be that ALPA is not on the property?? HMM...let me think about that. SWA is a great place to work...wobder why?? No ALPA here either. I flew for an ALPA carrier...trust me...Skywest is better off without them. If it isn't broken, don't break it.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

So when you see them come before your hiring board, remember that they voted by a 65% margin that they don't want to be members of a union. They would rather undercut their fellow pilots by working directly with management. That's the kind of pilot I want on my seniority list... NOT!

I completely disagree!! They see just how ALPA treats its own and chose not to be a part of politics before policy!!!!

Here we are 6 months later and ALPA is still holding over the seniority list over the AWA pilots head to get them to deal away an arbitrated award. Not cool ALPA and until you do right by your membership everything you think about is going to fail!!!

WD.

 

[PHXFLYR]

So Skywest voted down ALPA representation. Gee...I wonder why???

PHXFLYR

 

[jonjuan]

peniskramp-on this message board, it's now 10-1 in posts against ALPA. Please retort again why you think every SkyWest pilot should never be hired at a major airline, LCC, Cargo carrier, etc?
Sweetie, you are the one who needs a psyche eval.


MOD INPUT: PLEASE REFRAIN FROM DIVULGING PERSONAL ANATOMY ISSUES.

 

[Cardinal]

Talk about missing the forest for the trees....so AAA/AWA would be a placid sea of contenment if it weren't for bad old ALPA in the mix? THAT is asinine. All politics are local, nowhere is that more true than in union politics. The MEC and the line pilots is where the buck stops, if a particular MEC can't extract their head from their ass on occasion, that is between them and their membership, not Herndon.

At only 35% voting yes I would say that they let there voice heard. They said no to alpa. The same as the pilots at Jet Blue, American, Southwest, And others.

Don't act like SkyWest is simply passing on ALPA and is rushing to set up an in-house union, because that is false. Comparing the SkyWest group and their feelings with pro-active, successful, and organized groups like the APA and SWAPA is preposterous.

I have lot's of friends over there, but the SkyWest pilot group screwed the pooch this time.

 

[Cardinal]

peniskramp-on this message board, it's now 10-1 in posts against ALPA. Please retort again why you think every SkyWest pilot should never be hired at a major airline, LCC, Cargo carrier, etc?
Sweetie, you are the one who needs a psyche eval.

Firstly, he didn't say "should never be hired."

Further, one can't throw out the baby with the bathwater, as nobody knows who the 65% are. And it's difficult to broach such a subject in an interview, so the point is really quite moot.

But imagine yourself looking across the table at a pilot applicant, and there's a 65% chance he just told your union to get bent. How can there be any expectation of future unity? This guy is going to stand shoulder to shoulder with you on a picket line on a 0 degree day? It's difficult to picture.

Clever, classy name calling, by the way.

 

[Newpilot2b]

Hey Cardinal - get bent

 

[scarlet]

Well we feel the same way as you do when Skybus captains fly 130-150 people for 65k.

Skywest pilots fly the 700-900 aircraft for pretty much 50 seat rates. Thanks for justifing to SKYWEST magt. that I need a pay cut or they will just transfer aircraft to Skywest.

Skywest pilots have what they do because of us! Your welcome from ASA and Comair ALPA guys !

 

[scarlet]

Cardinal exactlly= with the likes of these pilots they are what is contributing to the lowering the bar!

These guys will not walk the picket line with you, but they want to work at your airline and take your seat=SCAB

 

[jonjuan]

So when you see them come before your hiring board, remember that they voted by a 65% margin that they don't want to be members of a union. They would rather undercut their fellow pilots by working directly with management. That's the kind of pilot I want on my seniority list... NOT!

Uh huh....And should you go to work for Frontier, you are directly helping management undercut fellow WN pilots by having less than Greyhound fares from Denver to Hartford, Oklahoma, Omaha, St. Louis, and Tulsa.
When you speak of undercutting fellow pilots, are you talking about flying similar airplanes with similar passengers who would otherwise fly on other carriers more expensive routes, thereby "stealing business?"
Or by "fellow pilots" are you talking about undercutting members of your company union to which Cardinal refers?

 

[jonjuan]

Cardinal exactlly= with the likes of these pilots they are what is contributing to the lowering the bar!

These guys will not walk the picket line with you, but they want to work at your airline and take your seat=SCAB

Sounds like Frontier pilots. Why not raise the bar, girls??? By doing the same thing as WN pilots for much LESS pay, you are undercutting your fellow pilots.
Frontier management is laughing all the way to the bank.....

 

[Jungle_Jet]

Good for them for showing some common sense and thinking for themselves, and not swallowing the collectivist crap spewed by union apologists.

 

[Deerkiller]

Cardinal exactlly= with the likes of these pilots they are what is contributing to the lowering the bar!

These guys will not walk the picket line with you, but they want to work at your airline and take your seat=SCAB

Get over yourself.

You have no idea what the word SCAB means. You throw it around like you're some big tough guy. Learn some history b4 you start throwing that word around. If it applies, fine, but it doesn't here, so move on.

 

[FDJ2]

Get over yourself.

You have no idea what the word SCAB means. You throw it around like you're some big tough guy. Learn some history b4 you start throwing that word around.

Just out of curiosity, do you know who invented the phrase and to whom he directed it?

 

[obadie]

Get over yourself.

You have no idea what the word SCAB means. You throw it around like you're some big tough guy. Learn some history b4 you start throwing that word around. If it applies, fine, but it doesn't here, so move on.

I couldn't agree with you more!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Uh huh....And should you go to work for Frontier, you are directly helping management undercut fellow WN pilots by having less than Greyhound fares from Denver to Hartford, Oklahoma, Omaha, St. Louis, and Tulsa.
When you speak of undercutting fellow pilots, are you talking about flying similar airplanes with similar passengers who would otherwise fly on other carriers more expensive routes, thereby "stealing business?"
Or by "fellow pilots" are you talking about undercutting members of your company union to which Cardinal refers?

You mean like the SkyWest pilots undercutting ASA (during negotiations) by agreeing to fly 76 seat -900s for nearly 50 seat pay, thus stealing the airplanes we were supposed to get, then invading our hub with them, shamelessly? Isn't that kind of like stealing another pilot's job?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Just out of curiosity, do you know who invented the phrase and to whom he directed it?

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

 

[SkiFishFly]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

Or... He is future legacy airline management material "we have to gain market share. It is all about getting that market share..."

 

[Deerkiller]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

C'mon man. Give me a chance to get out of bed before you answer for me.

Some people might like this version as well:

http://dawn.thot.net/scab.html

 

[flygirlqt]

Jack London called anyone who under cut another a scab. If two vendors sold a product on a street and one intentionally sold for less he was a scab...




http://www.readbookonline.net/readOnLine/2554/

Jack London also promoted a socialists society. Hardly a role model.

Speaking of undercutting, I wonder what he'd have to say about buying your job and paying for training?

PCL any help here ?

 

[Deerkiller]

Jack London also promoted a socialists society. Hardly a role model.

Speaking of undercutting, I wonder what he'd have to say about buying your job and paying for training?

PCL any help here ?

I don't recall anyone saying that Jack London was their role model.

Does anyone remember what this thread was about...oh yeah, SkyWest saying no to ALPA, again.

 

[flygirlqt]

I don't recall anyone saying that Jack London was their role model.

Does anyone remember what this thread was about...oh yeah, SkyWest saying no to ALPA, again.

His verse is a role model though for ALPA and some of the more rabid union pilots. London is a particularly bad author to associate unionism with. No matter what he wrote.

 

[samballs]

Speaking of asinine comments, since when did being a fan of a certain team make you more intelligent? If that were the case, then everyone who cheers for "The" Ohio State University should be in an asylum.

That said, I never claimed ALPA was "that great" it's members were "better pilots", or "better [people]". I simply pointed out that the SkyWest pilots just flipped off all of the unionized pilots in the industry. So get a life and feel free to post more. GO BLUE!

You realize speaking bad about us OSU fans is like saying I'm gonna hurt the president over the phone, little men show up at your house and make you think some weird thoughts..

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Skywest pilots do not need any ALPA merger policy in the way of their next acquisition. Skywest has $500M ready to use. ALPA would just mess it up.

Screw ALPA before they screw you. Ask the US Air guys what they think of ALPA merger policy.