SkyWest Vote

[cfi_greg]

Ouch, that really hurts! Did my time at ASA, moved on, don't really think the child thing fits. So again the question, WTH are you voting on, and WTF does it matter? Serious questions. Please though, feel free to attempt to make light of my questions, since you can't use the ALPA message boards to ask your fellow pilots directly.

Doesn't really seem like you care to have your questions answered. But glad you moved on and there's usually no skywest posts cause they have they're own forum to bitch on. Cheers

 

[joe_pilot]

I scored well enough on the SAT vebal to see that you still have not illuminated your vast insternet audience as to what the hell you are voting on.....

Yes, it is working out well for me, to answer your question. I would never have been able to expose you for such a giant toolbag idiot if I were not much, much smarter than you!

-Reasonable?-You be the judge

I'm glad I give meaning to your life, J. What I mean is, other than providing a Non sequitur here on FI, how are things working out for you?

(Note: Should I mention your need for a spell check? Nah, it was an honest mistake on your part. Just a typo.)

Fly Safe.

-JP

 

[lemtjones]

The only vote that counts is JA's.

Funny, and sadly... True.

The only way to get anything more than what company accountants are willing to give is to be an organized labor group, they are trying to run a business and labor is one of the highest costs. I voted for ALPA but I don't think they are the best solution for Skywest. I think if SKW organized an in house union much like Southwest we would be much better off. We could use jetBlue as a model as they organize, whose management, like Skywest and Southwest, has a history of being proactive instead of confrontational.

 

[John Pennekamp]

"leverage", we lost our leverage when the union was voted down. Im tired of hearing all of my dumb FOs complaining about the proposed 30 cent raise for 2nd year pay. They all say they deserve more for voting down the union. And they think that if they vote "no" another union drive will come along to get them more pay. Idiots. Six months ago was the time to complain, not now. According to the ALPA OC their wont be another drive for at least five years, more like ten with the amount of yes votes they got. Im voted yes and will enjoy my three percent raise. And remember your NO vote doesn't matter.

The Chinese definition of insanity is to make the same mistakes over and over, expecting a different result every time.

 

[buscap]

The Chinese definition of insanity is to make the same mistakes over and over, expecting a different result every time.

Simply amazing.

A pilot group that won't vote for a union, will cast a vote which is completely meaningless.

Lame people.

Very lame.

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

I voted for the union. I also voted for the current sapa pres. (and fwiw M.N.) I also voted a big fat yes to this pay package. I did this not because I like it. I would have liked to see some QOL negotiated as well. It doesn't even do that much for my pay! (about a percent or so) I voted yes for the New-Hires. I also voted yes because it really doesn't do jack-sh$t for the guys in the 2-3 yr range. (Those who probably didn't vote alpa- the self centered ones!)

Enjoy your 40 bucks a mo. tools! The rising price of gas is gonna more than chew through that.

 

[Crossky]

Something to think about Skywesties:

Compare your pay: If it's within 2% less per hour than the other top regionals, you're ahead of the game. Because you don't pay union dues, and you get profit sharing. Few, if any unionized regionals do get profit sharing.

Which ones do by the way?

In any case, my hat is off to you and your Mitt loving St. George management. For 2008 and beyond, you're the best coat-tailers in the nation!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Something to think about Skywesties:

Compare your pay: If it's within 2% less per hour than the other top regionals, you're ahead of the game. Because you don't pay union dues, and you get profit sharing. Few, if any unionized regionals do get profit sharing.

Which ones do by the way?

In any case, my hat is off to you and your Mitt loving St. George management. For 2008 and beyond, you're the best coat-tailers in the nation!

2% less than we make would be on par with us since ALPA dues are 1.95%, and thus 1.95% comes off the top.

And in light of that, basically, SkyWest management is pocketing the money you would be paying to the union. Chew on that.

 

[relief tube]

Something to think about Skywesties:

Compare your pay: If it's within 2% less per hour than the other top regionals, you're ahead of the game. Because you don't pay union dues, and you get profit sharing.

OMG! But it's not A$$, it's not even close to within 2%.

Hope you all get a better turnout this time around. Maybee if there was free kool-aid for those that vote, it'd help.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

AirKSK probably thinks he elects the President too.

 

[sweptback]

Few, if any unionized regionals do get profit sharing.

Which ones do by the way?

Just off the top of my head: ASA, XJT, RAH, CAL. I'm sure there's more.

 

[airksk]

AirKSK probably thinks he elects the President too.

Aww, come on, just because your skywest opinion poll doesn't matter, don't kill my dream of hand selecting the next president!

 

[buscap]

The Skywest pilots voting on anything, reminds me of those old ladies in Iraq signing their votes for Hussein in blood.

The votes were meaningless in both cases.

But I do have some respect for the old ladies.

At least they had a gun to their heads.

As a group the Skywest pilots are just a bunch of shortsighted idiots.

 

[Flyerdan]

I do wonder why we vote for a pay raise at SkyWest. I guess it's because of the RLA. I could see where a pay rate could be based upon experience as opposed to seniority, or some other method. Perhaps even based on individual one-on-one negotiations like in many other industries. I think the bottom line is that SkyWest pilots vote their approval of pay & QOL policies through their continued willingness to stay at SkyWest.

 

[RP170]

I voted yes for the New-Hires.

If you voted "no", the insanely low first year pay rates would most likely be raised significantly if Skywest couldn't fill new-hire classes.

There is a pilot shortage. I don't understand why pilot groups aren't using this to their advantage for better pay raises than a dollar here or there.

I guess you don't have any leverage without a union though.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I do wonder why we vote for a pay raise at SkyWest. I guess it's because of the RLA. I could see where a pay rate could be based upon experience as opposed to seniority, or some other method. Perhaps even based on individual one-on-one negotiations like in many other industries. I think the bottom line is that SkyWest pilots vote their approval of pay & QOL policies through their continued willingness to stay at SkyWest.

I voted no, I am hoping for a package that takes from the stupid 2nd year SIC types. My 77.00+ per hour need enhancment, and since we are "everyman for himself" I want a slice of stupiddans small pie, couple a bucks would be nice, he wont miss it!
PBR

 

[JoeMerchant]

The Skywest pilots voting on anything, reminds me of those old ladies in Iraq signing their votes for Hussein in blood.

The votes were meaningless in both cases.

But I do have some respect for the old ladies.

At least they had a gun to their heads.

As a group the Skywest pilots are just a bunch of shortsighted idiots.

...... nawww... the idiots are those of us who send 1.95% of our pay to Herndon and actually believe it gives us leverage in the portfolio whipsaw that Herndon actually helped create with management....

At least the SAPA extended the longevity to 20 years for the senior folks.....what did the senior folks at ASA get?

 

[Gr82Aviate]

...... nawww... the idiots are those of us who send 1.95% of our pay to Herndon and actually believe it gives us leverage in the portfolio whipsaw that Herndon actually helped create with management....

At least the SAPA extended the longevity to 20 years for the senior folks.....what did the senior folks at ASA get?

I think the answer is : large retro/signing bonus checks, that we didn't get!!!

 

[JoeMerchant]

I think the answer is : large retro/signing bonus checks, that we didn't get!!!

....it didn't even make up for the lost wages if we had taken the CMR rates in 2002.....much less the lost 401k contributions....not to mention most of it was weighted towards time served during negotiations.....which means a 6 year captain got almost as much as an 18 year captain, even though the 18 year captain lost more during those years....

.....the senior folks got the shaft.....we are a minority and the minority always get's the shaft with ALPA.......

Edit: Gr82Aviate, I just realized you are a Skywest pilot (I think)..... the senior 700 captains, after 5+ years of negiations got a $1/hr raise, with no additional vacation. Horizon gets about $20/hr more for the 700.... The problem isn't whether or not you are ALPA/Teamsters/GDI.... it is about whether or not you are competing for the flying....

It wasn't Skywest rates that brought the 700 down...... It was our fellow ALPA brothers at Mesa, PCL, Mesaba, and Mainline that brought the "curve" down......

ALPA can regain credibility if it can stop the competition within a brand..... until then it is is just a bunch of empty chest-thumping.....

Joe
(14 year ALPA member)

 

[Gr82Aviate]

....it didn't even make up for the lost wages if we had taken the CMR rates in 2002.....much less the lost 401k contributions....not to mention most of it was weighted towards time served during negotiations.....which means a 6 year captain got almost as much as an 18 year captain, even though the 18 year captain lost more during those years....

.....the senior folks got the shaft.....we are a minority and the minority always get's the shaft with ALPA.......

Edit: Gr82Aviate, I just realized you are a Skywest pilot (I think)..... the senior 700 captains, after 5+ years of negiations got a $1/hr raise, with no additional vacation. Horizon gets about $20/hr more for the 700.... The problem isn't whether or not you are ALPA/Teamsters/GDI.... it is about whether or not you are competing for the flying....

It wasn't Skywest rates that brought the 700 down...... It was our fellow ALPA brothers at Mesa, PCL, Mesaba, and Mainline that brought the "curve" down......

ALPA can regain credibility if it can stop the competition within a brand..... until then it is is just a bunch of empty chest-thumping.....

Joe
(14 year ALPA member)

If it makes you feel any better, we didn't get any addtional vacation either...and I'm pretty sure ASA is better in that department already anyway!