Skywest to buy Mesa and ExpressJet

[hotwing]

really?

Go ahead and try to buy xjt, but the lists will either be merged or it won't happen.

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[sniper]

Unoin thugg?

Nice spelling, now get your knee pads and get under the desk boy.

 

[Nevets]

What would Xjet bring to the table in terms of AC?

244 50 seat ERJs.

Skywest Inc. is not an airline, it's a holding company. ASA and Skywest Airlines are two wholly owned subsidiaries run independent of one another.

Would still have to combine pilot seniority lists.

Is it possible since Skywest INC is a holding Comany and not an airline they can bypass Expressjet scope?

Not unless the XJT pilots' contract is negotiated away.

Their contract would be binding to the airline they merge with, not the holding company.

Only their pilot group through the MEC can agree to something different.

That is incorrect.

I haven't read their contract, this is how it was explained to me by an XJT pilot.

Skywest Inc. can merge them with one airline or the other, from my understanding. Does the contract state something different?

That XJT pilot is incorrect.

Skywest can buy XJT tomorrow and does not have to merge any lists until new aircraft are purchased. Once a new plane is brought on property all the lists must be merged. That could be years from now.

For the pilots at XJT read pages 223-226. and then call CG for clarification

Props

This is incorrect as well.


Honestly guys, do you think that if there were any of these types of loopholes when SKW tried to buy XJT, that SKW would have surely exploited them then?

I believe that after the merger XJT will be the largest regional carrier for UAL, read somewhere that it would be 40% of regional feed. So for Skywest to acquire XJT makes sense to keep them as the dominant UAL regional.

As of the current block hours, XJT would be the largest regional lift provider for the new UA.

That dog won't hunt. How much do you expect to trade for that? My bet is nothing. There are programs being put in place to hopefully remove the whipsaw at the regional level. Could it evolve into more? That remains to be seen but as far as hiring only ALPA, I don't see that one having any legs for a long time.

I had heard that both CO/UA MECs and the DAL MEC was working on this type of contract language. Which may be the reason why supposedly SKW is no longer afraid of ALPA on its property with a combined list. Time will tell.

 

[homerjdispatch]

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This is incorrect as well.


Honestly guys, do you think that if there were any of these types of loopholes when SKW tried to buy XJT, that SKW would have surely exploited them then?

Where theres a will theres a way.... Dont underestimate the business dealing of Jerry and team...

 

[Nevets]

Where theres a will theres a way.... Dont underestimate the business dealing of Jerry and team...

Exactly my point. But with all their will, JA and BR couldn't make it happen then. What makes you think it would be any different this time?

 

[WalterSobchak]

Don't hold your breath on that one. Smoke and mirrors. CAL wanted something from XJET and SKYW helped them out. CAL got what they wanted and SKYW was paid.

Things are not always what they appear to be.

Bingo. In hindsight, it sure seems that SKW had no real desire to buy XJT the first time around. It was little more than a business "favor" to COA...build a little rapport with COA management so as to not be forgotten when the UAL/COA merger went down.

 

[Nevets]

Bingo. In hindsight, it sure seems that SKW had no real desire to buy XJT the first time around. It was little more than a business "favor" to COA...build a little rapport with COA management so as to not be forgotten when the UAL/COA merger went down.

Not exactly. SKW had nothing to lose by trying to buy XJT and getting a nice $8M gift from CO for their troubles if it didn't happen. But trust me, they would have taken XJT in a heartbeat if only the XJT MEC would have allowed the disgrace JA was offering to the pilots. In the end, the XJT BOD got stuck signing SKW's CPA they negotiated with CO, which included all the reduced costs of the pilots taking a 16% paycut and other synergies and economies of scale.

 

[trip]

Nice spelling, now get your knee pads and get under the desk boy.

Stupid phone.

It is good to see ALPA advocating the use of proper safety equipment!

 

[BCpilot81]

From my perspective, the presence of ALPA at ASA hasn't done anything to prevent Skywest, Inc from running that airline exactly the way they want to.

- understaffed for lean, efficient operation
- PBS
- red arrow days all month
- inadequate reserve coverage

I mean...what would they be doing to run leaner/make more profits without ALPA representing the pilot group?

Is it really any different?

They automatically make 2% more than us. But we have the benefit of an outdated magazine subscription that finds a way to ask for even more money from us. Wouldnt want John Prater's ALPA donated condo foreclosed on

 

[Erlanger]

"Skywest to buy ExpressJet" announcement to come tomorrow, Tuesday, August 3rd. 2010.