Skywest taking ASA planes (non-union-taking union work)

[scarlet]

ALPA is planning a big push for Skywest pilots to join. Skywest is offering their pilots alot of growth and a raise !!

Alot of Skywest pilots say they are not voting in favor of ALPA, but will fly ASA planes and routes !!

 

[Morning Wood]

If SkyWest owns ASA, but Delta owns the airplanes, then whose airplanes are they really? The route's aren't ASA's any more than the airplanes are.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

it's "a lot" by the way

Now you know. And knowing is half the battle.

 

[McNugget]

Go JOE!

 

[scarlet]

then maybe we could fly your aircraft and routes for cheaper price...

 

[Laboule]

Route

Another one...what does route own? Do you mean routes?

 

[Tomct]

All that needs to be done is all of the "Union/Alpa" Majors/Cargo carriers should only hire Union pilots! If you don't belong to one....hope you enjoy flying an RJ your entire career! And their "Lame" inhouse yesmen crew does'nt count as a union either!

 

[Laboule]

do you mean doesn't? maybe your union dues should have gone toward grammar classes. or is that union doos?

 

[Lazy8]

Hey folks,

I got a few questions for anyone willing to give an educated answer.

Is any pilot at ASA being furloughed or given lower pay because SkyWest is taking a small portion of their flying? Would SkyWest have won bids for those routes anyway if they had never bought ASA? I've never heard a single complaint from a SkyWest pilot about their QOL. The 50-seat pay on the 900 seems to be their only issue. Is ALPA really needed just to correct that?

Now don't get all your panties in a twist. I'm not asking any of this sarcastically. I know this is like talking about religion for most of you, but I'd like to see some of your thoughts on those questions.

g

 

[TOOL CRIB]

SKYW is taking some of ASA's CRJ700s, true. Ever notice the N***BR CRJ200s showing up? They are replacing the 70's with these GECAS planes. I'm sure it's all perfectly legit too.

 

[Punchy]

What? Huh? You have never heard a complaint from a SkyWest guy about QOL? Well let me be your first. There are about 2400 more of us that probably have a few gripes about QOL too.

 

[Lazy8]

What? Huh? You have never heard a complaint from a SkyWest guy about QOL? Well let me be your first. There are about 2400 more of us that probably have a few gripes about QOL too.

Yeah you'd be the first. But I've heard plenty of complaints about QOL/pay/etc from Mesa pilots which are ALPA members. What can ALPA really do for SkyWest? Just from a neutral observation it seems like they do alot more for the majors vs. regionals.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Yeah you'd be the first. But I've heard plenty of complaints about QOL/pay/etc from Mesa pilots which are ALPA members. What can ALPA really do for SkyWest? Just from a neutral observation it seems like they do alot more for the majors vs. regionals.

What are you talking about? SKYW managment has stated publicly that Mesa is their target for costs, how they gonna do that without cutting pay and workrules? I will tell you, I am complaining about the workrules and pay issues at this time and place. What can ALPA do for anyone? Nothing, the employee has to want to do something for themselves. Neutral? whatever you tell yourself to get through the night is ok. The major airline pilots seem to have a grasp on reality, I fly with F/Os who still state "I'm gonna get my 1000PIC and get hired at XYZ air, who cares about this place, I'm on my way out" I still see those guys slogging it out daily, getting '37 types to no avail.
5 years later. How many guys are standing in line for every mainline/freight job out there?
PBR

 

[puddlejumper101]

All that needs to be done is all of the "Union/Alpa" Majors/Cargo carriers should only hire Union pilots! If you don't belong to one....hope you enjoy flying an RJ your entire career! And their "Lame" inhouse yesmen crew does'nt count as a union either!

are you the same guy who wants to get hired by SWAPA? I am sure they would love to hear what you have to say. That's quite a contradiction don't you think? especially the "lame" inhouse yesmen union you talk about.

 

[Lazy8]

What are you talking about? SKYW management has stated publicly that Mesa is their target for costs, how they gonna do that without cutting pay and work rules? I will tell you, I am complaining about the work rules and pay issues at this time and place. What can ALPA do for anyone? Nothing, the employee has to want to do something for themselves. Neutral? whatever you tell yourself to get through the night is ok. The major airline pilots seem to have a grasp on reality, I fly with F/Os who still state "I'm gonna get my 1000PIC and get hired at XYZ air, who cares about this place, I'm on my way out" I still see those guys slogging it out daily, getting '37 types to no avail.
5 years later. How many guys are standing in line for every mainline/freight job out there?

So does SKYW have a unified employee culture strong enough to make big changes if ALPA is voted in? You make it sound like it doesn't. So in that case, is it worth it?

Like I said in my original post, I'm not trying to be sarcastic or rude. I'm just not a big fan of having blind faith in anything. I'd like to work for SKYW later down the road and, obviously, I'd like the best QOL/pay/rules possible. If ALPA is the answer to greater things for SKYW pilots then I'm all for it. I seriously hope the standards don't get lowered and I have no delusions of going into a regional for a quick 1000 turbine PIC and then moving right onto a major.

g

 

[737 Pylt]

And this is in the majors' section because...........

737

 

[dal757]

SKYW is taking some of ASA's CRJ700s, true. Ever notice the N***BR CRJ200s showing up? They are replacing the 70's with these GECAS planes. I'm sure it's all perfectly legit too.

Okay, maybe a dumb question but what are GECAS planes?

 

[Lazy8]

Okay, maybe a dumb question but what are GECAS planes?

I was wondering that too... GE Commercial Aviation Services?

 

[ASA_Willy]

do you mean doesn't? maybe your union dues should have gone toward grammar classes. or is that union doos?

Dude, did they take the shift key off your keyboard when they gave you your grammar police badge? And what's the deal with the sentence fragments? Or am I missing your point.

 

[Snoopy Mendoza]

And this is in the majors' section because...........

737

...it's not ASA or SkyWest's flying and jobs it's DAL's.

:beer:

 

[scarlet]

Well just 2 days ago 20 some people went from Captain back to F.O. because Skywest magt. is taking our airplanes to bust the union!! We have been in talks for over 4 years, so yes we have taken a pay cut and given our share to the down turn. The times have changed and making a boat load of money.

Magt. in America just keep taking more and more of our money, and want us to take a pay cut or they will just transfer the flying or work to someone else. We need to discourage this behavior !!

Skywest=union Busting

 

[Going2Baja]

They aren't your planes scarlet! Skywest owns you and your planes and they will do with them as they please. Follow the history and you will see the future. Study the case of West Air and Sun Air. Also look at many other re-made commuters....Good luck...get out while you can!

Baja.

 

[McNugget]

I was wondering that too... GE Commercial Aviation Services?

Yes, and the BR (Blue Ridge) tail numbers are former ACA/Independence aircraft.

 

[ironspud]

...it's not ASA or SkyWest's flying and jobs it's DAL's.

:beer:

Definitely belongs on the Barbie-jet board.:crying:

 

[airtime42]

I guess the skywest pilots like being bottom-feeders. Until they vote yes for a union they will always be one of the scum sucker carriers

 

[Lowrider717]

Unless the pilots at both carriers get together and act as one group, this will be just another Mesa/CC Air debacle.

 

[hoover]

I guess the skywest pilots like being bottom-feeders. Until they vote yes for a union they will always be one of the scum sucker carriers

You're so right. Look at all the good that unions have done at companies like Alaska, American, Continental, Delta, United, and USAir. No concessions, furloughs, bankruptices, cancelled pensions or lost flying there. Keep up the good work.

The reason SKW is getting ASA's flying is because Delta put it up for bid in a vain attemt to gain what will amount to minimal cost savings in the long run. So you should direct your anger and frustration at Delta, not SKW.

It's amazing the lengths that management will go to avoid having to pass the cost of doing business along to the customer.

 

[Noserider76]

The best thing for the profession would be for DL, NW, UA, AA, CO,and US Airways pilots to stand together and take back all flying 70 seats and above. We have allowed too many great paying jobs to be outsourced to the lowest bidder which hurts everyone in the long run. Flying 70-90 passenger jets should not be an entry level position paying $19.00/hr.

 

[Going2Baja]

I agree Noserider....but while we're at it make it 50+ seats. BTW - do you prefer a 9'0 or 9'6?

Baja.

 

[Noserider76]

I agree Noserider....but while we're at it make it 50+ seats. BTW - do you prefer a 9'0 or 9'6?

Baja.

9-0 Stewart LSP is my weapon of choice. No disrespect intended in my previous post to any talented, hardworking aviators out there. This profession is in a death spiral and something needs to be done.