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Skank said:
Not trying to start a heated debate or anything, just trying to understand.... let's say that the pilots didn't want this TA, but managment really really did even though it would mean an end to the lovefest between employees and management.... Could Skywest management impose the TA or do the pilots actually have some legal clout to prevent this? (I'm not asking if Skywest would do this...just if they could) Do you guys have a scope section in your contract? Are new airframes addressed? Just curious....
I am a skywest pilot , and yes this TA is crap. Sure it's only 18 months, a big positive, unless you think a littlte outside the box. Every pilot who works here knows there is a union drive going on. If you look at the rules of the NMB, when a union is voted in, the CURRENT rates become the letter of the law and cannot be changed without negotiations. Negotiations, which we all know would take years if a union is voted in. All the while we are flying 70 and 90 seat airplanes at CURRENT 50 seat RJ rates. True, our 50 seat RJ rates are currently higher than Eagle, Pinnacle, Air Whiskey, ACA, and Mesa. However, there is no promise we will get a raise in the 70 and 90 seat aircraft in 18 months.
Hence, a very possible scenario which the intellects in SGU have already palyed out. First, we vote for this TA because NOBODY is taking pay cuts, and everyone else is. (That's how this TA is being sold) In 18 months, the industry has recoverd slightly, and UAL has us flying 70's (maybe 90's) all over the place. Skywest pilots salivate because we know our contract is up for re-negotiations when all these 70's begin to get into full swing. Management says hell no to raises! There is nothing in the TA which says they must give us raises in 18 months. WE say oh yea, and vote in our big bad union-FINALLY! The catch, all the pilots who sold their souls "just to get the planes on the property" realize SGU outsmarted us. WE are stuck at these crap 70 and 90 seat rates while we take 2 years to negotiate new ones. Sure, we will have nice 50 seat rates, but in the four years this scenario plays out management makes money hand over fist as we cancel all future 50 seat orders, and are now operating the largest fleet of 70's at the lowest price out there.
For all the pilots who just want to get the planes on the property, think long and hard about it. WE are setting a very dangerous precedent that will come back to haunt us.
Hence, a very possible scenario which the intellects in SGU have already palyed out. First, we vote for this TA because NOBODY is taking pay cuts, and everyone else is. (That's how this TA is being sold) In 18 months, the industry has recoverd slightly, and UAL has us flying 70's (maybe 90's) all over the place. Skywest pilots salivate because we know our contract is up for re-negotiations when all these 70's begin to get into full swing. Management says hell no to raises! There is nothing in the TA which says they must give us raises in 18 months. WE say oh yea, and vote in our big bad union-FINALLY! The catch, all the pilots who sold their souls "just to get the planes on the property" realize SGU outsmarted us. WE are stuck at these crap 70 and 90 seat rates while we take 2 years to negotiate new ones. Sure, we will have nice 50 seat rates, but in the four years this scenario plays out management makes money hand over fist as we cancel all future 50 seat orders, and are now operating the largest fleet of 70's at the lowest price out there.
For all the pilots who just want to get the planes on the property, think long and hard about it. WE are setting a very dangerous precedent that will come back to haunt us.
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I would also like to defend our "TA" at Skywest.
First, I would prefer to see raises in the 50 seat jet, an additional 20 percent for the 70-seater and say an extra 10 percent for the 90 seat RJ. Many would be correct in saying that this would be a fair and reasonable agreement - good for the pilots, good for Skywest, and good for our industry. However, these are not normal times.
Part of the problem with our industry in turmoil and United in bankruptcy is that current United Express carriers must "bid" for future flying while additional non United Express regionals also bid for that same flying that a bankrupcy judge will decide. This obviously means Skywest must be competative including our pilot pay rates.
This is why I think our TA at Skywest is as good as could be expected considering current conditions. If Skywest is awarded future United Express flying, we will have the highest pay rates amoung airlines (Skywest, ACA, Air Wisc, Chataqua, Mesa, ect.) competing for this flying-although I'm not sure about ACA. For example, compared with Air Wisc., our 50 seat captains will make between 3 and 4 dollars more per hour and our F.O.s will also get a couple dollars more. In the 70 seat jet, our F.O.s still make the same amount more and our captains make about 50 cents less. It seems too good to be true with so much at stake-what is the catch?
If we approve this new TA, 70 and 90 seat RJs will be flown at 50 seat rates so no pilot has to take a pay cut and will continue to get yearly raises. Like it was said above, we can only fly 70 seat RJs and still ba a Delta connection. So, for the next 18 months, I will gladly vote "yes" and hope for a much better industry a year and a half from now when we all will be looking at a better future.
Finally, I just think that the common pay rates for 50, 70, and (90?) seat jets is simply a new way to control our costs and disrupt our pilots lives the least. I do not believe we are "racing to the bottom" and I don't think it's an unreasonable agreement.
First, I would prefer to see raises in the 50 seat jet, an additional 20 percent for the 70-seater and say an extra 10 percent for the 90 seat RJ. Many would be correct in saying that this would be a fair and reasonable agreement - good for the pilots, good for Skywest, and good for our industry. However, these are not normal times.
Part of the problem with our industry in turmoil and United in bankruptcy is that current United Express carriers must "bid" for future flying while additional non United Express regionals also bid for that same flying that a bankrupcy judge will decide. This obviously means Skywest must be competative including our pilot pay rates.
This is why I think our TA at Skywest is as good as could be expected considering current conditions. If Skywest is awarded future United Express flying, we will have the highest pay rates amoung airlines (Skywest, ACA, Air Wisc, Chataqua, Mesa, ect.) competing for this flying-although I'm not sure about ACA. For example, compared with Air Wisc., our 50 seat captains will make between 3 and 4 dollars more per hour and our F.O.s will also get a couple dollars more. In the 70 seat jet, our F.O.s still make the same amount more and our captains make about 50 cents less. It seems too good to be true with so much at stake-what is the catch?
If we approve this new TA, 70 and 90 seat RJs will be flown at 50 seat rates so no pilot has to take a pay cut and will continue to get yearly raises. Like it was said above, we can only fly 70 seat RJs and still ba a Delta connection. So, for the next 18 months, I will gladly vote "yes" and hope for a much better industry a year and a half from now when we all will be looking at a better future.
Finally, I just think that the common pay rates for 50, 70, and (90?) seat jets is simply a new way to control our costs and disrupt our pilots lives the least. I do not believe we are "racing to the bottom" and I don't think it's an unreasonable agreement.
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There is no reason to vote in favor of this TA, If we do we are setting ourselfs up for big problems 18 months from now. Vote NO, we keep the same rates we have and would have had in the new TA, when managment makes an order for 70"s then lets talk pay. They dont need a pay scale to figure out whether we can operate larger AC our not. The 100+ seat rate is just a dangling carrot and should not even be in the package. Lets not get locked into a precendent setting pay scale before the order is placed!!!
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Man alive, I always get slammed when I bring up a topic I AM INTERESTED IN. Can't I do that? Oh wait, I don't fly for a regional, so I can't go on this board, right? Whatever. I guess I don't know anybody at any regional or have questions about any other airline. Whatever.
Midlifecrisis,
Easy there chief. I like your quote:
) Nobody's business but the pilots at SkyWest, certainly not the likes of General Lee (dude, don't you have anything else to do with your time than haunt the Regionals Board? Highest pay to the last day man, whatever) or anyone else who is not a SkyWest pilot.
Come on dude, you have got to be kidding me? You guys have your own forum, right? So nobody else can talk about Skywest on any other forum? Yeah, ok. You just don't like it that your little secret was leaked. I brought up this discussion after talking about it with a Skywest friend, and I thought it was ridiculous. Don't blame me, our guys at Delta are keeping UP the payscales. Even if we do take a pay cut coming up here, we will still be paid A LOT more than the others, which is good---so they can shoot for that payscale in 5-6 years. Am I haunting the Regional Board? So, according to you I cannot bring up subjects and ask questions at anytime? Sure, whatever, yeah ok.
Windycity,
I think you are correct about your management at SGU. From what I have heard from my friend you do have a pretty good relationship with your management, and I wish we had the same with Leo and company at Delta. But, it is a little strange that they didn't even give you a $5 an hour raise or anything---for a plane that could have 49 more seats (up to 99 seats total). And they want to dangle the carrot of 100-159 seat aircraft without even an order. It just seems sneaky. And how about a promise of wage increases after 18 months, instead of a "review"? Sure, the economy may still be in the tubes, or maybe it will take 2 more years to negotiate. Yes, they may know that you might get a union like ALPA if they do not, but that may take awhile too. But, I see people taking the offer because it promises growth and upgrades for all of the FO's and the junior Capt's will get lines etc.
Anaconda,
Every Delta pilot is not happy with Comair and the MEC Chair's position on not helping the Delta furloughs without the senority resignation. I try to leave it out of other subjects, but sometimes it just slips out.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Midlifecrisis,
Easy there chief. I like your quote:
) Nobody's business but the pilots at SkyWest, certainly not the likes of General Lee (dude, don't you have anything else to do with your time than haunt the Regionals Board? Highest pay to the last day man, whatever) or anyone else who is not a SkyWest pilot.
Come on dude, you have got to be kidding me? You guys have your own forum, right? So nobody else can talk about Skywest on any other forum? Yeah, ok. You just don't like it that your little secret was leaked. I brought up this discussion after talking about it with a Skywest friend, and I thought it was ridiculous. Don't blame me, our guys at Delta are keeping UP the payscales. Even if we do take a pay cut coming up here, we will still be paid A LOT more than the others, which is good---so they can shoot for that payscale in 5-6 years. Am I haunting the Regional Board? So, according to you I cannot bring up subjects and ask questions at anytime? Sure, whatever, yeah ok.
Windycity,
I think you are correct about your management at SGU. From what I have heard from my friend you do have a pretty good relationship with your management, and I wish we had the same with Leo and company at Delta. But, it is a little strange that they didn't even give you a $5 an hour raise or anything---for a plane that could have 49 more seats (up to 99 seats total). And they want to dangle the carrot of 100-159 seat aircraft without even an order. It just seems sneaky. And how about a promise of wage increases after 18 months, instead of a "review"? Sure, the economy may still be in the tubes, or maybe it will take 2 more years to negotiate. Yes, they may know that you might get a union like ALPA if they do not, but that may take awhile too. But, I see people taking the offer because it promises growth and upgrades for all of the FO's and the junior Capt's will get lines etc.
Anaconda,
Every Delta pilot is not happy with Comair and the MEC Chair's position on not helping the Delta furloughs without the senority resignation. I try to leave it out of other subjects, but sometimes it just slips out.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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FWIW
For what it's worth, the contract does include ~3% raise per seat inJuly. What used to be both a contract signing date raise, along with an anniversary raise, has been changed to reflect the single raise this summer. Somebody mentioned "at least" getting an extra dollar---for most the 3% will be more than that. Jury is seemingly 50/50 on love/hate it.
For what it's worth, the contract does include ~3% raise per seat inJuly. What used to be both a contract signing date raise, along with an anniversary raise, has been changed to reflect the single raise this summer. Somebody mentioned "at least" getting an extra dollar---for most the 3% will be more than that. Jury is seemingly 50/50 on love/hate it.
Quit slammin' the General...
Why are you guys slamming General Lee on this topic? He brings up a great point - Skywest wants to lower the bar for pay like Mesa and Chit-Talk. Shouldn't that be of interest to others? Well shouldn't it? Huh??????????????? He brought it up - and nobody else did...
Windy City and Trip make excellent points about the crap TA - and they are Skywest pilots. They have a right to be outraged...
So, if you guys want to eventually fly for a major someday on the horizon, don't count on it. Why? Because the regionals will be sooooooooo cheap they will operate all trips under 1,000 miles for the majors. Complete outsourcing because of the deals Mesa and (soon) Skywest have made. The economic case will be too COMPELLING to ignore... Yeah, you guys will have ample opportunity to fly thousands of CRJs all around the country while General Lee and his fellow Deltoids are relegated to his 767 flying off to Hawaii and Istanbul (no more trips to Detroit)....
Don't bring the bar down any lower - or the entire industry will suffer...
Why are you guys slamming General Lee on this topic? He brings up a great point - Skywest wants to lower the bar for pay like Mesa and Chit-Talk. Shouldn't that be of interest to others? Well shouldn't it? Huh??????????????? He brought it up - and nobody else did...
Windy City and Trip make excellent points about the crap TA - and they are Skywest pilots. They have a right to be outraged...
So, if you guys want to eventually fly for a major someday on the horizon, don't count on it. Why? Because the regionals will be sooooooooo cheap they will operate all trips under 1,000 miles for the majors. Complete outsourcing because of the deals Mesa and (soon) Skywest have made. The economic case will be too COMPELLING to ignore... Yeah, you guys will have ample opportunity to fly thousands of CRJs all around the country while General Lee and his fellow Deltoids are relegated to his 767 flying off to Hawaii and Istanbul (no more trips to Detroit)....
Don't bring the bar down any lower - or the entire industry will suffer...
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Thanks Heavy set (I think??). I want to know when we will be flying the 767's FROM Hawaii TO Istanbul? Now that would be a great trip! Maybe Song could fly it?
My whole point is that there should be some more questions made to Skywest management and some more reassurances. If things get better in 18 months, how long will it take to get the new rates? Have it in writing... If they take more than 2 months--the pay automatically doubles. Something like that. Have it in writing!!! If you don't, and management comes up with some more excuses, you will be stuck with it, and all of the other regionals will be doing it too---and you won't be competitive, etc...
Bye Bye----General Lee
PS---I kind of liked Detroit---the Novi Hilton was a nice hotel
My whole point is that there should be some more questions made to Skywest management and some more reassurances. If things get better in 18 months, how long will it take to get the new rates? Have it in writing... If they take more than 2 months--the pay automatically doubles. Something like that. Have it in writing!!! If you don't, and management comes up with some more excuses, you will be stuck with it, and all of the other regionals will be doing it too---and you won't be competitive, etc...
Bye Bye----General Lee
PS---I kind of liked Detroit---the Novi Hilton was a nice hotel
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Ok, I'm a SkyWest pilot too and I don't like the smell of this TA. But geez, I'm getting so tired of the phrase 'lowering the bar'. Quit comparing us to Mesa and CHQ.
HeavySet...even if this thing passes, there isn't a paycut for the 50 seaters like at Mesa or Air Wisconsin. How is that called 'lowering the bar'? Ok, so some guys might have to fly 70 seaters for six months or so while a new agreement is negotiated. IF it passes. At least I'm trying to look at the pros and cons here. I actually agree with General Lee...something needs to be in writing about what happens after the 18 months.
Another thing, HeavySet....what's your take on my previous example of AWA and UPS crews flying at the same rates fleetwide? Are they 'lowering the bar' for the majors? Maybe it's comparing apples to oranges, but it seems like the same basic principle as this proposal. A 747 capt makes the same as a 727 capt...are you bashing those guys too? If not, then leave the SkyWest guys alone and go find someone else to harass.
HeavySet...even if this thing passes, there isn't a paycut for the 50 seaters like at Mesa or Air Wisconsin. How is that called 'lowering the bar'? Ok, so some guys might have to fly 70 seaters for six months or so while a new agreement is negotiated. IF it passes. At least I'm trying to look at the pros and cons here. I actually agree with General Lee...something needs to be in writing about what happens after the 18 months.
Another thing, HeavySet....what's your take on my previous example of AWA and UPS crews flying at the same rates fleetwide? Are they 'lowering the bar' for the majors? Maybe it's comparing apples to oranges, but it seems like the same basic principle as this proposal. A 747 capt makes the same as a 727 capt...are you bashing those guys too? If not, then leave the SkyWest guys alone and go find someone else to harass.
Hey, I don't want to harrass anyone. I am defending you, if you can believe it - and I don't even work for Skywest...
The big difference is that the pilots who fly for UPS, etc. make a lot more money than the regional pilots. Regional pilots are on the lower end of the pay scale while the major airline pilots make 3 times the money - that is the difference. Some big European airlines operate the same way - A320 Captains can make as much as 747-400 Captains at Lufthansa (the senior guys prefer to fly short-haul and sleep at home most nights) - but they make a lot of money and it doesn't matter as much.
For the regional pilots who ALREADY do not make that much, this means a lot.... Think about it, most regional pilots will spend a larger proportion of their careers in the regional business than those during the hyper-growth latter 90s. The majors won't be hiring in droves like they used to for at least 5-10 more years. That means that an extra $20K per year could be worth substantially more to regional pilots because it represents a high proportion of total income. If you are making $150K as a UPS 767 FO, then $20K doesn't mean as much to you (even though you would love to have it). Do you understand my point?
Skywest would be setting an unhealthy precedent by paying 50-seater wages for 70+seater flying. Sure, the alternative is a pay cut. But things will eventually get better and Skywest management will return to the table with offers of 70-seat flying at higher wages. It has no choice if it wants to grow and provide United with right-sized capacity.
Regional pilots are already paid a low wage. Why put a ceiling on your wages when things might get better in the next year or so? Wait 18 months and then MAYBE review the situation (not in writing)? Give me a break......
Good luck to all involved!
The big difference is that the pilots who fly for UPS, etc. make a lot more money than the regional pilots. Regional pilots are on the lower end of the pay scale while the major airline pilots make 3 times the money - that is the difference. Some big European airlines operate the same way - A320 Captains can make as much as 747-400 Captains at Lufthansa (the senior guys prefer to fly short-haul and sleep at home most nights) - but they make a lot of money and it doesn't matter as much.
For the regional pilots who ALREADY do not make that much, this means a lot.... Think about it, most regional pilots will spend a larger proportion of their careers in the regional business than those during the hyper-growth latter 90s. The majors won't be hiring in droves like they used to for at least 5-10 more years. That means that an extra $20K per year could be worth substantially more to regional pilots because it represents a high proportion of total income. If you are making $150K as a UPS 767 FO, then $20K doesn't mean as much to you (even though you would love to have it). Do you understand my point?
Skywest would be setting an unhealthy precedent by paying 50-seater wages for 70+seater flying. Sure, the alternative is a pay cut. But things will eventually get better and Skywest management will return to the table with offers of 70-seat flying at higher wages. It has no choice if it wants to grow and provide United with right-sized capacity.
Regional pilots are already paid a low wage. Why put a ceiling on your wages when things might get better in the next year or so? Wait 18 months and then MAYBE review the situation (not in writing)? Give me a break......
Good luck to all involved!
Maybe I've been spending too much time on reserve watching the History Channell about conspiracy theories and who shot Kennedy, but heres my take.
Come on guys, you actually believe our management team has only looked 18 months into the future and called it quits? There are some very bright people down there who have already played out the Pilot's scenario 18 months from now. If you think SGU only thinks 18 months into the future, you have your head up your a$$.
I've spelled it out on my last post. They WILL NOT give us raises in 18 months and practically dare us to do something about it. WE will have only two options, and they already know what they are. We can say oh well, and be the new Freedom of the industry, or option two, vote in a union. Neither option will get us a raise for at least two more years. Now this short term 18 month piece of gold just turned into a 4 year piece of crap. Remember, once the pay rate is in place, even with a union voted in, it becomes a contract. These rates will come back to haunt us big time. If they were planning on giving us a raise in 18 months, they would put it in writing. I could accept helping out the company for 18 months, but I won't sell my soul for empty promises.
As much as I may not like to admit it, Heavy Set and General LEE are dead on. This TA wil set a new low.
Come on guys, you actually believe our management team has only looked 18 months into the future and called it quits? There are some very bright people down there who have already played out the Pilot's scenario 18 months from now. If you think SGU only thinks 18 months into the future, you have your head up your a$$.
I've spelled it out on my last post. They WILL NOT give us raises in 18 months and practically dare us to do something about it. WE will have only two options, and they already know what they are. We can say oh well, and be the new Freedom of the industry, or option two, vote in a union. Neither option will get us a raise for at least two more years. Now this short term 18 month piece of gold just turned into a 4 year piece of crap. Remember, once the pay rate is in place, even with a union voted in, it becomes a contract. These rates will come back to haunt us big time. If they were planning on giving us a raise in 18 months, they would put it in writing. I could accept helping out the company for 18 months, but I won't sell my soul for empty promises.
As much as I may not like to admit it, Heavy Set and General LEE are dead on. This TA wil set a new low.
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Windycity,
You are right. I am also not making fun of you etc. because it hasn't happened yet. I am trying to warn you. I think growth is great, and the opportunity to fly larger RJ's would be fun. But, without something in writing about the length of time it would take to make that "review" is troubling. Like I said before---get something in writing that states that if something is not agreed upon within two months of the start of the "review"---then automatic double pay. That will get your management working on a better agreement, and hopefully times are better then. Without that, you guys will NOT get a raise because everyone else will follow in YOUR footsteps---and Mesa, Chitalk (for USair), and everyone else will have guys flying 90 seaters for 50 seat wages.
You see, I am not always a jerk. I actually care about other pilots, not only the Delta furloughs. (Now don't get all teary eyed on me now) (I still don't like the Comair MEC chair---that was for Anaconda)
Bye Bye--General Lee
You are right. I am also not making fun of you etc. because it hasn't happened yet. I am trying to warn you. I think growth is great, and the opportunity to fly larger RJ's would be fun. But, without something in writing about the length of time it would take to make that "review" is troubling. Like I said before---get something in writing that states that if something is not agreed upon within two months of the start of the "review"---then automatic double pay. That will get your management working on a better agreement, and hopefully times are better then. Without that, you guys will NOT get a raise because everyone else will follow in YOUR footsteps---and Mesa, Chitalk (for USair), and everyone else will have guys flying 90 seaters for 50 seat wages.
You see, I am not always a jerk. I actually care about other pilots, not only the Delta furloughs. (Now don't get all teary eyed on me now) (I still don't like the Comair MEC chair---that was for Anaconda)
Bye Bye--General Lee
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Hey,
I will not vote yes for this "TA", General etal are all spot on! This is just the old bait and switch con game. SKYW is still making money per the SEC filings. SGU does have a bunch of smart guys working there and the have the ability to play the pilot group like a finely tuned fiddle, and we all dance.
I will vote for this "TA" with a few minor adjustments 50-90 seat payscale @ 90 seat payscale and 100-149 seats @ Southwest scale. This is really just minor adjustments to the agreement as it stands.
Now if we can just get them to belly up to our Kool-Aid bar.
Later
PBR
I will not vote yes for this "TA", General etal are all spot on! This is just the old bait and switch con game. SKYW is still making money per the SEC filings. SGU does have a bunch of smart guys working there and the have the ability to play the pilot group like a finely tuned fiddle, and we all dance.
I will vote for this "TA" with a few minor adjustments 50-90 seat payscale @ 90 seat payscale and 100-149 seats @ Southwest scale. This is really just minor adjustments to the agreement as it stands.
Now if we can just get them to belly up to our Kool-Aid bar.
Later
PBR
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Thanks Maddog805, believe it or not I do not have only selfish thoughts. I want us all to do well, and I enjoy my job and want others to enjoy theirs. Just because I seem to be an advocate for the Delta Furloughs, doesn't mean I am blind to the other problems in this industry. Make sure you get everything you need in writing first---before you vote.
Bye Bye--General Lee
Bye Bye--General Lee
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After bouncing back and forth on this thing, I think I'm with the vote NO crowd. Here's the way I see it. The company will make more money operating 70 and 90 seat aircraft per departure than on the 50's. Therefore, the crews should be earning more money flying them. I have no problem with one scale, if it's at, say an average between a 50 and a 90 seat rate, but not this 50 seat pay for all 3 acft. This TA is all take and no give from mgt. Maybe they could have budged on the long call reserve, or maybe some better work rules, more guaranteed days off, etc etc. That kind of stuff wouldn't cost the company much and would certainly make a lot of reserves happy that continually get the screws each and every month.
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