SkyWest TA passes...

[mckpickle]

skyward posted:


You at XJet are in no position to throw stones at Skywest pilots, or anyone else for that matter. Your past TA's have never set an industry standard, they have been at the bottom end. Not to mention the ugly PFT your company had for so long. Skywest's new TA pays far better than your current one. It also pays better than every other regional except Comair.

You'd be very lucky to achieve Skywest's pay rates in your new contract, whenever that happens.

Sorry your wrong. The XJT contract was negotiated in 97-98. And at the time it took a 2 year ATR captain from 25/HR to 45/HR. FO went from 16/hr to 25/hr. So you are grossly incorrect. As a pilot group XJT has only had 2 contracts.

And you know what? WE VOTERD ONE TA DOWN. Have you?

 

[catIIIc]

Not to get into a pissing contest but $45 a hour for ATR CPT is not bad but our 2nd year EMB120 captains make $46. Everybody needs to stop yelling at each other. We will not see 70 seaters here at Skywest until summer of 2005 so we will only have a few months at the low pay scale. It is only for 18 months, a lot can happen in 18 months. Everybody just needs to settle down and remember this industry is all about luck, not anything about skill or my RJ is better then your RJ. We all fly airplanes planes, have the same ratings and gripes, and hope to make six figures and work less then half the month.

Keep the blue side up.

 

[FSB99]

It is only for 18 months, a lot can happen in 18 months.

you're right.. within 18 months, your management can make you believe that any increases in pay will destroy further growth.. and you'll probably believe them.. again...

 

[ACE]

"It is only for 18 months,...".

cattIIIc,
That is a very nieve statement. Your management got you!! Good luck to you.

 

[ArcticFlier]

Not that it matters, but here's the breakdown............763 (53.8%) voted for, 451(31.8%) voted against, and I love this part 204 (14.4%) didn't vote!!!!!!!! What the fuk over????!?!?!?!? You people that didn't vote................. oh, never mind.

I forget who said that it doesn't matter, we won't have the 70 seaters 'til the summer of 2005, read the release again. It says we will have 30 of them by the summer of 2005. That's a big difference. What's more important, in the short term, is when will we start taking deliveries!!????

One other thing.........those of you that think we need a union pronto...................why do I want to get locked into this POS for any longer than we already are?

I'm too #$%%#$$ pissed right now to go on.....................where's the beer?

AF

one of the 451

 

[FlyingDawg]

Does anyone have a link to the TA. I'm interested in the details. Thanks.

 

[surplus1]

The only thing that comes to mind at this point is

"Father forgive them for they know not what they do."

 

[nimtz]

skyward posted:


You at XJet are in no position to throw stones at Skywest pilots, or anyone else for that matter. Your past TA's have never set an industry standard, they have been at the bottom end. Not to mention the ugly PFT your company had for so long. Skywest's new TA pays far better than your current one. It also pays better than every other regional except Comair.

You'd be very lucky to achieve Skywest's pay rates in your new contract, whenever that happens.

First of all, while Xjet's current contract is sh*t, it was for many years one of the best amongst us burgoning regionals. It was not until Comair and Air Willy's new deals came along that are contract became inferior. Since Skywest pilots are at the willingness of management to keep pay even with their peers, you should thank those all of us who have worked to improve from the days where FO pay was 13/hour.

We inked our deal based on 97/98, which was far different time in this industry then 00/01. For you to compare the two is ignorance for what has been going on in the last few years. PFT has nothing to do with this arguement, so don't even bring it up. As McPickle has said our current rates we're drastic improvements over what the company offered in the beginning. FUNNY HOW SAYING NO CHANGES NEGOTIATIONS! Come talk to me after our new TA is signed then we'll see who's the lucky one.

Anyways, I will not let my contract expectations be detered by those spineless individuals that have taken concessions when there companies do not require them. The fact is your pilot group saw the growth carrot and basically dry humped it, a pathetic demonstration of stupidity towards this profession. To those of you who said no, I thank you, but I feel for you since a very bad precedent has been set with this deal. The rest of you are stupid and naive if you think in 18 months you will get new rates on the 70 seaters. Man that Utah Koolaid! Must be better then a cold one after a 14 hour duty day.

Bet you just can't wait to get your hands on that cool shiny 70 seat jet. Holy cow, they'll be two FA's, that's two times the chances of getting lucky! Who cares if I'm not being paid for the added revenue seat miles my labor is generating, I mean the thing can go right up to FL410!

 

[surplus1]

While I agree with what you wrote, do not overlook that SkyWest was not the first to rush to unneeded concessions.

It was Air Wisconsin that first gutted the best regional contract in the business, with the advice of none other than the ALPA. Additionally, ACA has a TA on the table, which is also being recommended by their ALPA National advisers and their MEC, which passed it unanimously.

I think the SkyWest pilots have made a very bad mistake, but they are certainly not alone in doing so.

 

[FSB99]

you're right, they're not alone in doing so.. unfortunately, they just added themselves to the list of those who failed at a chance to stop the insanity and be leaders among their peers.

 

[nimtz]

While I agree with what you wrote, do not overlook that SkyWest was not the first to rush to unneeded concessions.

It was Air Wisconsin that first gutted the best regional contract in the business, with the advice of none other than the ALPA. Additionally, ACA has a TA on the table, which is also being recommended by their ALPA National advisers and their MEC, which passed it unanimously.

I think the SkyWest pilots have made a very bad mistake, but they are certainly not alone in doing so.

Surplus, it wasn't my intention to single anybody out. I don't often agree with you, but your analysis is dead on with this issue. Skywest was my focus, because somebody brought my company into this and refered to us as bottom feeders when in fact we intend to help right this sinking profession. If that doesn't happen, then I'm outta here for corporate flying.

Anybody that takes concessions right now, unless they are staring down the BK judge is doing a disservice to our profession. Skywest did this for growth, not for economic necessity. With how inadequately we are all compensated for the revenue we produce, this is nothing more then sophisticated whoring.

Do you guys remember two years ago when we were all saying that the days of poverty at the regional level had to end? We realized that RJ changed the game and we had to stop the new B scale invasion amongst our ranks. We were all game to go get 100/hour for capt, real retirement, and real work rules. Comair started the ball rolling, but it has been grinded to a hault by those who have no respect for themselves.

Now many of us seem to be scared little boys who are afraid to stand-up for what this profession should be worth. If it is mainline flying then you should shoot for mainline pay! Does connecting markets like DFW-LAS or SLC-MCI really seem like flying that is done by Skywest because each is 'a long thin market that can't support mainline cost structure?'

Going backwards now, while the economy is shaking off its slump, does nothing but set us all back a decade. If you are all that happy with your job/lifestyle that you are willing to accept concessions on current regional pilot contracts, then I fear our respect level in the future will always be that of a bus driver.

 

[terryhfly]

"It was Air Wisconsin that first gutted the best regional contract in the business."

I don't know what you consider "gutted" but giving up a few dollars a month is not gutted to me. We still have better work rules then some bigger national airlines and most regional airlines.

This whole mess was started long, long ago. Mesa, Skywest, AWAC and the other national and regional airlines did not cause the downturn in the economy but everyone here is blaming them for it.

terryhflyer

 

[megreene]

To all the Skywest guys:


Thanks guys, you really help everyone at CHQ out. Why pilots will always accept the idea that what they do is not worth what they are paid for is a mystery to me. I tend to think that when someone who has the lives of others in their hands daily, that paycuts should not really be an issue. But I guess others with lesser convictions feel that their services are for sale to the lowest bidder. Good job guys! You just did the industry a great disservice.

CHQ FO.

...now where is that beer...

 

[terryhfly]

It is not SkyWest's job to help out CHQ. It's CHQ's job to help CHQ. That's the way it is and always will be. If SkyWest pilots would have voted the TA down do you think that CHQ management would have caved into your demands or come to you with a better proposal?

It would be great if all the airline pilot groups would get together and come up with a min. contract that everyone could stomach and vote yes to. That will never happen. So, it is every airline group for themselves. It sucks. It's getting old hearing that every new TA passed is lowering the bar. Sh_t happens and it happens to pilots a lot.

terryhflyer

 

[Skull-One]

It's the job of everyone in this industry to help this industry, from SkyWest to CHQ to Comair.

Whatever happened to professional pride or just simple dignity?