SkyWest TA passes...

[Rogue5]

Professionalism please, people.

Remember: 451 pilots voted no...

 

[captjim]

Remember: 451 pilots voted no...

And the rest aren't so bright!

 

[General Lee]

Kingairkiddo,

I know the 70 seaters at Skywest will not be flying the Delta side, rather the United side.

I am not going to continue to rub the salt in your wounds, but I am just dissapointed. I just have a feeling this will start a new trend in the regional business.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Skyward]

Originally posted by skootertrash

Q. What do MESA and SKYWEST have in common.


A. apparently NOTHING

I would say apparently a lot. Both are happily undercutting the rest of us. In SkyWest’s case it seems to have been done out of shear ignorance, they where getting the plane’s no matter what. Now they are just going to fly them for cheaper than everyone else.

Originally posted by Rogue5

Professionalism please, people.

You wouldn't have to plead for professionalism from others if your pliot group wouldn't have just f@cked us all. If SkyWest pilots want to be treated like professional pilots you need to ack like professionals. For god sakes get a union on property, have management lead you around by the nose is embarrassing for the rest of us to watch!

 

[surplus1]

Actually, I don't think they'll actually be able to fly larger airplanes for less money due to Delta scope. My understanding is that they simply froze their pay rates for 18 months without any work rule changes...seems relatively benign when compared with what ACA and AWAC have against them.

I've certainly been wrong before, though...

KingAirKiddo, et al,

I don't want to give you (or other young pilots) a hard time and I'm not picking on you personally. I'm just using what you said as an opportunity to try to make a point. Please, at least try to learn from this and hopefully in the future you can avoid repeating the same mistakes.

The ONLY people that believe that the Delta PWA can prevent SkyWest from operating larger aircraft for UAL is a few misinformed and mostly junior Delta pilots. United's scope will govern SkyWest operations for UAL, not Delta scope.

The fact that you think they "simply froze their pay rates for 18 months" further demonstrates your naivete and theirs. SkyWest is a non-union airline. Even if they had a union, especially the union that you have, it will take years for them to change the pay structure for their 70-seat aircraft. Years, not 18 months.

Sure they'll get some increases on the 50-seat rates to which they have agreed, but that's it. This agreement locks in that single rate for up to 99 seats, for the foreseable future. It will take a lot more than wishful thinking to undo it. If this agreement is an indication of the quality of leadership available to SkyWest pilots (and it is). that "lot more" just isn't there.

Additionally, it will not only shaft the SKYW, ARW and ACA pilots, it will also shaft the pilots of every airline that already operates this equipment and undermine the negotiations at Mesaba, COEX, ASA and CHQ.

This mornings early announcement of the UAL/SKYW "new deal" makes it patently clear or should, that the "passing" of this TA had absolutely nothing to do with "saving the UAL deal." They've been duped totally, fooled completely.

The only sad part of all this is the fact that the other two UAX feeders have (ARW), and I predict will (ACA), be suckered in to concessions by their management AND their "union" as well.

The fact is that these concessionary agreements at ARW, SKYW, and I predict ACA to come, are being voted into existence by inexperienced junior pilots who know a whole lot about very little and won't listen to the advise of the experienced members of their groups, or are burdened by uniformed senior pilots whose apathy is reflected in their decision making.

You're all so busy dreaming about your future major airline job, which isn't going to happen for a very long time, that you're wearing blindfolds, while simultaneously contributing to a down slide in compensation that will make your "dream job" little different from the one you have right now.

The level of folly, particularly among regional pilot leaders, is incredible and operates as if the industry had no history. Most ironic is that officials of your national union, all of whom know better, are actually recommending these unnecessary agreements to union members. One wonders as to what their agenda might be.

I can forgive the inexperience of our youg folks rather easily and I do, but there is no excuse for what those who have a responsibility to represent and who should know better are doing.

I give up on the senior dummies, but I appeal to you and other young people in the early years of your careers, to educate yourselves on the inner workings of the industry that you have chosen, relinquish apathy, get involved with your pilot group and at least attempt to maintain if not improve the profession you've chosen. There's a lot more to this than airplane driving at work, a uniform that impresses some chicks and video games and TV off duty.

You don't owe me anything, but you sure owe yourselves a whole lot better than what is happening now.

Best wishes.

 

[roadrunner]

XJet Boy,

Yeah, we should really vote a union on property. I see that your union has done great things for YOUR pilot group. How long have you had guys on furlough? How many mainline pilots push you DOWN YOUR OWN SENIORITY LIST every month?

 

[rightrudder]

skyward posted:

I would say apparently a lot. Both are happily undercutting the rest of us. In SkyWest’s case it seems to have been done out of shear ignorance, they where getting the plane’s no matter what. Now they are just going to fly them for cheaper than everyone else.

You at XJet are in no position to throw stones at Skywest pilots, or anyone else for that matter. Your past TA's have never set an industry standard, they have been at the bottom end. Not to mention the ugly PFT your company had for so long. Skywest's new TA pays far better than your current one. It also pays better than every other regional except Comair.

You'd be very lucky to achieve Skywest's pay rates in your new contract, whenever that happens.

 

[Tatoosh65]

Duped, I have to agree..

 

[General Lee]

Surplus1 is correct. But, I don't think everyone voted for it, and I bet my prediction on the "voting pie" was correct. I predicted that most of the FO's would vote for it because they wanted immediate upgrades which would boost their current FO pay to Capt pay. Junior Capt's might vote YES to increase the number of lines and enhance their lifestyles. And my prediction of mid to senior level Capt's voting NO was pretty close---with 470 or so NO votes. Management knew this all along. Delta tried that with past contract negotiations----they would offer a little higher pay to aircraft types with more pilots, and lower for the others. They thought that would sway the vote.

I wonder if this TA will eventually affect the new Jetblue rates on the EMB-190? It probably will.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Jeepman]

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What he said!

Time for us to print some ICN bag routing tags. If you Skywest guys take a dump in one of our bases you had better take your bags in the crapper with you. Otherwise you can start looking for your luggage in Seoul, ROK.

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You must work for ASA. In that case I would like to ad congrats for having ONE OF THE WORST ON TIME PERFORMACE for airlines. And for all the other airlines going through an ASA run base PUT YOUR BAGS IN THE A/C EVERY TIME because has the ASA is the ground crew without a clue!!!

Hey, I don't like our contract either but let's not stoop to low shall we. As I understand it you guys are getting a pay raise so QUIT WHINING!!!

 

[Skull-One]

Looks like CHQ's attempt to get a decent contract just took a huge hit.

I don't like facing the pointy end of a cannon alone, but I'm a Texan and my forebears did it at the Alamo and San Jacinto.

This industry SUCKS....

 

[Russ]

ASA can't even get the bags from DFW to ICT let alone to the bag cart for icn. Remember you now come into SLC. Our rampers are pretty darn good at misplacing bags. Sometime its intentional, sometimes not.

Nope, we the 400 plus who voted no are not happy. It could be a good thing in the long run however. The timing of the UA announcement shows that deal was already completed. Many voted for the contract thinking we were doing so to keep UA flying. Management would have been advised to wait a spell before announcing the UA deal. Many I imagine feel the same sense of betrayel I do. In 18 months the best we can hope for is a token raise. Perhaps then people will realize we need a union.

 

[ACE]

I think your pilots were ill informed. Did your pilots have informational sessions presented by the pilots? or were the sessions just presented by management? ALPA may not be the greatest when it comes to representing regionals, but they are a necessary evil. Every regional needs a strong in house leadership amongest its pilot group. I give kudos to the Comair MEC for rallying us together and keeping us informed. I know a lot of pilots, more so from Delta, do not like JC Lawson, but he definetly does the job we elected him for. Its time for you Skywest pilots to get a union. The downward spiral continues.....ACA its your turn.

 

[skootertrash]

I would say apparently a lot. Both are happily undercutting the rest of us. In SkyWest’s case it seems to have been done out of shear ignorance, they where getting the plane’s no matter what. Now they are just going to fly them for cheaper than everyone else.





You wouldn't have to plead for professionalism from others if your pliot group wouldn't have just f@cked us all. If SkyWest pilots want to be treated like professional pilots you need to ack like professionals. For god sakes get a union on property, have management lead you around by the nose is embarrassing for the rest of us to watch!

DUDE i totally screwed that post up!!!!!!!! what I meant was they have EVERYTHING IN COMMON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[skootertrash]

Something I just thought of.


WHO COUNTS THE BALLOTS?

They seemed sure enough that the contract was going to pass to sign the UAL deal. Wonder how?