SkyWest showing videos of crippled folks and.......

[Draginass]

Did everyone break out laughing when the management stooge read that ridiculous piece of tripe?

Things must be getting pretty bad at Skywest for them to resort to this kind of juvenile mindless crap.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What is really sick is money that OO pilots make for OO is used to fund dues to the RAA. The RAA in turn goes to CapHill and lobbies Congress against the OO pilots.

Wage slavery at its best. Paying with your hard work and effort for the very shackles that prevent you from controlling your own profession.

This is some funny excrament here..."Wage slavery at its best"...Yeah listen to Rez....Those MESA pilots and Trans States pilots are so much better off with ALPA...

There are many Skywest pilots that strive to be professional everyday, but the massive lead weight that is SGU will hold them back, until they collective decide to be their own autonomous group.

They can never be professionals until they give Herndon 2% of their pay...Rez, with ALPA cheerleaders like you, ALPA will continue to be looked down upon by the majority of us who can actually think for ourselves

Joe - 16 year ALPA member

 

[Ski Bum]

This is some funny excrament here..."Wage slavery at its best"...Yeah listen to Rez....Those MESA pilots and Trans States pilots are so much better off with ALPA...

I am not trying to bash Mesa or Trans States, but let's be realistic...SkyWest is a different company (not saying better or worse) than those 2. In fact, almost every airline in the country varies in culture, financial position, number of aircraft, number of employees, values, and the way they conduct business. Just because they both might have some fee for departure regional business doesn't make them the same.

That can also be said for ALPA. Although ALPA operates within a similar framework, the MEC and members at ASA have different goals than the MEC and members at Trans States, who both have different goals than the MEC and members at FedEx. ALPA is different at each airline because it is the pilots at each airline that run it.

I am not saying you can't have a legitimate beef with ALPA, but quit the oversimplified comparisons of "Trans States/Mesa got screwed by their management and they are ALPA so ALPA sucks and SkyWest would get screwed too" banter. SkyWest is different. Maybe we get screwed, maybe we already are, maybe we won't...nobody knows. I do know; however, that just because something happened at one company under a specific set of circumstances does not mean that it will happen again at a different company under a different set of circumstances.

I also know that ASA just got PBS and in a year when everybody figures out how to use it I would bet you that your PBS will be better than our PBS at SkyWest. I am not saying it will be perfect, just better than ours. The reason - you have a say in your PBS because of your union.

 

[Ski Bum]

Who is "us"?

The OO Student Council speaks for OO pilots. But not really.

Management does. And in Wash DC, OO management has authorized Roger Cohen, RAA to speak for OO pilots on all govt policy and CFR including Part 121.

What is really sick is money that OO pilots make for OO is used to fund dues to the RAA. The RAA in turn goes to CapHill and lobbies Congress against the OO pilots.

This can be said for almost every airline that has costs associated with belonging to a trade organization. Whether it is the ATA or RAA most airlines use "money" to pay an organization to represent the company and sometimes that is in contradiction to the best interest of the pilots. According to the RAA Annual Report, 32 regional airlines (union and non-union) take the money that was made by their workers and pay dues to the RAA to speak on behalf of the company.

There are many Skywest pilots that strive to be professional everyday, but the massive lead weight that is SGU will hold them back, until they collective decide to be their own autonomous group.

I think it is important to differentiate between being professional and advancing the profession. You do not need to belong to an autonomous group to be a professional. In many cases you do need to belong to one to have representation and advance the profession.

 

[propjob27]

Goo:

Quit Skyweird in '03. Recently received a txt from a bud still there about this "brainwashing class", as he put it.

Thanks for posting the actual creed, that **** really cracked me up. However, it's only funny because I'm reading it as a mildly interested 3rd party. I'd be puking instead of laughing if Brad Holt was standing in front of the class with his jerry-curl looking mullet forcing us all to recite it.

Has anyone flatly refused to attend the class? I'd imagine I would, based on the premise that my days off are my days off, and I'm unable to sacrifice them. I'd make them schedule a class in lieu of one of my trips or reserve days.

 

[nimtz]

ALL RIGHT HERE IS THE WHOLE CREED:


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SkyWest First Officer's Creed

No one is more professional than I. I am a First Officer - a member of the flight crew whose purpose is to keep my passengers, crew, and airplane safe.

My decisions are the difference between life and death for both my passengers and my company.

I am the master of my emotions. No one controls my mood but me.

I will conduct myself to bring credit to myself, my Company and my profession at all times.

I will not compromise my integrity or safety for any reason.

I am a leader. I am a professional. I am a First Officer.


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If this is true, this is the biggest pile of stinking cr@p airline HR unit has ever produced. Too bad there wasn't a group hug included. Perhaps Management should recommend taking 'a free stress test' from those nice people you see outside subway stations.

 

[Max Powers]

Yea McDonald's actually does the same thing with their in store employees. Management types are aware that if customers find their burger is made by homey-d with his pants around his knees and greasy hair 3 feet long that their customers will demand something be done to bring in 'better' employees. So, to avoid that whole mess McDonald's teaches homey-d and all of its employees that they should come to work with your uniform clean and pressed, and always maintain a professional appearance.

They still make minimum wage.

EXACTLY!!!!!! Especially the last statement on minimum wage.

I predict skywest will be ALPA in less than 2 years.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Right, and the people in southern IL are completely normal.

S imple
I nbred
U ndergraduates

Tou-f'n-che.

 

[urflyingme?!]

I'm thinking about memorizing the creed and standing up drunk as a skunk in a crowded bar with lots of crews and shouting it.

 

[Dubya]

ALL RIGHT HERE IS THE WHOLE CREED:


-----------------------------------------


SkyWest First Officer's Creed

No one is more professional than I. I am a First Officer - a member of the flight crew whose purpose is to keep my passengers, crew, and airplane safe.

My decisions are the difference between life and death for both my passengers and my company.

I am the master of my emotions. No one controls my mood but me.

I will conduct myself to bring credit to myself, my Company and my profession at all times.

I will not compromise my integrity or safety for any reason.

I am a leader. I am a professional. I am a First Officer.


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I just barfed on the keyboard

Hey goo...why don't you recite the Mr. Mom Creed for us all.

Mr. Mom Creed


No man is more inferior than I. I am a Mr. Mom- a member of the family who's purpose is to wash dishes, change diapers, and let my wife bring home the bacon.

My decisions are the difference between wearing uniform pants and an apron.

I am the master of the wash machine. No one controls the laundry but me.

I will conduct myself to bring credit to women, Oprah, and The View at all times.

I will totally compromise my integrity so that I may stay home and let my wife wear the pants.

I am a follower. I am lazy. I am a Mr. Mom.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:uke:

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This can be said for almost every airline that has costs associated with belonging to a trade organization. Whether it is the ATA or RAA most airlines use "money" to pay an organization to represent the company and sometimes that is in contradiction to the best interest of the pilots. According to the RAA Annual Report, 32 regional airlines (union and non-union) take the money that was made by their workers and pay dues to the RAA to speak on behalf of the company.

Agreed, however, most of those regionals have their own representation to counter what the RAA says in testimony. The Skywest pilots do not. Therefore Roger Cohen speaks for Skywest pilots.

I think it is important to differentiate between being professional and advancing the profession. You do not need to belong to an autonomous group to be a professional. In many cases you do need to belong to one to have representation and advance the profession.

Valid however, professionalism is putting aside ones own interest and looking out for the good of the public. This includes a pilots personal comfort and gain as well as a few extra dollars that the company wants.

However, when a Skywest pilots makes the professional effort and the company says no we want a few extra dollars, what recourse does the pilot have? Threatened with discipline up to and including termination, the professional wanna be does as he is told. It is a sad state, because the OO pilots have had many chances to obtain professional status for themselves and they have simply chosen to reject.

Recall... professionalism is a choice.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Rez, you are the poster child for everything wrong with ALPA. You are always right. You know better than everyone. Everyone who disagrees with you is ________. [stupid, naive, brainwashed, etc...] I'd guess that you have single handedly turned more SkyWest pilots against ALPA with your FI ramblings than any anti union manager over there. Just like Tim Martins, Rez IS ALPA!

Please stop. You're not doing us any favors. Really.

 

[Dubya]

Rez, you are the poster child for everything wrong with ALPA. You are always right. You know better than everyone. Everyone who disagrees with you is ________. [stupid, naive, brainwashed, etc...] I'd guess that you have single handedly turned more SkyWest pilots against ALPA with your FI ramblings than any anti union manager over there. Just like Tim Martins, Rez IS ALPA!

Please stop. You're not doing us any favors. Really.

POTY. Chicken F-ing dinner.

Bob, tell her what she's won.

 

[Ski Bum]

Agreed, however, most of those regionals have their own representation to counter what the RAA says in testimony. The Skywest pilots do not. Therefore Roger Cohen speaks for Skywest pilots.

I agree with you, because we do not have a voice, the RAA could be interpreted as our voice.

Valid however, professionalism is putting aside ones own interest and looking out for the good of the public. This includes a pilots personal comfort and gain as well as a few extra dollars that the company wants.

However, when a Skywest pilots makes the professional effort and the company says no we want a few extra dollars, what recourse does the pilot have? Threatened with discipline up to and including termination, the professional wanna be does as he is told. It is a sad state, because the OO pilots have had many chances to obtain professional status for themselves and they have simply chosen to reject.

If you have to be a member of a union to obtain professional status then are Doctors professionals? Lawyers? Engineers? Financial Analysts? They must not be because they haven't unionized and "obtained professional status." This thread started because of a well intentioned, but poorly executed, class at SkyWest. This class and the professionalism of our pilot group (which is how well we do our job) have nothing to do with whether or not we want to join a union.

The situation you described with our pilot group having no recourse is absolutely correct, but it has no bearing on our professionalism. If SkyWest cut our pay by 10% (maybe I shouldn't give them any ideas), I wouldn't go out and do 10% less work, or do a 90% good job. I would still be a professional and do the job to the best of my ability (while looking for a job that paid more). Again, I think you are speaking to "advancing the profession" which for some reason that escapes my comprehension, my colleagues have refused to do for decades.

Recall... professionalism is a choice.

Yes it is a choice, a choice in one's own personal conduct while performing duties associated with their profession. It is not a choice in how you get compensated, how long your duty day can be, or what the reserve rules are, or as is the case at SkyWest, not having a choice in any of those things.

 

[vtech]

Those posting on here who are berating the presentation are the same people who are being marginalized by the majority of pilots with whom you work unless you're on a terminal VLA program like Inthegoo. If you're him then you haven't worked in a long, long time. To those who continue with your negative posts, your desperation is apparent. Your negativity does nothing but push you into an isolated position. Not sure what satisfaction you get out of your unbridled and continuing negativity. Good luck with that, though. You are part of a shrinking minority.

 

[nimtz]

Those posting on here who are berating the presentation are the same people who are being marginalized by the majority of pilots with whom you work unless you're on a terminal VLA program like Inthegoo. If you're him then you haven't worked in a long, long time. To those who continue with your negative posts, your desperation is apparent. Your negativity does nothing but push you into an isolated position. Not sure what satisfaction you get out of your unbridled and continuing negativity. Good luck with that, though. You are part of a shrinking minority.

If the majority turn into tea bags like u that are impressed by this 'presentation', then I'll gladly leave my mainline job behind. I'm sure you'll undercut me out soon enough w/ the joy of being a crewmember on your side. I have enough confidence in myself and respect for those who trained me to prevent me from stating a creed on my day off while fighting back tears like u.

 

[Draginass]

How about this one:

No one is more pathetic than I. I am a copilot - a just barely qualified and grossly underpaid member of the commuter flight crew whose purpose is to make money for the owners of the company.

Since I don't really make any decisions because I'm not the captain, so it just doesn't matter.

I am pissed off all the time. The company tries to manipulate my emotions through lame brainwashing courses and facist-like creed recitation.

I will conduct myself to just well enough not to get fired.

I will not compromise my integrity or safety, unless the company puts pressure on me.

I am not a leader. I am there because the FAA forces the airline to have copilots. I am a copilot.

 

[CX880]

If the majority turn into tea bags like u that are impressed by this 'presentation', then I'll gladly leave my mainline job behind. I'm sure you'll undercut me out soon enough w/ the joy of being a crewmember on your side. I have enough confidence in myself and respect for those who trained me to prevent me from stating a creed on my day off while fighting back tears like u.

Hahaha well said. Somebody apparently likes to be on their knees.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

I agree with you, because we do not have a voice, the RAA could be interpreted as our voice.

Copy and valid.

If you have to be a member of a union to obtain professional status then are Doctors professionals? Lawyers? Engineers? Financial Analysts? They must not be because they haven't unionized and "obtained professional status." This thread started because of a well intentioned, but poorly executed, class at SkyWest. This class and the professionalism of our pilot group (which is how well we do our job) have nothing to do with whether or not we want to join a union.

You are missing a valid point....

As much as Skywest pilots look and act the part of professionals, they have no method to enforce it. Meaning they have no CBA and no ASAP program. OO pilots can talk the talk but they cannot walk the walk. Same with JB and VA pilots.

As the PIC I have been pushed by management to operate my jet counter to my professional instinct. However, I knew that with a CBA and ASAP that I would be protected. My CBA states that the PIC is the unquestioned authority on the aircraft. While the FARs also state that, and OO pilots might feel that is adequate protection... it is... when dealing with the FAA. However, your employment is something else... The FAA might be satisfied that you operated safely, but they do not care if you fly again and the Feds won't protect your paycheck.

In addition, Doctors and Lawyers have Associations to represent them on CapHill.

The situation you described with our pilot group having no recourse is absolutely correct, but it has no bearing on our professionalism. If SkyWest cut our pay by 10% (maybe I shouldn't give them any ideas), I wouldn't go out and do 10% less work, or do a 90% good job. I would still be a professional and do the job to the best of my ability (while looking for a job that paid more). Again, I think you are speaking to "advancing the profession" which for some reason that escapes my comprehension, my colleagues have refused to do for decades.

Again, it has to do with the ability to tell a manager no, who is pushing you as PIC to operate against your desire for safety. In the end, when push comes to shove, Skywest pilots cannot do that.

Yes it is a choice, a choice in one's own personal conduct while performing duties associated with their profession.

Conduct and image is one a part of professionalism, but backing it up with a CBA, ASAP and the ability to influence federal law and policy is where the real professionals operate.


Sorry, but there is an entire world outside of SGU. I've discussed CapHill, but as the industry truely goes global, the ability to represent the profession will be critical. Skywest JB and VA pilots are not Amish. Rather more like Native Americans who must adapt or be sequestered to the reservation.

It is not a choice in how you get compensated, how long your duty day can be, or what the reserve rules are, or as is the case at SkyWest, not having a choice in any of those things.

It can be, if the OO pilot so do want to.

 

[AirCobra]

Rez, you are the poster child for everything wrong with ALPA. You are always right. You know better than everyone. Everyone who disagrees with you is ________. [stupid, naive, brainwashed, etc...] I'd guess that you have single handedly turned more SkyWest pilots against ALPA with your FI ramblings than any anti union manager over there. Just like Tim Martins, Rez IS ALPA!

Please stop. You're not doing us any favors. Really.

Honest Rez, I have not changed my screen name to Box Office.