SkyWest showing videos of crippled folks and.......

[BHopper88]

would be curious what would happen if someone did take the offer to walk out of the class... line checks for a month?

 

[inthegoo]

Jason, (a/k/a Inthegoo)

Are you still out on FMLA or are you back flying the line? Did you attend the class or are you just now hearing about it? I thought you were going to quit after FMLA ran out. How's things in Austin? Is the wife still doing an internship as a doc or was she a dentist? Can't really remember. How' the little one? Jason I an I ro. How 'bout you?

No one here is impressed that you know a few personal things about me

 

[ePilot22]

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eP.

 

[CX880]

But how can Skywest pilots need professionalism class? Skywest has an entire page dedicated to their pilots on their sky magazine about how they are better trained than the rest of us and get in the industry with at least 1000 hours!

 

[AirCobra]

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[Kalifornia]

I have attended the Leadership class at SkyWest and I applaud the idea of providing the pilot group with training on the subject; however, the execution of the class was laughable. Everything from dressing up to attend it, to the fake invitation to leave class, to the dangerously oversimplified bullet points of very complex theories having to do with the human mind and group dynamics (the instructors completely missed some of the main conclusions of these studies), to the inexperienced instructors leading the class (too many grammatical errors to count…I am sorry, but how can you listen to someone rally on about professionalism when they start out with “I was in the jumpseat once and I seen…”), to the pledge (reminded me of dictatorial regime) meant it was a wasted day of training. (speaking of grammatical errors, how about that for a run-on sentence, good thing I am not teaching a class)

It reminded me of a C- high school class project. It could have been a great thing for our pilot group as I do believe we need some extra training…things are getting a little loose out there and I think it is up to us to pull in the reigns. It is just disappointing to see SkyWest not utilize the vast amount of resources available to it ($, experience, perhaps outside speakers instead of YouTube videos) to improve our pilot group rather than satisfy the FAA with a course thrown together by people whose world view consists of St. George, UT.

One other point is that just because you might have a “the company is screwing us” mentality does not mean that you are unprofessional. You can disagree with payscales, work rules, and scheduling practices and still be a professional pilot. This equation that somehow professionalism is tied to your happiness with SkyWest was perhaps the biggest aggravation to most of us sitting in class. In fact, professionalism has nothing to do with your union or company views, or happiness with your job, it has to do with your conduct on the job.

Very well stated along with your other post and nice to see someone with a firm grip on reality. I would hope for your sake and the rest of the sane pilots over at your airline, that few pilots in your ranks go overboard in the drinking of the koolaid and get tunnel vision to reality. Flying with the small percentage of pilots who are too cool for school is not worth the extra work load, but I have found just as unsafe and annoying are the tunnel vision "professionals" who will go above and beyond the call of duty to ensure the safety of the flight, but have severe issues seeing the big picture (this is the type that will crash an airplane because they are distracted with a gear light bulb burned out, cross a runway they shouldn't because it's of up most importance to see the MEL on a broken tray table, get flustered like no other when ATC assigns a last minute runway change, and/or bob their head up and down from severe fatigue but can't bring themselves to coordinating a nap or reading a magazine).

Reciting an oath!? This is gotta be the most f'd up ridiculous thing since the Mesa overnight on the airplane plywood chronicles.

 

[ehaecker]

FYI, they didn't make anybody recite the oath. They read it to us. Still a bit cheesy though.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

SkyWest is in Utah

Utah people are crazy

This surprises anyone?

Skeptical Salukipilot is Skeptical

 

[Draginass]

Pathetic. Ridiculous. Insulting. Contemptuous.

Of course, managements could also try leading by example, but that's not the Harvard Business School model of how to treat employees like chinese coolies.

 

[CX880]

SkyWest is in Utah

Utah people are crazy

This surprises anyone?

Skeptical Salukipilot is Skeptical

Yea I knew of a mormon, pretty cool guy. He said that the further you go from the center of SLC the crazier the people get, especially in the mountain areas. SGU is as far as you can get from SLC so...

 

[Dubya]

SkyWest is in Utah

Utah people are crazy

This surprises anyone?

Skeptical Salukipilot is Skeptical

Right, and the people in southern IL are completely normal.

S imple
I nbred
U ndergraduates

 

[Microclimates]

what I don't quite get is that skw has been running this class for well over a year now, so how come all this hoopla now? Granted, until this winter it was a captain class... The content was almost exactly the same. The big difference? the 'oath' states: 'I am a Captain' instead of ' I am a First Officer'... I've been through it and the oath is really too much. cheesiness abounds. The rest of the material though is interesting.
that said: if it is a valid product, then it makes sense that it be offered to CA and FO, and eventually to FA's, since the topics have to do with work ethics and crew issues, not aviation per se...
If it isn't, then why hasn't anybody complained until now?

 

[acaTerry]

Same guys who had the same 2 questions on these forums...
1) How long is the upgrade?
2) Do I need a college degree?

Spells it out pretty well the caliber of pilots coming in.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

what I don't quite get is that skw has been running this class for well over a year now, so how come all this hoopla now? Granted, until this winter it was a captain class... The content was almost exactly the same. The big difference? the 'oath' states: 'I am a Captain' instead of ' I am a First Officer'... I've been through it and the oath is really too much. cheesiness abounds. The rest of the material though is interesting.
that said: if it is a valid product, then it makes sense that it be offered to CA and FO, and eventually to FA's, since the topics have to do with work ethics and crew issues, not aviation per se...
If it isn't, then why hasn't anybody complained until now?

Because pilot professionalism is the buzz topic in DC. While OO pilots think the center of the universe is SGU, their careers are made or hindered in DC.

The NTSB is having a three day symposium on pilot professionalism. (but the OO Student Council knew this..... correct?) Significant changes are to the CFRs are sought to address experience, qualifications and yes, professionalism. Will the OO pilots be represented at the NTSB symposium on pilot professionalism? Or does the Oath satisfy the OO pilots as an example of SGU pilot professionalism?

The FAA Administrator has sent the word down for airlines to better professionalism. This is why OO is doing this.

Managements spend money for two reasons: they believe they will make more money or they've been mandated to do it. Knowing this one could understand why their are associations such as the RAA, ATA and ALPA. These groups seek to influence govt mandates in their favor.

 

[Kalifornia]

Because pilot professionalism is the buzz topic in DC. While OO pilots think the center of the universe is SGU, their careers are made or hindered in DC.

The NTSB is having a three day symposium on pilot professionalism. (but the OO Student Council knew this..... correct?) Significant changes are to the CFRs are sought to address experience, qualifications and yes, professionalism. Will the OO pilots be represented at the NTSB symposium on pilot professionalism? Or does the Oath satisfy the OO pilots as an example of SGU pilot professionalism?

The FAA Administrator has sent the word down for airlines to better professionalism. This is why OO is doing this.

Managements spend money for two reasons: they believe they will make more money or they've been mandated to do it. Knowing this one could understand why their are associations such as the RAA, ATA and ALPA. These groups seek to influence govt mandates in their favor.

And while CA pay and benefits are lacking for the level of responsibility in the ever increasing size of so call regional jets, the FO pay and benefits remain pathetic at Skywest and most other similar carriers. So when an airline plays the game of we'd like you stay for our goody gum drop class on inspirational behavior, it's just another ground stop program to real life meaningful professional motivation recognition like quality pay, benefits, and respect for operational crew safety decisions like fatigue calls or go/no-go decisions.

 

[ehaecker]

Blah blah blah blah blah...While OO pilots think the center of the universe is SGU blah blah blah blah...

This statement couldn't be further from the truth for most of us.

 

[inthegoo]

ALL RIGHT HERE IS THE WHOLE CREED:


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SkyWest First Officer's Creed

No one is more professional than I. I am a First Officer - a member of the flight crew whose purpose is to keep my passengers, crew, and airplane safe.

My decisions are the difference between life and death for both my passengers and my company.

I am the master of my emotions. No one controls my mood but me.

I will conduct myself to bring credit to myself, my Company and my profession at all times.

I will not compromise my integrity or safety for any reason.

I am a leader. I am a professional. I am a First Officer.


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I just barfed on the keyboard

 

[inthegoo]

Why do they keep captializing First Officer?

I guess maybe thats part of our "total compensation package"

Thanks chip (away)!

 

[BWatz]

I just barfed on the keyboard

As did I....

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This statement couldn't be further from the truth for most of us.

Who is "us"?

The OO Student Council speaks for OO pilots. But not really.

Management does. And in Wash DC, OO management has authorized Roger Cohen, RAA to speak for OO pilots on all govt policy and CFR including Part 121.

What is really sick is money that OO pilots make for OO is used to fund dues to the RAA. The RAA in turn goes to CapHill and lobbies Congress against the OO pilots.

Wage slavery at its best. Paying with your hard work and effort for the very shackles that prevent you from controlling your own profession.

There are many Skywest pilots that strive to be professional everyday, but the massive lead weight that is SGU will hold them back, until they collective decide to be their own autonomous group.

 

[Draginass]

Did everyone break out laughing when the management stooge read that ridiculous piece of tripe?

Things must be getting pretty bad at Skywest for them to resort to this kind of juvenile mindless crap.

 

[JoeMerchant]

What is really sick is money that OO pilots make for OO is used to fund dues to the RAA. The RAA in turn goes to CapHill and lobbies Congress against the OO pilots.

Wage slavery at its best. Paying with your hard work and effort for the very shackles that prevent you from controlling your own profession.

This is some funny excrament here..."Wage slavery at its best"...Yeah listen to Rez....Those MESA pilots and Trans States pilots are so much better off with ALPA...

There are many Skywest pilots that strive to be professional everyday, but the massive lead weight that is SGU will hold them back, until they collective decide to be their own autonomous group.

They can never be professionals until they give Herndon 2% of their pay...Rez, with ALPA cheerleaders like you, ALPA will continue to be looked down upon by the majority of us who can actually think for ourselves

Joe - 16 year ALPA member

 

[Ski Bum]

This is some funny excrament here..."Wage slavery at its best"...Yeah listen to Rez....Those MESA pilots and Trans States pilots are so much better off with ALPA...

I am not trying to bash Mesa or Trans States, but let's be realistic...SkyWest is a different company (not saying better or worse) than those 2. In fact, almost every airline in the country varies in culture, financial position, number of aircraft, number of employees, values, and the way they conduct business. Just because they both might have some fee for departure regional business doesn't make them the same.

That can also be said for ALPA. Although ALPA operates within a similar framework, the MEC and members at ASA have different goals than the MEC and members at Trans States, who both have different goals than the MEC and members at FedEx. ALPA is different at each airline because it is the pilots at each airline that run it.

I am not saying you can't have a legitimate beef with ALPA, but quit the oversimplified comparisons of "Trans States/Mesa got screwed by their management and they are ALPA so ALPA sucks and SkyWest would get screwed too" banter. SkyWest is different. Maybe we get screwed, maybe we already are, maybe we won't...nobody knows. I do know; however, that just because something happened at one company under a specific set of circumstances does not mean that it will happen again at a different company under a different set of circumstances.

I also know that ASA just got PBS and in a year when everybody figures out how to use it I would bet you that your PBS will be better than our PBS at SkyWest. I am not saying it will be perfect, just better than ours. The reason - you have a say in your PBS because of your union.

 

[Ski Bum]

Who is "us"?

The OO Student Council speaks for OO pilots. But not really.

Management does. And in Wash DC, OO management has authorized Roger Cohen, RAA to speak for OO pilots on all govt policy and CFR including Part 121.

What is really sick is money that OO pilots make for OO is used to fund dues to the RAA. The RAA in turn goes to CapHill and lobbies Congress against the OO pilots.

This can be said for almost every airline that has costs associated with belonging to a trade organization. Whether it is the ATA or RAA most airlines use "money" to pay an organization to represent the company and sometimes that is in contradiction to the best interest of the pilots. According to the RAA Annual Report, 32 regional airlines (union and non-union) take the money that was made by their workers and pay dues to the RAA to speak on behalf of the company.

There are many Skywest pilots that strive to be professional everyday, but the massive lead weight that is SGU will hold them back, until they collective decide to be their own autonomous group.

I think it is important to differentiate between being professional and advancing the profession. You do not need to belong to an autonomous group to be a professional. In many cases you do need to belong to one to have representation and advance the profession.

 

[propjob27]

Goo:

Quit Skyweird in '03. Recently received a txt from a bud still there about this "brainwashing class", as he put it.

Thanks for posting the actual creed, that **** really cracked me up. However, it's only funny because I'm reading it as a mildly interested 3rd party. I'd be puking instead of laughing if Brad Holt was standing in front of the class with his jerry-curl looking mullet forcing us all to recite it.

Has anyone flatly refused to attend the class? I'd imagine I would, based on the premise that my days off are my days off, and I'm unable to sacrifice them. I'd make them schedule a class in lieu of one of my trips or reserve days.

 

[nimtz]

ALL RIGHT HERE IS THE WHOLE CREED:


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SkyWest First Officer's Creed

No one is more professional than I. I am a First Officer - a member of the flight crew whose purpose is to keep my passengers, crew, and airplane safe.

My decisions are the difference between life and death for both my passengers and my company.

I am the master of my emotions. No one controls my mood but me.

I will conduct myself to bring credit to myself, my Company and my profession at all times.

I will not compromise my integrity or safety for any reason.

I am a leader. I am a professional. I am a First Officer.


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If this is true, this is the biggest pile of stinking cr@p airline HR unit has ever produced. Too bad there wasn't a group hug included. Perhaps Management should recommend taking 'a free stress test' from those nice people you see outside subway stations.

 

[Max Powers]

Yea McDonald's actually does the same thing with their in store employees. Management types are aware that if customers find their burger is made by homey-d with his pants around his knees and greasy hair 3 feet long that their customers will demand something be done to bring in 'better' employees. So, to avoid that whole mess McDonald's teaches homey-d and all of its employees that they should come to work with your uniform clean and pressed, and always maintain a professional appearance.

They still make minimum wage.

EXACTLY!!!!!! Especially the last statement on minimum wage.

I predict skywest will be ALPA in less than 2 years.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

Right, and the people in southern IL are completely normal.

S imple
I nbred
U ndergraduates

Tou-f'n-che.

 

[urflyingme?!]

I'm thinking about memorizing the creed and standing up drunk as a skunk in a crowded bar with lots of crews and shouting it.

 

[Dubya]

ALL RIGHT HERE IS THE WHOLE CREED:


-----------------------------------------


SkyWest First Officer's Creed

No one is more professional than I. I am a First Officer - a member of the flight crew whose purpose is to keep my passengers, crew, and airplane safe.

My decisions are the difference between life and death for both my passengers and my company.

I am the master of my emotions. No one controls my mood but me.

I will conduct myself to bring credit to myself, my Company and my profession at all times.

I will not compromise my integrity or safety for any reason.

I am a leader. I am a professional. I am a First Officer.


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I just barfed on the keyboard

Hey goo...why don't you recite the Mr. Mom Creed for us all.

Mr. Mom Creed


No man is more inferior than I. I am a Mr. Mom- a member of the family who's purpose is to wash dishes, change diapers, and let my wife bring home the bacon.

My decisions are the difference between wearing uniform pants and an apron.

I am the master of the wash machine. No one controls the laundry but me.

I will conduct myself to bring credit to women, Oprah, and The View at all times.

I will totally compromise my integrity so that I may stay home and let my wife wear the pants.

I am a follower. I am lazy. I am a Mr. Mom.

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