SkyWest RJ Captain down to 1 year!!

[amcnd]

Well ok 13 months, ORD CRJ CA 5/06 hire date!! WOW

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Wow! That's quick. How long is the Bro?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

As soon as you apply.

 

[relief tube]

Very sad.....

hope no SKYW spikey hair, sunglasses resting on their forehead wonderpilots start making mistakes.

13 months, shoot, some of them'll probably upgrade without having ever de-iced. yay.

 

[aurip]

Very sad.....

hope no SKYW spikey hair, sunglasses resting on their forehead wonderpilots start making mistakes.

13 months, shoot, some of them'll probably upgrade without having ever de-iced. yay.

Couldn't agree more. Hope no one in my family rides with them.

 

[It will roll]

That is pretty strange/awesome. I know there are more factors involved but the standing bid list for RJ CA shows over 250 people ahead of a person with that seniority level. I know some dont have the time, are seat locked, want impossible bases, etc, but for that many peopple to get skipped over? Wow is right! I guess that standing bid list is a terrible guide when trying to guage how many people are ahead of you. Anyone see it slowing down in the next year?

 

[Weasil]

Very sad.....

hope no SKYW spikey hair, sunglasses resting on their forehead wonderpilots start making mistakes.

13 months, shoot, some of them'll probably upgrade without having ever de-iced. yay.

Just because the person has been with Skywest for 13 months doesn't mean that they aren't more experienced than you are assuming. Remember minimum time to upgrade is 2500hrs. There were several guys from Eagle in my class, one with 6 years over there. This was typical of the experience level in my class with the exception of a few CFI types, and they would not upgrade in a year.

 

[Socalplt]

When pulling up the standing bid list for RJ captain, narrow it down to those willing to go to ORD and you can see that it drops to that seniority level pretty quick. A number of people with bids for ORD are seatlocked or don't want to go until later in the year.

Even if you don't think you can hold a seat put the bid in anyway. I'd bet this guy wasn't expecting it this fast.

 

[indianboy7]

Just because the person has been with Skywest for 13 months doesn't mean that they aren't more experienced than you are assuming. Remember minimum time to upgrade is 2500hrs. There were several guys from Eagle in my class, one with 6 years over there. This was typical of the experience level in my class with the exception of a few CFI types, and they would not upgrade in a year.

Exactly.....I know of many people who came here after 4 or more years at other regionals........they are able to upgrade in 8 months or 13 months because they have 4000 other 121 hours.....

and relief tube, people were screaming the same thing last year and the year before about quick upgrades, and I have yet to see any type of incident relating to lack of experience.........

 

[Coloaviator]

Judge before knowing-Amazing!!!

This guys has 737 and DHC-8 exp. at an intl' airline with 4500tt. Don't talk before you know the facts. People on FI are amazing!

 

[CA1900]

...people were screaming the same thing last year and the year before about quick upgrades, and I have yet to see any type of incident relating to lack of experience.........

How soon they forget....

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20041015X01633&key=1

 

[SkyNation]

Anyone see it slowing down in the next year?

per BH's email the other day, looks like 25 upgrades per month for the next 5 months or so.

 

[Socalplt]

How soon they forget....

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20041015X01633&key=1

Didn't the Captain have somewhere around 7000 hours? If so, would he have avoided this accident with another 1000 - 2000+ hours? Probably not, he was 30+ years old and this speaks more of his personality than experience.

 

[Nightrain_080]

sunglasses

Very sad.....

hope no SKYW spikey hair, sunglasses resting on their forehead wonderpilots start making mistakes.

13 months, shoot, some of them'll probably upgrade without having ever de-iced. yay.

very sad.....resting sunglasses on ones head is much better than wearing them in your pocket, around your neck like a woman, or squinting around getting wrinkles all day.

 

[Dirty Sanchez]

Just because the person has been with Skywest for 13 months doesn't mean that they aren't more experienced than you are assuming. Remember minimum time to upgrade is 2500hrs. There were several guys from Eagle in my class, one with 6 years over there. This was typical of the experience level in my class with the exception of a few CFI types, and they would not upgrade in a year.

What makes you think Skywest has pilots that are "more experienced" than any other regional? 13 months is 13 months and there will be some idiots that do it with the minimum times. Just hope you aren't deadheading when things go wrong.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Exactly.....I know of many people who came here after 4 or more years at other regionals........they are able to upgrade in 8 months or 13 months because they have 4000 other 121 hours.....

Yeah you tell 'em. If SkyWest management gets their way 20+ year employees at ASA will be given the opportunity to interview, when our airplanes are transferred, IF SkyWest is hiring, at the bottom of your list. Heck, some of these guys have more than 10,000 hours in the same exact airplanes.

Don't kid yourselves that this is due to SkyWest's incredible product and management team. You are getting the opportunity becaues airplanes operated by your subsidiary were taken, or firm orders belonging to your subsidiary were taken, because your pilot group will fly these jets for less and not ask for more. With these upgrades comes a displacement, or a pilot like me who realizes he must find another job because the company he invested his time in building is now being systematically dismantled and the jobs transferred to new hires at SkyWest.

Your upgrades are the same as the Continental upgrades that came on Eastern's equipment under Frank Lorenzo.

I don't blame any of you individually for taking the opportunity. But you need to at some point consider the effect SkyWest's war on pilots has on the profession.

What SkyWest is doing is going after longevity. This is not about $1.50 an hour in pay, it is about a 10 year Captain's pay v/s pay for a 2 year Captain. That means with this model we are all going to work in a 5 year cycle (as explained to us by ASA management and Mr. Atkin). Most of us have no desire to start over every 5 to 10 years and will leave the "profession" before taking the responsibilities of Captain to the employment cycle of a waitress.

When you have around eight years in and finally reach a point in your career when you start to enjoy the fruit of your labor I guarantee your airline will have some sort of alter ego new hire scheme to replace you. You probably figure you will be at a major by then (and some of you will). If you look at the statistics, most of you will not. Delta Connection Carriers are advertising nearly 2,000 vacancies in 2007. Delta mainline is advertising 200. You do the math and consider the profession that is beig undermined is the profession you will be in five years from now. American, US Air and United still have 3,000 plus pilots on furlough.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yeah you tell 'em. If SkyWest management gets their way 20+ year employees at ASA will be given the opportunity to interview, when our airplanes are transferred, IF SkyWest is hiring, at the bottom of your list. Heck, some of these guys have more than 10,000 hours in the same exact airplanes.

Don't kid yourselves that this is due to SkyWest's incredible product and management team. You are getting the opportunity becaues airplanes operated by your subsidiary were taken, or firm orders belonging to your subsidiary were taken, because your pilot group will fly these jets for less and not ask for more. With these upgrades comes a displacement, or a pilot like me who realizes he must find another job because the company he invested his time in building is now being systematically dismantled and the jobs transferred to new hires at SkyWest.

Your upgrades are the same as the Continental upgrades that came on Eastern's equipment under Frank Lorenzo.

I don't blame any of you individually for taking the opportunity. But you need to at some point consider the effect SkyWest's war on pilots has on the profession.

What SkyWest is doing is going after longevity. This is not about $1.50 an hour in pay, it is about a 10 year Captain's pay v/s pay for a 2 year Captain. That means with this model we are all going to work in a 5 year cycle (as explained to us by ASA management and Mr. Atkin). Most of us have no desire to start over every 5 to 10 years and will leave the "profession" before taking the responsibilities of Captain to the employment cycle of a waitress.

When you have around eight years in and finally reach a point in your career when you start to enjoy the fruit of your labor I guarantee your airline will have some sort of alter ego new hire scheme to replace you. You probably figure you will be at a major by then (and some of you will). If you look at the statistics, most of you will not. Delta Connection Carriers are advertising nearly 2,000 vacancies in 2007. Delta mainline is advertising 200. You do the math and consider the profession that is beig undermined is the profession you will be in five years from now. American, US Air and United still have 3,000 plus pilots on furlough.

WOW! Well said, as usual, Fins.

Let me add to that, that y'all at Skywest WILL get your turn in the mill. Enjoy your 1 year upgrades, because by the time you hit 10 years, Skywest will have found a way to replace you, just as they have with us.

Fins speaks the truth in that we at ASA have been told many, many times that our seniority is a problem. They don't want anyone over 5 years hanging out because we become too costly to do the same job as a 2 year pilot. They WILL buy or create an alter ego, and you being without a contract have no defense. Long after ASA is gone, y'all will live our fate and see your jobs transferred to a different carrier where you MAY be allowed to interview for your job and start over.

But until then, enjoy your upgrade. I hope the majors are still hiring by the time you get your 1000 PIC. If not, try to learn from history instead of repeating it.

 

[Rook]

Didn't the Captain have somewhere around 7000 hours? If so, would he have avoided this accident with another 1000 - 2000+ hours? Probably not, he was 30+ years old and this speaks more of his personality than experience.

Thanks Soalplt. Excellent post.:beer:

 

[Grey Ghost]

its gives me a warm feeling to know that SKYW will put some 23 year old punk in charge of a 90 seat jet! Just keep lowering the standards, jerry!

 

[Lance Uppercut]

its gives me a warm feeling to know that SKYW will put some 23 year old punk in charge of a 90 seat jet! Just keep lowering the standards, jerry!

STFU. Nobody said he was 23yrs. As mentioned before this guy has 737 and DHC-8 exp. The haters are out in full force.

 

[John Pennekamp]

STFU. Nobody said he was 23yrs. As mentioned before this guy has 737 and DHC-8 exp. The haters are out in full force.

"STFU"? And pray tell how would you not be a "hater" on the opposite side of the issue? Hypocrite.

If you have anything intelligent to add, please do. If not, maybe you should "STFU" until you learn enough about this industry not to put your foot in your mouth every time you speak.

 

[siucavflight]

very sad.....resting sunglasses on ones head is much better than wearing them in your pocket, around your neck like a woman, or squinting around getting wrinkles all day.

The only problem I see with resting them on my head is that they will get all messed up from my hair gel.

 

[purduej]

It's oh so dangerous since we all know that people in their early 20's are incapable of any sort of important decision. It's not like many of you didn't have kids in their early twenties. No, raising a child requires no important decisions. And nevermind that George Washington was head of all Virginia forces at the age of 23 before the war. Oh, and all the troops who are between 18 and 25 in Iraq and Afganistan? Nope, not making any life changing decisions.

Face it, experience, and more importantly a person's judgement, have more to do with safety than their age. Anybody ever wonder why the worst captains are the ones who have been there forever?

And for Grey Ghost, if you think the pay is bad, the work rules suck, and we're dangerous because we have young captains, why are you here?

 

[BigLebowski]

its gives me a warm feeling to know that SKYW will put some 23 year old punk in charge of a 90 seat jet! Just keep lowering the standards, jerry!

I hate to tell you this...but I know this man. He is in his early 30's very professional. Used to fly the 737 and Dash-8.

BTW...SkyWest I think is the last regional standing not to "lower" their minimums.

 

[siucavflight]

SKW is the last one not to lower their mins, but this actually does not matter, still need 2500 hours to make CA.

SKW is a good place to work, I love FI, everyone bitches about upgrade times at Eagle being too long, "dont work at Eagle, takes too long to upgrade" then those same people look at SKW and say "you should not be able to upgrade that fast, you will crash airplanes"

This place really cracks me up.

 

[John Pennekamp]

It's oh so dangerous since we all know that people in their early 20's are incapable of any sort of important decision. It's not like many of you didn't have kids in their early twenties. No, raising a child requires no important decisions. And nevermind that George Washington was head of all Virginia forces at the age of 23 before the war. Oh, and all the troops who are between 18 and 25 in Iraq and Afganistan? Nope, not making any life changing decisions.

Face it, experience, and more importantly a person's judgement, have more to do with safety than their age. Anybody ever wonder why the worst captains are the ones who have been there forever?

And for Grey Ghost, if you think the pay is bad, the work rules suck, and we're dangerous because we have young captains, why are you here?

To play devils advocate...

I would look back and say the decision to have children in my 20s was not the best idea.

GW was a great man, but back in his day, the average life expectancy was what, 50 years? The 20s were your peak years then.

The GIs at war? They don't make decisions, their commanders do.

But I agree some of the 50 somethings tend to make poor decisions too. I believe studies have shown that you reach your mental and physical peak somewhere in the mid to late 30s.

 

[Grey Ghost]

STFU. Nobody said he was 23yrs. As mentioned before this guy has 737 and DHC-8 exp. The haters are out in full force.

Just keep running them off taxiways, buddy!

 

[~~~^~~~]

But I agree some of the 50 somethings tend to make poor decisions too. I believe studies have shown that you reach your mental and physical peak somewhere in the mid to late 30s.

Let me guess, you are in your mid to late thirties?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Let me guess, you are in your mid to late thirties?

Ha, ha you got me with that one, fins. :laugh: :beer:

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Just keep running them off taxiways, buddy!

Those are the female captains. So I guess you're next...