SkyWest Pilots vote No

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I'm impressed with the SkyWest pilots' vote and proud to be on board. Any chance the ALPA members at ASA can join SAPA. I'm only half joking...

ALPA spends so much on their National Bureaucracy and fighting lawsuits that their mainline MECs' get them in to that I don't think ALPA National is the fiscal powerhouse it might have been. After all, every couple of years a mainline lawsuit gets going and cleans them out for some kind of malfeasance. Miller v. ALPA (mainline Delta pilots sued ALPA) and Duke v. ALPA, the settlements from sexual harassment complaints out of the Delta MEC and I think ALPA even defended one of the Delta MEC's income tax audit.

Unless ALPA grows a pair and starts fighting alter ego proliferation by acting as a union (bringing pilots together) it will be time to dump the worthless organization.

 

[Socalplt]

SCREW ALPA!

Start your own inhouse union under the RLA. Then you won't have to worry about getting f'd over by both the company and your National union.

This was attempted about a year and a half ago. The big problem here is funding. The day you vote in a inhouse union you have Zero $$ in the bank to start working on a new contract. With all the problems with ALPA they are still the one with the resources available to help get the ball rolling. I think during the last union drive someone mentioned that it would cost several million to get the first contract done.

 

[OO pilot]

I don't see what's so wrong about General Lee's comments...
He's right about T.F. and it's true that there's too many Kool-Aid drinkers in SGU.
You can debate any points he makes, but I don't think childish answers will prove him wrong.

Having said that, I'm glad the NO vote made it by a big margin, and can't wait to see what RR and BH will have to say about it (probably another dooms day speech).

 

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So Cal:

So lets say ASA and SkyWest have 4,000 pilots with an average income of $50,000. ( I think the average with senior Captains is a lot higher at ASA, but I like easy math )

A 2% dues assessment nets $4,000,000.00 a year. We should be able to do better than ALPA does with their investments since we don't have to play in Kitty Hawk, the offshore accounts, ULICO and other AFL-CIO schemes.

I'm thinking we are close to a critical mass. Probably there are quite a few other carriers who are willing to let the Delta and NW boys have the union they hijacked with the United Pilots. The Continental, Northwest and FedEx guys will remain. But I bet Mesaba, whats left of the US Air Wholly Owneds, Eagle, CHQ and perhaps COEX would consider joining the party.

Even better, lets get the SkyWest pilots in ALPA, try to get the COEX guys away from Duane's golden cool aid and see if we can organize a take over of ALPA at the next BOD Let's Roll! :O

 

[Socalplt]

Actually sounds like a good plan!

If it wasn't for the high start up cost I would prefer something similiar to an inhouse like Southwest but just don't see it happening.

 

[SSDD]

Wings, you may have good intentions, but don't start that crap, not even joking!

That's what happened last time ALPA vs in house, and it created enough diversion that nothing was voted in. There were enough fence sitters that SAPA and management won. If you want to mininize the whipsaw, don't derail the current drive.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PMSr,

I was told by a 4th floor management guy in ATL that the reason they wanted to push the lower 100 seat wage on us, via the judge, was so they COULD GET REGIONAL RATES DOWN TOO. He said that was one of their main objectives. Now, Jetblue started it (their management implemented it on them I guess...with no union....), and now a judge may do that to us. The guy said "They can't make more than you guys, they fly smaller planes." You are next. Your paycuts are coming, and I am not pleased about it, but all of our management's are in it together probably. They will be the ones with bonuses.

Bye Bye--General Lee

GenTool,
Do you actually look at you flightplan past the first fix, the logic you use would only make sense to my dog(see pic to left, port if you are a squid). First they get the high cost groups(you), then they work on the rest(us), if you think the pilot rates at your org. are the only costs they are after, think again, they will get your pension, then the 401(k) match down to 2-5%, your workrules, if you want a preview, check in with a UAL narrow body guy and check his schedule. The UAL guys are flying FAR's as a limit. Do you really think those sweet 6day HNL trips will stay sweet? They will move the crew hotel a couple of miles upslope, (probabaly next to a meth lab) you will have a sweet 35 min drive to the hotel, 20 mins to check in, and 7:05 behind the door, so much for catching a few waves. Since our buddies at Jetblue are soon going to be doing transcon out and back locals, you guys will probabally catch some of that too as soon as needlewhatever pays those feds off to get the duty limits changed. I cannot believe how foolish you are, I hope you are typing after a sixer or so, 'cause if you are sober you are too dumb to ride a skateboard, much less fly a plane. You are really too foolish, SKYW was having trouble filling classes so the payrates are getting close to the minimums for the junior guys, and when the slashing and burning at DAL etal finishes, the explosive growth will slow tremendously and there will be no upgrades and then no new meat for planes. You keep your head in the sand and wait, your wages will be closer to my wages sooner rather later. Just realize I can go out and find a job at similar wages to what I am currently making, can you say the same?
Have another beer and a shot, while you can still afford them
PBR

 

[SkySBA]

83% voted with 70.9% voting NO for the proposed pay agreement.

1803 voted out of 2163 eligible. 525 for / 1278 against. Unfortunately 360 didn't care.

Has there been any response from management yet?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Gentoolbox,
I am not sure what you what you ment by PMSr. The way it reads is PM Sr as opposed to PM Jr, and I do prefer Nyquil with some club soda and a couple of ice cubes. If you were trying to imply something relating to PMS, I think PMSer would be more applicable, but that's just me. Although PMS'r might have also been ok too. I hope you don't need this much help with the FMS, OAK D HNL can't be that hard though.
P B R

 

[General Lee]

GenTool,
Do you actually look at you flightplan past the first fix, the logic you use would only make sense to my dog(see pic to left, port if you are a squid). First they get the high cost groups(you), then they work on the rest(us), if you think the pilot rates at your org. are the only costs they are after, think again, they will get your pension, then the 401(k) match down to 2-5%, your workrules, if you want a preview, check in with a UAL narrow body guy and check his schedule. The UAL guys are flying FAR's as a limit. Do you really think those sweet 6day HNL trips will stay sweet? They will move the crew hotel a couple of miles upslope, (probabaly next to a meth lab) you will have a sweet 35 min drive to the hotel, 20 mins to check in, and 7:05 behind the door, so much for catching a few waves. Since our buddies at Jetblue are soon going to be doing transcon out and back locals, you guys will probabally catch some of that too as soon as needlewhatever pays those feds off to get the duty limits changed. I cannot believe how foolish you are, I hope you are typing after a sixer or so, 'cause if you are sober you are too dumb to ride a skateboard, much less fly a plane. You are really too foolish, SKYW was having trouble filling classes so the payrates are getting close to the minimums for the junior guys, and when the slashing and burning at DAL etal finishes, the explosive growth will slow tremendously and there will be no upgrades and then no new meat for planes. You keep your head in the sand and wait, your wages will be closer to my wages sooner rather later. Just realize I can go out and find a job at similar wages to what I am currently making, can you say the same?
Have another beer and a shot, while you can still afford them
PBR

PMSfingerbang,

Hey, I married rich, ok. I can still afford it all. I enjoy this industry and I enjoy debate on this board. I have moved up 2500 numbers in 1 year, and I can hold larger equipment now, and have about the same pay as before, which isn't that bad at all. Will the HNL layovers be worse? How do you know where we stay now? You have no clue buddy. You and your SkyWest buddies agreed to a terrible, horrible agreement that ruined the regional industry---allowing 99 seats for 50 seat wages. And what will you do about it pal? NOTHING. Voted no.... Great. Now what? You can't even answer that. But wait, SkyWest will come to you all and say that "the United contract is in JEOPARDY." Then, after you vote yes for 100 seaters for Brasilia wages, the new United Contract will be ready to go by 7am the next morning. Those lawyers must have been negotiating ALL NIGHT LONG. (oh wait, that is what happened last time, my mistake)

Mahalo!!!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ArcticFlier]

and I can hold larger equipment now, and have about the same pay as before, Bye Bye--General Lee

Oh man, is that an open door................................

But wait, SkyWest will come to you all and say that "the United contract is in JEOPARDY." Then, after you vote yes for 100 seaters for Brasilia wages, the new United Contract will be ready to go by 7am the next morning.

It'll never happen again......................guaranteed.


AF

 

[General Lee]

AF,

An open door? That is reality when 2500 pilots leave in a little more than a year. Do you suggest I stay on the domestic 757/767 in ATL for your sake?

And, you say you won't ever allow that to happen again with your company? Do you promise? Swear? Well, ok then.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PMSfingerbang,

Hey, I married rich, ok. I can still afford it all. I enjoy this industry and I enjoy debate on this board. You like to slam people more than I do, but you have no substance. You don't. I have moved up 2500 numbers in 1 year, and I can hold larger equipment now, and have about the same pay as before, which is probably twice what you make. Will the HNL layovers be worse? How do you know where we stay now? You have no clue buddy. You and your SkyWest buddies agreed to a terrible, horrible agreement that ruined the regional industry---allowing 99 seats for 50 seat wages. And what will you do about it pal? NOTHING. Voted no.... Great. Now what? You can't even answer that. But wait, SkyWest will come to you all and say that "the United contract is in JEOPARDY." Then, after you vote yes for 100 seaters for Brasilia wages, the new United Contract will be ready to go by 7am the next morning. Those lawyers must have been negotiating ALL NIGHT LONG. (oh wait, that is what happened last time, my mistake)

Mahalo!!!


Bye Bye--General Lee

GeneralTool,
Glad to see I got your goat, "Hey, I married rich, ok" that says alot about you. 'nuff said
PBR
P.S. I think he was talking about you holding "Larger Equipment" wink, wink

 

[General Lee]

GeneralTool,
Glad to see I got your goat, "Hey, I married rich, ok" that says alot about you. 'nuff said
PBR
P.S. I think he was talking about you holding "Larger Equipment" wink, wink

My Mom always said "It is just as easy to marry a rich girl as a poor one." She was right. I knew if I hung around the Kellogg school of Business in Chicago long enough (when I was flying Brasilias for Midway Connection in Chicago) I would hook myself a good one.

And, when I need "larger equipment", I go see Alice (Cialis).

You got my "goat?" Where are you from? Cyprus?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

AF,

I got it now thanks to PMS. HOLDING larger equipment. HAHAHAHA. Got it. I am kinda slow sometimes.....That was a good one.

Bye Bye--General Lee