Skywest Open House

[JetDriver69ing]

Does anyone know anything about these open houses/group interviews at Skywest? It looks like there is a presentation and you are only going to be there for about an hour and a half to 2 hours. Also, is this a business casual thing or time to break out the old suit again?

 

[crash41]

Depends, are you pay for training???

 

[L.Skywalker]

And, any written or other tests at this event?(thinking LA)

 

[~~~^~~~]

No the test is whether you are willing to fly airplanes that are being taken from pilots who are fighting to improve the profession. If you are an opportunistic person with a spinning moral compass, who would see a bleeding body in a ditch as a good place to look for a wallet to pick, hey, this could be your big chance to take someone else's job for less money.

ASA guys - what do you say we sign up for the "Open House" and show up in uniform with signs and the press in tow? Lets expose Lorenzo for who he is - I mean Atkin.

 

[jehtplane]

No the test is whether you are willing to fly airplanes that are being taken from pilots who are fighting to improve the profession. If you are an opportunistic person with a spinning moral compass, who would see a bleeding body in a ditch as a good place to look for a wallet to pick, hey, this could be your big chance to take someone else's job for less money.

ASA guys - what do you say we sign up for the "Open House" and show up in uniform with signs and the press in tow? Lets expose Lorenzo for who he is - I mean Atkin.

I agree the problem is there will be some Skywest guys dancing in the street about the 70 and 90 seaters they are getting. After all as Bluto so graciously put it a few months ago, Skywest bought ASA like a used Datsun, i think that pretty much spells the attitude over there. How often have you heard a skywest pilot say we don't want those airframes.

 

[1x1]

Get ready to take it in the arse after you get those airframes. Rest assured, your management will whittle away your "gentleman's agreement" after they have lured you all into submission that a union is not needed on property to have growth. I hope you guys at Skywest can open your eyes and see this reality. You will be next.

 

[CJA]

Get ready to take it in the arse after you get those airframes. Rest assured, your management will whittle away your "gentleman's agreement" after they have lured you all into submission that a union is not needed on property to have growth. I hope you guys at Skywest can open your eyes and see this reality. You will be next.

100% Correct. Skywest pilots you are next. If Skywest, Inc. will do it to one pilot group, they will do it to another!

 

[joe_pilot]

How often have you heard a skywest pilot say we don't want those airframes.

I don't want those airframes.

 

[737 Pylt]

No the test is whether you are willing to fly airplanes that are being taken from pilots who are fighting to improve the profession. If you are an opportunistic person with a spinning moral compass, who would see a bleeding body in a ditch as a good place to look for a wallet to pick, hey, this could be your big chance to take someone else's job for less money.

Where have we seen that before??
737

 

[Shrek]

Hmmmm no clue?!

 

[SkyNation]

fins, you dissapoint me. I agree what is happening to you guys sucks. however, do you really think some guy who has been instructing, flying freight, traffic or whatever who has always wanted to fly for skywest should not go to this interview and pass up on his/her goal? do you really see this as 'opportunistic person with a spinning moral compass, who would see a bleeding body in a ditch as a good place to look for a wallet to pick'? sounds awfully harsh.

in all serious, I'd like to hear some intelligent discussion as to why ASA is in this position. if there is fault to assign, where does it go? if poor decisions were made, why were they? where would ASA be today had SkyWest not bought them?

lashing out at the pilot group and/or hopeul SkyWest pilots seems like misdirected anger at best.

 

[COOPERVANE]

So far, the Skywest pilots seem to be the epitamy of professionalism . I, for one, am glad to be aboard. good on ya'

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Sorry but Fins is just being an idiot. He's been under a lot of stress lately and probably needs some time off. Maybe during that mental health break he desperately needs he can catch up on some reading, perhaps a copy of Flying the Line. Then maybe he'd understand how idiotic the Lorenzo comparisons are. During that time off manybe Fins can have a beer or two with an old Eastern pilot or two that could spell it out for him.

I'm not sure how long Fins has been at ASA but I wonder if he started during the PFT days. Maybe someone should have been picketing those interviews. I wonder how many tears Fin shed for the DAL pilots as they were furloughed and DCI grew?

 

[SpyFlysDOTs]

Dave,

Don't forget to mention the current attrition rates. How SkyW took on a couple hundred UAL furloughees who have been and are being recalled currently. How many people senior to us are getting picked up at Air Tran, UPS, Fed Ex, SWA and other airlines. How many of these new hire pilot positions are from recent and future ones lost, vs expansion?

 

[JetDriver69ing]

Hey guys, I don’t mean to interrupt the mud slinging, but I am still wondering if anyone knows how this whole open house works. What should I expect and what should I wear? Also, on a side note, I know you guys at ASA are pissed about the whole situation with management taking airplanes (example: SLC) and then using future aircraft deliveries as nothing more than bargaining chips to play two separate and VERY PROFITABLE airline pilot groups against each other.

I am not planning on getting hired at SkyWest so I can just take it up the A$$ from Jerry Atkin and the rest of his St. George pillow biting crew either. Everyone knows that when SkyWest management is finished A$$ Raping hard working pilots trying to make a difference over at ASA by standing up for this profession they are going to try the same with their own pilot group. These guys are no better than criminals trying to swindle little old ladies out of their retirement money.

I just hope I am lucky enough to get hired so that I can be a part of the solution by helping SkyWest vote in a union so both ASA and SkyWest together can help stop the race to the bottom!

 

[SKYW Pilot]

I don't want those airframes! Give me a break... the last thing we want to do is screw over other pilots. We voted that stupid TA through years ago and it was supposed to be an 18 month agreement. (I voted it down for the record!) We got screwed on it, and it won't happen again.

And why are you ASA guys giving us such crap when a lot of you probably "bought" your jobs back in the day of PFT? How much do you think that hurt the profession?

The majority of our pilots are NOT happy to be seeing... a) growth at the regional level... and b) larger airplanes on the property when we're stuck with this 50-99 seat agreement. We are NOT "celebrating in the streets." We all have similar costs and we're all just along for the ride in so many ways. Feel free to picket our open house. I won't blame you a bit!

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I am not planning on getting hired at SkyWest so I can just take it up the A$$ from Jerry Atkin and the rest of his St. George pillow biting crew either. Everyone knows that when SkyWest management is finished A$$ Raping hard working pilots trying to make a difference over at ASA by standing up for this profession they are going to try the same with their own pilot group. These guys are no better than criminals trying to swindle little old ladies out of their retirement money.

Somebody got an "A" in their high school creative writing and drama classes.

Good luck in your interview. Hehehe.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Sorry but Fins is just being an idiot. He's been under a lot of stress lately and probably needs some time off. Maybe during that mental health break he desperately needs he can catch up on some reading, perhaps a copy of Flying the Line. Then maybe he'd understand how idiotic the Lorenzo comparisons are. During that time off manybe Fins can have a beer or two with an old Eastern pilot or two that could spell it out for him.

I'm not sure how long Fins has been at ASA but I wonder if he started during the PFT days. Maybe someone should have been picketing those interviews. I wonder how many tears Fin shed for the DAL pilots as they were furloughed and DCI grew?

Dave Benjamin:
You nailed it.
Besides, that seems to be the mantra over at the rjdc.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

RE: 90s

I've talked to a few guys about flying the 90s when they come, and they are of the same mindset as me: we caved for the 70s and since you've (mgmt) still not come to terms with the implications of the agreement, we cannot in good conscience fly the 90 for the same as the 50/70. It is time something gives, and that something should be SkyWest leadership in the form of additional compensation for the 90 or a revamp of the entire scale. The manpower being used on Zoltar (from what I gather the treatment of reserves) seems irrational, given the amount of reserve coverage we have among the larger issues. Granted it will only have 70 seats as configured, so mgmt will make that a sticking point, but we didn't intend to fly 90s solely to put 70 seats in them. For those who suggest we will be unable to avoid flying them since we're at the whim of the company anyhow, pipe down--the dynamics of the industry make no one single avenue to change best. If comparisons are to be made on an apples bases--at least with respect to seating capcity, then they should look at these 5 year CA rates: US Airways (EMB190), $86; Air Canada, $105 (converted, EMB); Jet Blue, $77; Mesa, $67. It would seem that a majority of the competition to which we'd be hired to fly against fly these at more than a 10 percent differential. That at least would be a starting point...

 

[Rick James]

I am not planning on getting hired at SkyWest so I can just take it up the A$$ from Jerry Atkin and the rest of his St. George pillow biting crew either. Everyone knows that when SkyWest management is finished A$$ Raping hard working pilots trying to make a difference over at ASA by standing up for this profession they are going to try the same with their own pilot group. These guys are no better than criminals trying to swindle little old ladies out of their retirement money.

I just hope I am lucky enough to get hired so that I can be a part of the solution by helping SkyWest vote in a union so both ASA and SkyWest together can help stop the race to the bottom!

Wow, how noble of you. I'm not sure I understand the "pillow biting crew" comment (I know what the phrase means). Be careful making statements like this as people have been pulled out of new hire groundschool for comments made on this site. We have our problems at SKW but rest assured I have never been "a$$raped".

 

[BigLebowski]

No the test is whether you are willing to fly airplanes that are being taken from pilots who are fighting to improve the profession. If you are an opportunistic person with a spinning moral compass, who would see a bleeding body in a ditch as a good place to look for a wallet to pick, hey, this could be your big chance to take someone else's job for less money.

ASA guys - what do you say we sign up for the "Open House" and show up in uniform with signs and the press in tow? Lets expose Lorenzo for who he is - I mean Atkin.

This is very interesting. Last week I got slammed from an ASA pilot because I was able to prove W2 wise with our benefits that we make more than you guys...not even mentioning our work rules and what a great place this is to be.

Let me make something clear to ASA...Skywest bought you. Just like American bought TWA, we owe you nothing. If Atkin didn't buy you you would probably be in a worse position than Comair.

Also, I find it interesting that you guys are thinking of these protesting our open houses...feeling that we should be interviewing you. Hey nothing is stopping you from going to an interview here. But I promise if you come in to the interview with the attittude you have now, you don't stand a chance. Wait nevermind, you have to have over 1000 hours to apply at SkyW, not like half of you 500 hour wonders at ASA.

I'm really tired of the ASA pilots bashing the SkyW pilot group. Atkin offered you several options to get those 900's and you refused all of them. BTW the 900's will be configured for 70 and 76 seats. I have friends over at ASA and I feel for them because you ALPA Nazi's are completely bringing down the morale of the pilot group. Rather than whining about everything why don't you come together, act like a professional and settle things civily.

Dont' thank me son, thank ALPA

 

[1x1]

That is very un-dude

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

For the record...was it ever really determined that the 90s were absolutely going to ASA, or was that all the conjecture made here based on the rumors? It would seem that no formal decision had been made to this point. Of course, SKYW management has been mum to us since the acquisition, so most of the information we get regarding anything related to the ASA side of the house comes from copies of memos posted here. While I would hate to knowing fly planes destined for others without due cause, without a 90-seat scale in your contract, these were not coming to you until that got hammered out, period. Now, unfortunately, our weak pay scale, and SAPAs inability to make any headway with BH on the issue (who, methinks, lacks the negotiating skills to effect mutually beneficial outcomes--saying "no" is not negotiating) makes this whole bigger aircraft on-property thing suck in the short term.

 

[jehtplane]

This is very interesting. Last week I got slammed from an ASA pilot because I was able to prove W2 wise with our benefits that we make more than you guys...not even mentioning our work rules and what a great place this is to be.

Let me make something clear to ASA...Skywest bought you. Just like American bought TWA, we owe you nothing. If Atkin didn't buy you you would probably be in a worse position than Comair.

Also, I find it interesting that you guys are thinking of these protesting our open houses...feeling that we should be interviewing you. Hey nothing is stopping you from going to an interview here. But I promise if you come in to the interview with the attittude you have now, you don't stand a chance. Wait nevermind, you have to have over 1000 hours to apply at SkyW, not like half of you 500 hour wonders at ASA.

I'm really tired of the ASA pilots bashing the SkyW pilot group. Atkin offered you several options to get those 900's and you refused all of them. BTW the 900's will be configured for 70 and 76 seats. I have friends over at ASA and I feel for them because you ALPA Nazi's are completely bringing down the morale of the pilot group. Rather than whining about everything why don't you come together, act like a professional and settle things civily.

Dont' thank me son, thank ALPA

Whoa dickhead, first of all Skywest airlines didn't buy shizzle, Skywest inc bought ASA, ASA is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Skywest Inc. JUST LIKE YOU. You are right the ASA pilot group did not accept the proposals to get the aircraft because the ASA pilot group is not a bunch of pussies like you. And no ASA pilot is thinking about protesting your open house because they want an interview with Skywest, it is because Skywest is hiring to replace ASA's pilot's. And yes the ASA pilot's were told by management that they were getting the 76 seaters when the SLC base closes ,of course that was before talks broke down, when ASA's leaders told them to shove their proposal up their arse, you know the proposal to get ASA 70 seat pay down to yours. I would certainly hope that every Skywest pilot does not think like you do, and I am sure they do not.

 

[BigLebowski]

Whoa dickhead, first of all Skywest airlines didn't buy shizzle, Skywest inc bought ASA, ASA is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Skywest Inc. JUST LIKE YOU. You are right the ASA pilot group did not accept the proposals to get the aircraft because the ASA pilot group is not a bunch of pussies like you. And no ASA pilot is thinking about protesting your open house because they want an interview with Skywest, it is because Skywest is hiring to replace ASA's pilot's. And yes the ASA pilot's were told by management that they were getting the 76 seaters when the SLC base closes ,of course that was before talks broke down, when ASA's leaders told them to shove their proposal up their arse, you know the proposal to get ASA 70 seat pay down to yours. I would certainly hope that every Skywest pilot does not think like you do, and I am sure they do not.

ASAs 70 rate down to our rates??? Man I keep repeating myself. Last week I got bashed and accused of bragging because SkyW pilots made more than ASA, today your pay rates are being brought down to ours.

Bunch of pussies just like us? How so? Can you explain to me how a pilot group has any say in anything management does? BTW last time I checked I believe SkyW has one of the highest 70 seat rates in the industry.

I know you and the rest of ALPA think you control the industry, but based on what is currently going on...I would say it's another one or "Worthless's" fascad.

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

Assuming there is growth beyond the 90s, i.e. on the side of United or in anticipation (knowledge of) another partner--afterall the 'ASA' planes represent only 60 pilots, of what good would picketing do in that matter? Do as you please surely, but I fail to see the impact that will have on your cause. You'd be better off taking out a full page ad in the SL Tribune (a la the Express Jet guys a few years ago), if you really suggest a voice.

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Whoa dickhead, first of all Skywest airlines didn't buy shizzle, Skywest inc bought ASA, ASA is now a wholly owned subsidiary of Skywest Inc. JUST LIKE YOU.

Skywest inc. didnt really exist until the purchase of ASA...that purchase was made by using SkyWest Airlines profits...created by SkyWest airlines employees.

 

[BigLebowski]

I just hope I am lucky enough to get hired so that I can be a part of the solution by helping SkyWest vote in a union so both ASA and SkyWest together can help stop the race to the bottom!

JetDriver 69 you are a complete f*cking moron. Vote in a union? Why don't you ask the ASA pilots how much the union has helped them with their contract and a/c.

Why don't you ask TSA pilots how ALPA has helped them get the G0Jet flying.

Why don't you ask the Delta pilots how much ALPA is helping them.

Why don't you ask TWA pilots all the good ALPA did for them

Why don't you ask the United Pilots all the ALPA did for them

Tell you what you need to do...stay away from here. Keep flying your 172 and preaching to your students what a wonderful pilot you are...meanwhile jacking yourself off.

You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.

yippe kayah...D1p********************.

Oh yeah almost forgot to mention. Hopefully you won't get an interview here but if you do, please for the dude...tell the interviewers how much you like ALPA.

Wait wait, I have a question...why would you even want to go to a company that you already are against because they are not union? Sounds like you need to quit whacking off to that ALPA magazine and get a life...maybe find some P*ssy.

 

[AdolphOlivrbush]

Hey guys, I don’t mean to interrupt the mud slinging, but I am still wondering if anyone knows how this whole open house works. What should I expect and what should I wear? Also, on a side note, I know you guys at ASA are pissed about the whole situation with management taking airplanes (example: SLC) and then using future aircraft deliveries as nothing more than bargaining chips to play two separate and VERY PROFITABLE airline pilot groups against each other.

I am not planning on getting hired at SkyWest so I can just take it up the A$$ from Jerry Atkin and the rest of his St. George pillow biting crew either. Everyone knows that when SkyWest management is finished A$$ Raping hard working pilots trying to make a difference over at ASA by standing up for this profession they are going to try the same with their own pilot group. These guys are no better than criminals trying to swindle little old ladies out of their retirement money.

I just hope I am lucky enough to get hired so that I can be a part of the solution by helping SkyWest vote in a union so both ASA and SkyWest together can help stop the race to the bottom!

Please don't interview with SkyWest. You sound like an idiot who doesn't even know what he's getting into. ALPA doesn't do crap, and we're not looking forward to adopting all of the problems that other carriers have because of the mgt vs. pilots battle. People actually get along here. We enjoy our jobs, the people, the aircraft (esp. the 13 from ASA and the 6 new 900s (thank you ALPA!!!). Just take your sorry arse elsewhere (if you don't know what to wear to a interview situation, you obviously don't have much common sense).

 

[suupah]

Wow, how noble of you. I'm not sure I understand the "pillow biting crew" comment (I know what the phrase means). Be careful making statements like this as people have been pulled out of new hire groundschool for comments made on this site. We have our problems at SKW but rest assured I have never been "a$$raped".

and how did they know who made the comments?