Skywest Open House

[jehtplane]

Please don't interview with SkyWest. You sound like an idiot who doesn't even know what he's getting into. ALPA doesn't do crap, and we're not looking forward to adopting all of the problems that other carriers have because of the mgt vs. pilots battle. People actually get along here. We enjoy our jobs, the people, the aircraft (esp. the 13 from ASA and the 6 new 900s (thank you ALPA!!!). Just take your sorry arse elsewhere (if you don't know what to wear to a interview situation, you obviously don't have much common sense).

Yes I am sure you do, and you too will take it in the arse from your lovely ,beloved JA. Oh wait you already have.

 

[AdolphOlivrbush]

That was pathetic.

 

[jehtplane]

That was pathetic.

You are an obvious flamer, enjoy them.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

That was pathetic.

I'd rather fly with him than you any day!

 

[Doberman]

Why do so many of you blame the unions for the failure of management and the hardships of the business. Just ask yourselves this......how much worse would all those ALPA companies be if they DIDN't have a union. Let me guess, all would be well and raises across the board.....or I know, maybe overnight changes in policy, bucket systems thar arn't in the agreement, BS 18 month "deal me the ace"?

The fact is ASA is being kicked around, robbed and drug through the mud........and guess what.........THEY STILL GET MORE THAN WE (SKYWEST) DO TO FLY THE 70 (AND SOON THE 90). HUMMMMMM

How you like them apples?

 

[rtmcfi]

BTW last time I checked I believe SkyW has one of the highest 70 seat rates in the industry.quote]

Time to check again...
On the FO side SkyWest is about fourth place in a 7 company race. On the captain side, make that 5 out of 7. Evidently, a number of union carriers have done better than SkyWest. Horizon Captains are making $22 per hour more.

Bash Unions all you want, but look at both sides. How bad is the Fed-Ex contract? How about UPS? What do you think of the SouthWest rates?
Hell, at the regional level, Horizon seems to have a reasonable contract.

Now, care to see where th crj-900 rates fit in to the picture?

 

[OARfan]

This is very interesting. Last week I got slammed from an ASA pilot because I was able to prove W2 wise with our benefits that we make more than you guys...not even mentioning our work rules and what a great place this is to be.

Let me make something clear to ASA...Skywest bought you. Just like American bought TWA, we owe you nothing. If Atkin didn't buy you you would probably be in a worse position than Comair.

Also, I find it interesting that you guys are thinking of these protesting our open houses...feeling that we should be interviewing you. Hey nothing is stopping you from going to an interview here. But I promise if you come in to the interview with the attittude you have now, you don't stand a chance. Wait nevermind, you have to have over 1000 hours to apply at SkyW, not like half of you 500 hour wonders at ASA.

I'm really tired of the ASA pilots bashing the SkyW pilot group. Atkin offered you several options to get those 900's and you refused all of them. BTW the 900's will be configured for 70 and 76 seats. I have friends over at ASA and I feel for them because you ALPA Nazi's are completely bringing down the morale of the pilot group. Rather than whining about everything why don't you come together, act like a professional and settle things civily.

Dont' thank me son, thank ALPA

13% paycuts, stripped of all aircraft deliveries and I'm supposed to believe we're better off under SkyWest? Funny. I'd rather be under Delta. And it's ALPA's fault JA wants a 13% paycut? It's because of ALPA that this is all happening? Thank god we have ALPA so at least I can do something about it! If people put the same amount of energy into helping ALPA as they do bitching about it on this board it might actually have some influence.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Unions are exactly what the represented group makes of them, plain and simple. If a union decides to play nice, develop a working, professional attitude with the company, unions are great. If they are greedy and resort to mud slinging, it will be hell. As a matter of fact, this works whether you are unionized or not. Im not sure why this is such a complicated idea, I think it is taught in kindergarden.

 

[pipers]

I am not planning on getting hired at SkyWest so I can just take it up the A$$ from Jerry Atkin and the rest of his St. George pillow biting crew either. Everyone knows that when SkyWest management is finished A$$ Raping hard working pilots trying to make a difference over at ASA by standing up for this profession they are going to try the same with their own pilot group. These guys are no better than criminals trying to swindle little old ladies out of their retirement money.

I just hope I am lucky enough to get hired so that I can be a part of the solution by helping SkyWest vote in a union so both ASA and SkyWest together can help stop the race to the bottom!

Ummm.....be sure to mention this in your interview when they ask "why Skywest." Your golden.

 

[L.Skywalker]

Maybe we can get back to the origional subject:"Skywest Open House", remember? so now, let me ask again: any word on the testing, written or otherwise(talking gouge), at the Los Angeles open house on the 28th?

Thank you kindly in advance.

 

[trachyte11]

The group in Denver yesterday was only a short HR. No written tests. If they want you, you pick a date in SLC off a calendar marked with interview dates.

 

[Sasquatch1]

No the test is whether you are willing to fly airplanes that are being taken from pilots who are fighting to improve the profession. If you are an opportunistic person with a spinning moral compass, who would see a bleeding body in a ditch as a good place to look for a wallet to pick, hey, this could be your big chance to take someone else's job for less money.

ASA guys - what do you say we sign up for the "Open House" and show up in uniform with signs and the press in tow? Lets expose Lorenzo for who he is - I mean Atkin.

Wow, Pilots fighting to improve the profession? Protecting the rights of guys who paid for their training by picketing a legitimate interview process. Great plan. To add more credibility to your movement, don't forget to mention how many of you jackasses failed the SkyWest interview you are planning to protest.

SkyWest pilots and especially potential new hires are not the source of your current train wreck. ASA strategy is not decided by SkyWest pilots. If you lose your job it is due to your management- end of story. It's pathetic that you refuse to take responsibilty for your own mess and blame antother pilot group.

Guys like ~~~^~~~ feel like they are the victims because they have nothing else going on in their lives other than a pathetic RJ line. SkyWest pilots owe you nothing. If you had gone to a real University or put your time in the military your back wouldn't be against the wall at the regional level.

 

[rjacobs]

Again, back to the original question. I am thinking about going to the SLC open house as I just got furloughed from TSA. How long does this thing last? I have found some flights to get me there in time for the 3:00 start but the two flights I have found to get home on the same day leave at 5:30 and 5:50. Will the SLC event be different from the others, like if they want to do a full interview since your already there would you just go ahead and do it then or would they still ask you to come back?

 

[Andy Neill]

Again, back to the original question. I am thinking about going to the SLC open house as I just got furloughed from TSA. How long does this thing last? I have found some flights to get me there in time for the 3:00 start but the two flights I have found to get home on the same day leave at 5:30 and 5:50. Will the SLC event be different from the others, like if they want to do a full interview since your already there would you just go ahead and do it then or would they still ask you to come back?

In reading between the lines, I hear you asking, "Will it be worth it to me to go to this thing?" That's a good question and you are considering a lot of factors. In addition, you want to minimize your expenses as you seek this job. I appreciate that because I have faced the same issues in various business deals I've pursued. If I may give you a light-hearted thing to consider, I offer the words of the Kingston Trio's next to last chart single, Desert Pete:

Desert Pete
I was travelin' west to Buckskin on my way to a cattle run,
'cross a little cactus desert under a hot blistering sun.
I was thirsty down to my toenails, stopped to rest me on a stump,
but I tell you I just couldn't believe it when I saw that water pump.

I took it to be a mirage at first. It'll fool a thirsty man.
Then I saw a note stuck in a bakin' powder can.
"This pump is old," the note began, "but she works. So give 'er a try.
I put a new sucker washer in 'er. You may find the leather dry.

Chorus:
You've got to prime the pump. You must have faith and believe.
You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive.
Drink all the water you can hold. Wash your face, cool your feet.
But leave the bottle full for others. Thank you kindly, Desert Pete.

Yeah, you'll have to prime the pump, work that handle like there's a fire.
Under that rock you'll find some water I left in a bitters jar.
Now there's just enough to prime it with, so don't you go drinkin' first.
You just pour it in and pump like mad, buddy, you'll quench your thirst.

Chorus

Well, I found that jar, and I tell you, nothin' was ever prettier to my eye
and I was tempted strong to drink it 'cause that pump looked mighty dry,
but the note went on, "Have faith, my friend, there's water down below.
You've got to give until you get. I'm the one who ought to know.

So I poured in the jar and started pumpin' and I heard a beautiful sound
of water bubblin' 'n' splashin' up out of that hole in the ground.
I took off my shoes and I drunk my fill of that cool refreshin' treat.
I thanked the Lord, and I thanked the pump, and I thanked old Desert Pete.

Chorus


You've got to ask yourself, "Do I drink the warm water that's here and not take a chance, or do I invest in this and myself for the payoff I'm seeking?" I know you don't want to be foolish and throw good money after bad, but it may be the best move you have ever made even if you have to spend a night in the hotel or whatever else you're avoiding.

Good luck.

 

[rjacobs]

Oh im not worried about spending money on a hotel if needed, what would that be 30 bucks or something. I still have my JS privledges so the ticket wont cost me anything. I was just wondering about if my flight timings would work out. Also does Skywest pay during training, hotel, perdiem, etc...

 

[~~~^~~~]

Again, back to the original question. I am thinking about going to the SLC open house as I just got furloughed from TSA.

Save yourself the travel and just apply at 6OJETS. Same idea, 70, to 90, seat jet being flown on another certificate beacause the pilots' pay is the lowest common factor.

The only minor difference is that pilots like Sausquatch turn around and look at their new jet, purchased with concessionary pay, full of pride.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Desert Pete

Chorus:
You've got to prime the pump. You must have faith and believe.
You've got to give of yourself 'fore you're worthy to receive.
Drink all the water you can hold. Wash your face, cool your feet.
But leave the bottle full for others. Thank you kindly, Desert Pete.

As I took my drink back to my hot CRJ,
two cowboys rode up - I think they were gay
They said we're from Salt Lake City and we earn less pay so we taking your fr'king water, be gone ASA

I invested my time and money in that broken down fountain
Just to be robbed by Pilots straight out of Brokeback Mountain

Good luck.

Why did you leave out the last verse?

 

[Andy Neill]

Newhires are paid 1.97 hrs per calendar day until IOE. Per Diem is not paid in ground school. Hotel is paid with double occupancy. You foot the bill for the difference if you want your own room.

 

[homerjdispatch]

Why did you leave out the last verse?

I dont know wether to laugh or get mad!

 

[rjacobs]

so basically about 60 hours a month pay during training? How is seniority determined-age or SSN?

 

[Peter Griffin]

SSN. Also, if you have trouble getting to the interview, they are understanding that you dont have a space positive ticket. I was worried when I interviewed and talked to someone and they said it happens all the time. They will accomodate you in the next session. I dont know how that changes with the group interviews, but if you dont make it because of a flight, its no big deal.

 

[SSDD]

People like Fins are so transparent and pathetic its almost funny. On one thread he blames ASA's problems on ALPA and their previous management. Here, he blames them on the Skywest pilots. Anything to avoid taking responsability.

Do you think that people don't read multiple threads and watch you jumping back and forth?

Eventually all of us are going to end up screwed in this deal, but the Skywest pilots are the least of your problems. You've been negotiating now for what, 4 years? Yet Skywest has only owned you for about 9 months. Somehow all the problems that you face today were caused by Jerry Atkin and the Skywest pilots.

This blame game is starting to wear real thin.

 

[~~~^~~~]

People like Fins are so transparent and pathetic its almost funny. On one thread he blames ASA's problems on ALPA and their previous management. Here, he blames them on the Skywest pilots. Anything to avoid taking responsability.

Do you think that people don't read multiple threads and watch you jumping back and forth?

Eventually all of us are going to end up screwed in this deal, but the Skywest pilots are the least of your problems. You've been negotiating now for what, 4 years? Yet Skywest has only owned you for about 9 months. Somehow all the problems that you face today were caused by Jerry Atkin and the Skywest pilots.

This blame game is starting to wear real thin.

OK - so Skywest pilots are blameless for setting one pay rate on 50 to 90 seat aircraft?

ASA pilots had (and have) the choice whether to match, or undercut, you. We choose not to do so. Is that taking responsibility enough?

 

[Crizz]

OK - so Skywest pilots are blameless for setting one pay rate on 50 to 90 seat aircraft?

ASA pilots had (and have) the choice whether to match, or undercut, you. We choose not to do so. Is that taking responsibility enough?

Why do people keep throwing out that 90 seat fallacy... doesnt DL scope preclude ANY flying being done at that level?

An airframe with 70 seats is an airframe with 70 seats -700 or -900 makes no difference.

Do you think the XJ rates reflect an 85 seat airplane or a 69 seat airplane?


Quit calling that thing a 90 seater when it has 70 seats. Its false.

 

[SSDD]

I don't want to appear that I agree with one rate, or with Ron Reber's idea of pilot compensation, but when you add up:

Scheduled or better-per leg, not look back.
2 for 1
Premium pay
Time and a half
Holiday pay
Profit sharing
Bonuses
Stock options
Full deadhead and cancellation pay...etc.,

Our paychecks are better than most regionals and even some LCC's.

And by the way our 50 seat rates are higher than yours.

And I know that it can all go away tomorrow, but so can any regional's that is dependent on a major for its income. And looking at the whole picture I like my odds better at Skywest than yours at ASA.

I know that dividing the pilot groups only plays into management's hands, but one can only sit here and take the constant $hit for so long.

Good luck to us all.

 

[737 Pylt]

People like Fins are so transparent and pathetic its almost funny. On one thread he blames ASA's problems on ALPA and their previous management. Here, he blames them on the Skywest pilots. Anything to avoid taking responsability.

Do you think that people don't read multiple threads and watch you jumping back and forth?

Eventually all of us are going to end up screwed in this deal, but the Skywest pilots are the least of your problems. You've been negotiating now for what, 4 years? Yet Skywest has only owned you for about 9 months. Somehow all the problems that you face today were caused by Jerry Atkin and the Skywest pilots.

This blame game is starting to wear real thin.

Its the typical rjdc attitude! They are so scared because the jig is up! They need to save face, having had 9 out of 10 claims thrown out of court. If they keep up this lollygagging, you know, pointing the finger everywhere but the mirror, then they can keep their supporters, thus the donations keep coming in to help their lawyer get his house in the Hamptons refurbushed!
737

 

[bobbyice]

You know, I really hate coming to this site because all of my friends at ACEY are such good guys. Then I have to come here and read what all the trash from your airline has to say. I take it with a grain of salt because you are such a small percentage of ASA. Dancing in the streets? Give me a f*****g break. I don't recall when ACEY came to SLC anyone posting what "whores" you guys were. Compare that to this.....

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=80787&highlight=WHORES

You guys need to get over yourselves. If you're that insecure, go find another profession.

 

[~~~^~~~]

You know, I really hate coming to this site because all of my friends at ACEY are such good guys.

I don't recall when ACEY came to SLC anyone posting what "whores" you guys were. Compare that to this.....

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=80787&highlight=WHORES

You guys need to get over yourselves. If you're that insecure, go find another profession.

So are you reccommending your friends find another profession because you are happy flying their airplanes for less, or is it that the refugees from the DFW base you infested are now no longer welcome?

How were the guys that came to SLC "whores" when they continued to do their flying for more than you got paid?

Again, we would win this fight by taking concessions - we choose not to do so.

 

[bobbyice]

So are you reccommending your friends find another profession because you are happy flying their airplanes for less, or is it that the refugees from the DFW base you infested are now no longer welcome?

How were the guys that came to SLC "whores" when they continued to do their flying for more than you got paid?

Again, we would win this fight by taking concessions - we choose not to do so.

Hmmmmm, I see your point. All these 'refugees' have 'infested' DFW. Oh yeah, that base is closed. Wow, a huge DAL hub that was taken over by RJ's. That had nothing to do with RJ's from ASA, It was the eeeeeeeeeeviiiiiiilllllllllll pilots from SKW who aren't based there any more. I am so ashamed!!!???

P.S. - Can someone remind me of the concessions that we took?

 

[bobbyice]

Hey, I remember when I was a kid, flying from ATL to JAN on Delta mainline in a 727, or DC-9. Now it's on an ASA CR7. Fins, why are you lowering the bar and taking jobs from Delta?