Skywest Lawsuit - Pilot wins!

[Poahi]

The far greater problem is that there are hundreds of pilots that were given the 'opportunity' to resign and didn't want to take the chance of fighting it. I'd bet there are 10 of those that were 'wrongly intimidated out' versus an unlawful termination.

 

[XPOO]

So, the lesson learned here is...if you vote in ALPA you can write F*CK FIZER on any company property you want, lie about it, and still keep your job and continue to call in fatigued for your whole crew? Well, sh!t, son......what's taken you guys so long?

 

[GuppyPuppy]

After almost 10 years at SkyWest all I can say is you have to be careful when you call in fatigued. The few times I did it I got mixed results. Twice I was chewed out and twice nothning happened. The guy that chewed me out twice was Robin Walls. He is a piece of work, so stay away from him. Both times my chief pilot backed me though.

I once read on the SAPA site a post from the current SAPA pres. that he suggests that you just call in sick instead of fatigued. From my experience this is probably a better option when Robin Walls is the MOD.

I once called in fatigued in the middle of the day when after a very short night in IYK (after a long day) and a very early departure we flew LAX-ONT. I completely missed a turn over a VOR and my F/O saved my butt. Then, on the return flight to LAX we were given a heading. Her leg. She blew right through the heading and neither one of us realized it until we were 40 degrees beyond the assigned heading.

Next two legs were LAX-SNA-LAX. Both of us called in fatigued and rested in the crew room until we felt better.

This happened during the daylight in VFR conditions.

No repurcussions whatsoever from SkyWest. Maybe they realized the schedule they built was "marginally" safe.

Anyway, glad to see Don got his job back.

GP

 

[PBRstreetgang]

ATRDRIVER,

This story seems to make the case against ALPA. The pilot sued and won. Don't get me wrong, I'm an ALPA supporter, but if you're going to imply, albeit sarcastically, that Skywest doesn't need a union, then how would ALPA have handled it differently?

Uhhhmmm,
They might have paid for it! Seems DD spent more than 150K of HIS own money. Thats right HIS OWN money. Do you have that kind of cash laying around? I know for a fact SKYW has close to a BILLION $ laying around, and still couldn't win this one. Thats how wrong they were, what if your case weren't as clearly wrong? How ya gonna ask your parents to mortgage their retirement to save your 19.23 hr job? Thats what I thought, they would die laughing and you would inherit it, nice plan!
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Don't you find it funny how this "judgement" comes out just as the SkyWest pilots are in the middle of a union vote? I mean, come on, it's fairly obvious this is a total ALPA ploy to get you to vote pro-union. How many times will the SkyWest pilots give ALPA an ace (in the form of a purple plywood board) until they wise up. Don't give in to the ALPA spin!

xpoop,
You really shouldn't be lobbying for ALPA so hard! If ALPA can pressure a federal judge into making a judgment right smack in the middle of their union drive, I want them on my side! Lets see, influence a federal judge hearing a case of wrongful termination of a pilot that they don't represent, and get him/her to make that decision public during their union drive only after finding him innocent and wrongly terminated! These guys are the ones for me, what power and influence!
You are too fukking stupid for words.
PBR
Go recheck the computer radar flics in the "dispatch center" toolbox!

 

[XPOO]

So in other words PBR, SkyWest pilots should vote no, and then make sure they start a case against SkyWest around another union drive and the ALPA representation will be free? I mean why pay for what you can get free, right? I feel totally safe knowing a judge can be pressured into siding with the plaintiff when a union organization says it's cool. What, did the teamsters threaten to kill his family? Good to know the mob isn't totally gone these days.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

So in other words PBR, SkyWest pilots should vote no, and then make sure they start a case against SkyWest around another union drive and the ALPA representation will be free? I mean why pay for what you can get free, right? I feel totally safe knowing a judge can be pressured into siding with the plaintiff when a union organization says it's cool. What, did the teamsters threaten to kill his family? Good to know the mob isn't totally gone these days.

Asssounding,
A non-critical thinking type, you are so stupid, I am amazed you are let out in public without an aid and a leash. Do you have to wear a styrofoam helmet when you stand up? You are out in public aren't you? I didn't think that the insane asylum had cable or DSL, who woulda thunk that the looney bin was hooked up to the internet, but you are the evidence, that it is!
PBR

 

[WalterSobchak]

A non-critical thinking type, you are so stupid.

Ummm, are YOU so stupid that you fail to understand sarcasm?

XPOO stirs the pot because you all take the bait...everytime. And it is entertaining as hell...

Yet you call him "stupid"?

 

[Morning Wood]

So, the lesson learned here is...if you vote in ALPA you can write F*CK FIZER on any company property you want, lie about it, and still keep your job and continue to call in fatigued for your whole crew? Well, sh!t, son......what's taken you guys so long?

Unless Don admited to you he did it (which I don't think he did), how would you know he's lying? Could have been any of about 900 pilots who wrote it.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

I agree. It is true that he had to pay his lawyer all up front, instead of 2% of his annual gross Skywest salary for 16 years. I wonder which would ultimately be cheaper?

I think this whole "all-dem non-ALPA carriers love to make you fly fatigued" is a red herring.

Your company manual is usually more restrictive than the FAR's, has the weight of FAR's, and pretty much all have the same boilerplate about not flying fatigued.

Lets see,
Lets assume DD was an EMB Captain for all of his 16 years(not likely) at SKYW and was making $80,000 per year.
$80,000 X 16 years= $1,280,000
ALPA dues .0195 per year.
1,280,000 X .0195 = $24,960
Quite a bit less than the 150K he spent on his lawsuit out of his own pocket.
Still wondering?
PBR

 

[XPOO]

PBR,

Still a little drunk after that game last night, huh? It's hard to tell, since you never make sense anyways. I see on CNN they caught you in NV, how the heck did you post bail already? But that's besides the point. Dare to make a wager on this Union drive, or do you want to just continue to use insults on each other until your 3 snappy comebacks are all used up?

 

[XPOO]

Unless Don admited to you he did it (which I don't think he did), how would you know he's lying? Could have been any of about 900 pilots who wrote it.

I didn't call him a liar, I was paraphrasing. Just like I did about saying he wrote it in the first place.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Ummm, are YOU so stupid that you fail to understand sarcasm?

XPOO stirs the pot because you all take the bait...everytime. And it is entertaining as hell...

Yet you call him "stupid"?

Yup, I call him stupid, because he is. He come here to stir the pot, using standard kool aid language. About issues he knows nothing about. You and him come here and spew $hit and display your ignorance about a subject you know nothing about. The kicker is you do this all the while sitting at a SKYW computer while you are at "work" Is BH paying you by the post or are you salary? xpoop is the next Dahmer, he just likes to troll the internet pi$$ing off people from a computer, just waiting till he can go home to his parents basement and torture small animals. He will graduate soon, to larger prey and soon after that be featured on the A&E channel. So go back to your computer and check the WX in the pac nw there are new guys who "need" your services.
PBR

 

[PBRstreetgang]

PBR,

Still a little drunk after that game last night, huh? It's hard to tell, since you never make sense anyways. I see on CNN they caught you in NV, how the heck did you post bail already? But that's besides the point. Dare to make a wager on this Union drive, or do you want to just continue to use insults on each other until your 3 snappy comebacks are all used up?

xPoop,
Yup, a tall water glass of gin and a keyboard are my preference for entertainment! Reading the infantile rantings of a dispatcher make it everything it's cracked up to be! I hear Wally S. is getting paid by BH, per post I hope you are getting at least as much as he is getting. A hint, he gets cash, your tips from BH that the animal shelter is adopting out animals isn't quite the same. Ya see drunk and drooling is really the only way I can understand your stupidity.
PBR

 

[XPOO]

Your ALPA sex threads are so one sided they're starting to resemble a gay orgy. I'm just here to inject some testosterone into you ladies' little love fest.

 

[120% Torque]

Lets see,
Lets assume DD was an EMB Captain for all of his 16 years(not likely) at SKYW and was making $80,000 per year.
$80,000 X 16 years= $1,280,000
ALPA dues .0195 per year.
1,280,000 X .0195 = $24,960
Quite a bit less than the 150K he spent on his lawsuit out of his own pocket.
Still wondering?
PBR

Care to address this Soverytired? The best? Skynation? xpoo?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Your ALPA sex threads are so one sided they're starting to resemble a gay orgy. I'm just here to inject some testosterone into you ladies' little love fest.

Gay orgy? You are "just here to inject some testosterone" Sounds kinda gay to me! Lemme see if I understand, you go to "gay orgies" to inject testosterone? Thats what I thought, Mr Dahmer.
PBR

 

[XPOO]

Yup, you just confirmed that you can't even read. I figured as much just judging from the way you write.

 

[XPOO]

Purely as a different point of view on the subject, and not to be taken as fact, or even taken as an implied fact, I submit you the following, Torque:

Captain DD, out for vengence to begin with, takes SkyWest to court in an attempt at a setllement thinking SkyWest wont want to put up with the negative press he thinks he can create. SkyWest fights instead and now Captain DD is locked into either fighting until his final appeal or stop and conceed that it was him that lied in the first place.

 

[bizzum]

XPOO, Just curious, why does a dispatcher care if the pilots vote in ALPA or not?

 

[XPOO]

As I have stated many a time on this forum, I don't care. And I don't spout rhetoric. I've just been labeled a management lackey because I can't just sit there and watch all those ALPA supporters call out managements spins and tout their own words as gospel not to be questioned. Hypocrissy runs rampant on the both sides.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

As I have stated many a time on this forum, I don't care. And I don't spout rhetoric. I've just been labeled a management lackey because I can't just sit there and watch all those ALPA supporters call out managements spins and tout their own words as gospel not to be questioned. Hypocrissy runs rampant on the both sides.

As stated before, he gets paid by BH per post. The only thing he spouts is rhetoric, is a management lackey, otherwise why would he be posting on things "he doesn't care about" SKYW St George is starting to panic since the "A" team has flubbed the anti-alpa drive, the "D" team trolls have been drafted to swing from the benches, and watching them swing from the corporate benches(dispatch computer consoles), is humorous. Swing away "Benchwarmers".
PBR
Too bad Jon Lovitz isn't on your team, I think SAG has his back.

 

[XPOO]

Well at least I'm the first so-called "Management lackey" to admit he works in the OCC, this gives everyone with a thinking brain to ability to either credit what I say or not without you having to come in trying to act like their savior scaring them into thinking I get paid by management to state my own opinion about things. Are you thinking before you post, at all?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Well at least I'm the first so-called "Management lackey" to admit he works in the OCC, this gives everyone with a thinking brain to ability to either credit what I say or not without you having to come in trying to act like their savior scaring them into thinking I get paid by management to state my own opinion about things. Are you thinking before you post, at all?

I think you are too stupid to work in aviation, but you don't do you? Paid by the post? Yup!
PBR

 

[XPOO]

I sure wish I was, but they said I already made more money than half the pilots to begin with.

 

[Soverytired]

Lets see,
Lets assume DD was an EMB Captain for all of his 16 years(not likely) at SKYW and was making $80,000 per year.
$80,000 X 16 years= $1,280,000
ALPA dues .0195 per year.
1,280,000 X .0195 = $24,960
Quite a bit less than the 150K he spent on his lawsuit out of his own pocket.
Still wondering?
PBR

Using your numbers, assume that 2% of 80k per year was invested in a tax sheltered 401 (k) that grew at 9% annually starting at age 30 and ending at age 65 (cuz we all know the age 65 rule is coming).


NO 2% Dues (you keep and invest): [SIZE=-1]$359,152

vs.

With 2% Dues (for ALPA) : $0


I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do. But just like "free" Canadian health care, it ain't free.

You pay for it. Every. Single. Check. For your whole career, whether you use it or not.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

That 2% is a HUGE lost opportunity over the cost of a lifetime.




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[GuppyPuppy]

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I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

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So, you think insurance (home, health, auto) isn't worth it because you probably won't use it's benefits anyway? What if you do need those benefits? What if you happen to need them soon after joining the plan?

I think it is cheap insurance to help you keep a decent paying job. Just my opinion.

GP

 

[Soverytired]

So, you think insurance (home, health, auto) isn't worth it because you probably won't use it's benefits anyway? What if you do need those benefits? What if you happen to need them soon after joining the plan?

I think it is cheap insurance to help you keep a decent paying job. Just my opinion.

GP

No, I think health, auto, and home insurance are great ideas. I shop around constantly to get the best value for my dollar.

I don't think ALPA legal services are "cheap" in any way, shape or form though. When I turn 65 I'll have over 1/3 of a million extra in the bank to blow on beer and strippers and to leave to my 50 cats.

You'll have no $$$ from that 2%, but you'll have had "peace of mind" for 35 years. And maybe, (though statistically unlikely), you'll have actually used their legal services.

That's completely your choice, and I respect that.

What I don't like is when a crap union like ALPA gets it's hooks into a pilot group and forces everyone to pay. You'll note that I pick out "ALPA" . . I'm NOT anti-union, but after a decade of failure, I just can't believe ANYONE would go with that outfit.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Using your numbers, assume that 2% of 80k per year was invested in a tax sheltered 401 (k) that grew at 9% annually starting at age 30 and ending at age 65 (cuz we all know the age 65 rule is coming).


NO 2% Dues (you keep and invest): [SIZE=-1]$359,152

vs.

With 2% Dues (for ALPA) : $0


I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do. But just like "free" Canadian health care, it ain't free.

You pay for it. Every. Single. Check. For your whole career, whether you use it or not.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

That 2% is a HUGE lost opportunity over the cost of a lifetime.




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Now use your numbers to figure out how much more you'd have after 35 years in a tax sheltered 401K that grew at 9% using the $150,000 it cost DD out of his own pocket...and while you're at it, assume that you're smart enough to write that 2% you keep throwing out there, off on your taxes!!!

 

[120% Torque]

Using your numbers, assume that 2% of 80k per year was invested in a tax sheltered 401 (k) that grew at 9% annually starting at age 30 and ending at age 65 (cuz we all know the age 65 rule is coming).


NO 2% Dues (you keep and invest): [SIZE=-1]$359,152

vs.

With 2% Dues (for ALPA) : $0


I don't disagree that ALPA may provide a legal service; clearly they do. But just like "free" Canadian health care, it ain't free.

You pay for it. Every. Single. Check. For your whole career, whether you use it or not.

I think the VAST majority of pilots will never need it, and would be better served if they used that money as they saw fit. Dumping it into ALPA coffers "just in case" seems a poor allocation of personal resources.

That 2% is a HUGE lost opportunity over the cost of a lifetime.
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And after that compare how much more a friend of mine made flying for the majors, compounded with interest, after he had some issues with an EKG and heart readings that were "abnormal", resolved with the FAA? He did this with the help of Alpa Aeromedical and an exhaustive campaign by a host of very expensive doctors paid for by Alpa. Please also note this pilot had these problems while flying for a small regional at the time, with low pay and could never have afforded the specialists to do this on his own. Without Alpa, he likely would have had to pull the plug on aviation altogether losing tens of thousands of dollars invested early in his career for training, not to mentions years of time (time is money). Lets us know how much all this was worth factoring in the time value of money and lets see where we stand? If you guess within $100 dollars then this showcase showdown is yours along with your neihbors.

PS- peace of mind is worth alot more than you are giving it credit for.