Skywest FA makes Guy Pi$$ his Pants

[John Pennekamp]

Who said anything about going on the radio and declaring an emergency? It is an internal procedure. There is a lot of reading between the lines when dealing with regs. All you have to do is: Let the guy use the lav, which everyone knows is a working lav. Get back to base. Fill out an ASAP: "the guy was desperate, possibly becoming disruptive. We felt the best course was to let him use the lav, despite the fact that the light was burnt out." Problem solved. If the co. agrees, new guidance is written. If they disagree, then they let the pilot know. Everyone moves on, no one is hurt.

I agree that would be a wise and reasonable course of action.

 

[belchfire]

I agree that would be a wise and reasonable course of action.

Yeah, right...management being wise and reasonable...I guess that's why Don Carty got a $62 Million dollar payout after beating down the AA unions! And some people act like JO is loaded with cash-jeeze! JLO is small potatoes compared to the real pros. He just likes to pretend otherwise with his motorcycle collection. If he was a real man he would collect matchlocks, art, gullwing Mercedes(s) and a Duesenberg or two!

Think of the money he could have made on Wall Street if he hadn't stepped on his crank being a petty thief!

 

[trip]

BOI-SLC is 40min in the air max, probably why this A/C was doing this flight. This guy must have had a problem. I allways make sure the F/A understands that the lav can be used in emergency's. Leave several bottles of water in there for that.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Yeah, right...management being wise and reasonable...I guess that's why Don Carty got a $62 Million dollar payout after beating down the AA unions! And some people act like JO is loaded with cash-jeeze! JLO is small potatoes compared to the real pros. He just likes to pretend otherwise with his motorcycle collection. If he was a real man he would collect matchlocks, art, gullwing Mercedes(s) and a Duesenberg or two!

Think of the money he could have made on Wall Street if he hadn't stepped on his crank being a petty thief!

Well, I was actually referring to the person I was replying to in his solution to a bad hand management ineptitude dealt him. But I don't disagree with you in your point.

 

[flyingfool]

How about replace the friggin' lightbulb insead of deferring the whole lav?

It wasn't the FA that made him piss his pants it was the Cpt. If they didn't turn the seatbelt sign off in flight because the lav was inop due to a light then it must have been broken before they left. So He didn't call MX control and reset the circuit breaker, which works every time, or he could have mx change the light bulb. It was one of those we'll fix it salt lake things and now a guy pissed his pants. Reset the circuit breaker homo!

 

[erj-145mech]

Who wrote it up at an outstation with no MX? It still takes some one with authority to release it for service after you reset the breaker to clear the MEL. If you cannot MEL it, then the aircraft is unairworthy until it is repaired. That is in the FAR'S, and the CA has no authority to over ride this. Read block 13 on the airworthiness certificate. It is only valid if the aircraft is maintained in accordance with the FAR's, and thats where the MEL comes into play.

Any CA who blately disregards a MEL is totally unprofessional and deserves to be disqualified as a CA. It doesn't matter what that MEL is. Somebody with a higher paygrade and responsibility came up with this system, the CA's boss bought off on it, and it is policy. If you don't agree with the system, you are officially a "Cowboy", and should seriously consider another line of employment.

 

[Corbon]

I like the MEL's that give some some discretion to the captain as to whether the item can be used as is. Unfortunately, many times that discretion isn't part of the MEL. It either works perfectly or it's completely broke, according to the FAA. However, a crewmember can't be watching everyone all the time. Maybe the FA could have discreetly said "I understand your bladder is about to pop but the lav is not to be used...however, I'm going to go up to the galley and do some cleaning. I'll be back in 5 minutes. You'd better be in your seat..wink wink."

As far as ASAP, I'm under the impression that whatever it is you report cannot be intentional. I'd be afraid letting someone use an "inoperative" lav could be seen as a blatant disregard for the MEL and therefore not being accepted as an ASAP report. Now your protection is gone AND the FAA knows what you did.

 

[crashpad]

I would sue the living $hit out of Skyworst for this!!! And the pathetic excuse of a stewardess, too.

 

[MEL'ed]

"He closed the bag and laid it on the seat beside him."
How about ringing the call button and getting her to bring a trashbag to get rid of the bag. I know she doesn't want to mess with it, but it would have been a worse situation than just an inop lav if it fell off the seat. God forbid if he would have just left it on the seat as trash when he deplaned.

 

[Morning Wood]

A little common sense and CRM goes a long way folks. If the guy asked that many times, why didn't the F/A ask the captain to shut the seat belt sign off and let him use the lav? I honestly think if they had done that and then called the MOD and Inflight MOD when they got to SLC saying what they did, that would have been the end of it. This same thing happened about a year ago with a little kid that wasn't allowed to use the lav and he pissed all over a blanket and the seat. Does that sound like the best solution?

Instead, this has to turn into calling the cops and having the guy sue the airline.

 

[John Pennekamp]

If the gate agents kept the drunks off the planes, we wouldn't have people pissing in airsickness bags in the first place!

 

[JimNtexas]

As a person with a short range bladder my sympathies are entirely with the passenger.

I'm not going to rupture my bladder just to show my respect for your authority.

If you won't let me in the lav, then something on your airplane is going to absorb my urine.

 

[John Pennekamp]

As a person with a short range bladder my sympathies are entirely with the passenger.

I'm not going to rupture my bladder just to show my respect for your authority.

If you won't let me in the lav, then something on your airplane is going to absorb my urine.

Oooo you really told us. I've heard the F111 has a large and luxurious lav. Dork.

 

[jws717]

Why get the guy arrested? People pee and take dumps on the Beech and Metro liners all the time, those bags get used alot.

 

[Crossky]

Who wrote it up at an outstation with no MX? It still takes some one with authority to release it for service after you reset the breaker to clear the MEL. If you cannot MEL it, then the aircraft is unairworthy until it is repaired. That is in the FAR'S, and the CA has no authority to over ride this. Read block 13 on the airworthiness certificate. It is only valid if the aircraft is maintained in accordance with the FAR's, and thats where the MEL comes into play.

Any CA who blately disregards a MEL is totally unprofessional and deserves to be disqualified as a CA. It doesn't matter what that MEL is. Somebody with a higher paygrade and responsibility came up with this system, the CA's boss bought off on it, and it is policy. If you don't agree with the system, you are officially a "Cowboy", and should seriously consider another line of employment.

I wanted to respond seriously to you but I thought ridicule would work better . . .

Adapted from Jon BonJovi's 80's pop-metal MTV classic:

"Yea, I'm a COWBOY
On an aluminum horse I ride
wanted (wanted) broken stuff to write

Yea the schedule is tight
25 minute turns
no time for lunch
on both ends the candle burns

We got broken knobs and sticky trims
loose yoke clips and bad overhead bins
We'd write it up but we just don't have time
and at the hub, the swapping crew would whine

Pros find a way
to try to please everyone
if we wrote everything up right now
the airline wouldn't run

Yea, I'm a COWBOY
I don't see in black and white
don't call me dangerous
for yellow and red messages we'll fight"

 

[flyingfool]

Who wrote it up at an outstation with no MX? It still takes some one with authority to release it for service after you reset the breaker to clear the MEL. If you cannot MEL it, then the aircraft is unairworthy until it is repaired. That is in the FAR'S, and the CA has no authority to over ride this. Read block 13 on the airworthiness certificate. It is only valid if the aircraft is maintained in accordance with the FAR's, and thats where the MEL comes into play.

Any CA who blately disregards a MEL is totally unprofessional and deserves to be disqualified as a CA. It doesn't matter what that MEL is. Somebody with a higher paygrade and responsibility came up with this system, the CA's boss bought off on it, and it is policy. If you don't agree with the system, you are officially a "Cowboy", and should seriously consider another line of employment.

SHUTUP! DORK!!!!!!!!!! Did you get kicked around at school a lot when you were younger?

 

[405]

If the gate agents kept the drunks off the planes, we wouldn't have people pissing in airsickness bags in the first place!

Agents want all those people at the gate away from them so do you think they care how impaired one passenger is before he/she gets on your little plane? Nope.

If the airports didn't have bars people wouldn't be getting drunk! What do you do now? Make all passengers blow in a breathalyzer before getting on a plane? Ban bars! Ban restaurants too. Sodas and water make people pee too.

I wish we'd just go back to trains. Everyone seems so goddamed miserable now with air travel. Pilots are pissed, passengers are pissed and employees are pissed. I'm pissed as a dispatcher having to dispatch airplanes that are MEL'd to death because my cheap ass airline won't fix the plane until they absolutely have to fix it.

Traveling by air is miserable. All it is now is herd on, herd off. Customer service is a dead art.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

If the gate agents kept the drunks off the planes, we wouldn't have people pissing in airsickness bags in the first place!

STFU Peniskramp. What? Should the gate agents not allow kids that can't hold it either? Yes that drunk shouldn't have been on the flight, but what if a kid that can't hold it is on your plane. Your gonna let him piss all over the seat?

Reading your post leaves no doubt that you are a pussie. Why would you get canned for letting a guy not use the pisser? You sound like one of those pussies that feel that are walking on egg shells.

 

[trachyte11]

If you let them up to use a deffered lav, and a fed wrote you up for this, they deserve to be shot. Or at least physically hurt. Turn the damn seatbelt sign off next time.

 

[crashpad]

If the gate agents kept the drunks off the planes, we wouldn't have people pissing in airsickness bags in the first place!

I don't drink and used to pee in the sick sacks all the time. You want to know more....ok, then I'd dump them on the ramp in protest of flying planes without lavs. Fond memories indeed. I'm with JimNtexas. Oh, and show some respect for the military, melonhead!