Skywest/Expressjet/Continental

[Medeco]

How's this any different than wanting Mesa to disappear. No hard feeling for express jet but come on that branded flying is a lost cause.

Thats very easy, express jet raised the bar on pay for all regional pilots.

Mesa has always done the opposite.

MESA SUCKS!

The branded flying was the idea of management not pilots, express jet pilots have a right to have pride in who the work for.

Medeco

 

[erj-145mech]

Skyw will be doing the flying;however, the reason for the purchase attempt is to get the options on the e170/75 that XJET has.

What part of your a$$ did you pull that out of?
XJT does not have any options on anything larger than 50 seats. CAL's scope will not allow any one else to operate a jet over 50 certified seats in their system.

 

[Superpilot92]

For the last time XJT doesn't own their aircraft they lease them!!!! There's nothing to buy!

Whats the point? Most companies dont buy their aircraft anymore. That helps keep debt down not to mention that keeps the carriers the regionals fly for from completely screwing them. CAL CXs flying XJT COULD dump the leases on CAL or as long as they keep paying the leases they are XJT airplanes to be used for whatever they want. Its a good thing XJT doesnt OWN 274 50 seaters.

 

[Nevets]

SkyWest does do at-risk flying for both Delta and United, if you really want to get technical. Delta and United provide the reservations and the codeshare, but SkyWest does the marketing and pays the fuel.

FYI, XJT does as well. They have 14 aircraft doing it for DAL. I think the deal is similar to what SKW does with DAL.

 

[Nevets]

For the last time XJT doesn't own their aircraft they lease them!!!! There's nothing to buy!

For the last time XJT has over $500 million in total assets (this doesn't include aircraft leases)!

 

[flyboyzz1]

What part of your a$$ did you pull that out of?
XJT does not have any options on anything larger than 50 seats. CAL's scope will not allow any one else to operate a jet over 50 certified seats in their system.

I'm pretty sure they have options for 50 seaters but EMB has told them they can use them for bigger aircraft

 

[I_Love_Lamp]

For the last time XJT has over $500 million in total assets (this doesn't include aircraft leases)!

Where do you figure the bulk of this comes from? The paint shop in Saltillo isn't worth more than $50M... And otherwise, that's a lot of GPUs

 

[BigLebowski]

Please. It's funny how Skywest is the bad guys for "blowing their loads at the prospect of a contract with Continental" but every time Express Jet get's more Delta flying out of SLC your pilots are all "blowing their loads" over the prospect of more flying with Delta at Skywest expense. What a bunch of hypocrites. Pathetic.

Thank you. I don't remember seeing any of you XJet monkey's on here complaining when you undercut ASA in LAX and "stole" their flying.

Our CEO put in a fair offer, and with that offer it would save your jobs. The parts of your contract that Jerry and our management doesn't like has nothing to do with pay or QOL issues so bag that one please.

We offered you 63% more for your stock than it was worth. Common sense...if you were selling your car for 10,000 and someone offered you 16,300...what would you do?

 

[yellowfever]

Thank you. I don't remember seeing any of you XJet monkey's on here complaining when you undercut ASA in LAX and "stole" their flying.

Our CEO put in a fair offer, and with that offer it would save your jobs. The parts of your contract that Jerry and our management doesn't like has nothing to do with pay or QOL issues so bag that one please.

We offered you 63% more for your stock than it was worth. Common sense...if you were selling your car for 10,000 and someone offered you 16,300...what would you do?

In my opinion, that is a simple and poor comparison.

 

[Superpilot92]

Thank you. I don't remember seeing any of you XJet monkey's on here complaining when you undercut ASA in LAX and "stole" their flying.

Our CEO put in a fair offer, and with that offer it would save your jobs. The parts of your contract that Jerry and our management doesn't like has nothing to do with pay or QOL issues so bag that one please.

We offered you 63% more for your stock than it was worth. Common sense...if you were selling your car for 10,000 and someone offered you 16,300...what would you do?

ASA wasnt undercut they were in place in LAX until the XJT aircraft were available from the CAL system. Feel free to prove me wrong by posting the bid amount by XJT and ASA for that flying, Monkey!

 

[ATRCA]

The SKW mgt will learn soon enough what the CHQ mgt team has finally picked up on.

THERE WILL BE NO flying for anything larger than 50 seat a/c under the CAL brand. CAL recently announced that it was canceling service to DAB. They are reducing RJ capacity, not adding it. SKW will most likely do CAL flying, it will however not be on the scale that XJT does. Nor will XJT frankly ever operate a fleet as large as they do not for CAL.

All this pissing and moaning is about a small contract to operate these RJ's few a few years. My guess is SKW will operate perhaps 50 ERJ's, XJT will operate 50 or so and the Q400's will keep coming. The 73's have recently been put back on markets like CMH, BWI, DCA, RDU and many others that used to be nothing but RJ's.

The RJ market is in big trouble. Their future is very limited, ie no great expansion.
In a few years SKW will be parking these things in the desert in numbers.

 

[ATRCA]

Shouldn't you be on the "Monday Morning CEO" or the "CEO Wannabe" forum? You're an aircraft jockey, right?

Do you have any questions about actually operating an airline? Perhaps I could help you out with comprehending the whole "Airline CEOs could care less what the pilots think."

Thats funny. I have worked many different jobs in aviation. I have a dispatch certificate. I dispatched for a couple of years actually. Real a/c though. No "puddle jumpers." Only ETOPS widebodies. You know what I learned? Dispatching SUXS!!

Nobody wants to visit your cubicle office clown. No one cares about "behind the scenes."

 

[Klr2land]

All you "Skyworst pogues" keep rubbing your pathetic little peckers while you steal XJT's flying for CAL but there's one problem with your wet dream: S-C-O-P-E.
So, your Bombardier POS may be a winner elsewhere, but it won't be in CAL colors.


SMOE started the name calling with this "Skyworst pogues" numnuts. Looks like this is the best he can do. But thanks for joining in his defense, SuperPuss. Shouldn't you be getting your resume ready?

This coming from someone who started off the post calling him a name

Thanks for the Laughs

SMOE thanks for calling him out he deserved it.

 

[Nevets]

Where do you figure the bulk of this comes from? The paint shop in Saltillo isn't worth more than $50M... And otherwise, that's a lot of GPUs

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1144331/000114433108000032/xjt10q033108final.htm

 

[justthewife]

So, a few XJET pilots try to post the truth, using facts and rationality, and we get called "idiots." Or, otherwise ridiculed for having "small brains." Well, okay, you Skywest pilots have proved what I have long thought to be true. The amount of vitriol directed at me, and at the rest of the people who try to post the FACTS is telling about the spirit of your pilot group.

The classic comment which I hear all the time from you Skywesters is, "I don't want Xjet to go out of business, or for people to lose their jobs, BUT...." Yeah, right. Then why are you all so insistent on slinging mud, saying we "stole" ASA's flying, saying our company is only worth about half what Jerry offered to buy it for, etc., when the facts don't support this?

Having spent a lot of time in Salt Lake City, and getting to know several Skywest pilots, I thought they were the anomalies- mindless, spineless, blindly-following fools. I can't tell you how many times Skywesters said to me "We don't need a contract. Jerry is an honorable guy. He's a Mormon. He'd never screw us over." Oh yeah, how's that 1% raise? How do you like training on your days off? Isn't it nice to know you could be fired for refusing to fly fatigued?

So, who would he screw over? How about Delta? Think about how you got 450 million in the bank-- certainly helps when Delta pays for your fuel. Think about the 20-something year contract you got with Delta when they were desperate for cash and sold ASA. Don't you think maybe that was screwing over Delta-forcing them into a deal that might not have been in their best interest simply because they needed the cash? But wait, you say, that was just "business."

Those are just things to think about. I don't want your comments or rebuttals, I just want you to THINK FOR YOURSELVES for once. XJET getting rid of its scope at the hands of Jerry Atkin will be bad for the entire profession.

And for those who say I have an axe to grind, well I don't know quite how to respond. First, I'm a Mormon convert. So, that can't be it. But, I do find what I've been reading on this board about the Skywest-XJET-Continental debacle sickening, and your attitudes make me sad for humanity.

Oh yeah, XJT's stock status was changed to "buy" today. Wall Street doesn't seem to think we're going under!

Lest you think I'm spouting Kool-Aide-as I've been accused- I don't even work for XJET.

 

[erikgigem]

For the last time XJT has over $500 million in total assets (this doesn't include aircraft leases)!

What matters is cash on hand, unless XJT plans to liquidate their entire company of $500 million in assets.

As of Dec 31, 2007, XJT reported $189 million in cash. They just reported a loss of $31.31 million in the 1st quarter - leaving now their cash on hand at $158. Google Financial reports their market capitol is at $159.81 Million at $3.08 a share. Tough times for the entire industry..

SOURCE: PR NEWSWIRE
http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/05-05-2008/0004806855&EDATE=

 

[Turtlesfly]

nobody on this topic yet has posted the obvious problem is that XJT scope won't allow this sale anyways.

We would have to integrate our seniority lists with Skywest's within 9 months, and they don't want that - JA even said in that letter that they will consider that section "null and void" in order for a deal to go through.

Well obviously the XJT pilots won't approve that. So tell me why we're still discussing this?

 

[Superpilot92]

I just want to clarify that i am a huge pu$$y thats likes to hide behind PMs until i am called out. Sorry that i am such a Toolbox :blush: Hey thanks for coming clean :laugh:


SMOE started the name calling with this "Skyworst pogues" numnuts. Looks like this is the best he can do. But thanks for joining in his defense, SuperPuss. Shouldn't you be getting your resume readyWhy would i be doing that? I am not going anywhere else. Thanks for the career guidance but i think i am doing just fine on my own and you're the last person i want "career" advice from LMAO ?

What i dont get a PM? :uzi:Klr2takeitNtheA!! :smash:

 

[flyboyzz1]

Lot of winners on this thread!

 

[flyboyzz1]

here's something productive...can a xjt or anyone else please explain the non-hub clause. I don't understand or I guess I haven't read much about it...lets try to not fight about this one eh