Skywest/Expressjet/Continental

[rtmcfi]

This just came out like 5 seconds ago on SWOL and you are already blabing it on FI.com. I wouldn't have posted that if I were you. Why would you post internal company info on here? I know you love SkyWest, but have some common sense man.

He is doing just what CC wished. He wants he expressjets folks to see this. This is nothing but a scare tactic. CC is firing a shot over Exressjet managements heads. "Play ball, or we will operate your jets for CO!"

D you reall think SkyWest wants to add a third fleet type?

 

[cfi_greg]

Please. It's funny how Skywest is the bad guys for "blowing their loads at the prospect of a contract with Continental" but every time Express Jet get's more Delta flying out of SLC your pilots are all "blowing their loads" over the prospect of more flying with Delta at Skywest expense. What a bunch of hypocrites. Pathetic.

True dat. Can't we all just get along. Nah people get shot for saying that sh$t

 

[XPOO]

Shouldn't you be on the "Private Pilot" or "Pilot Wannabe" forum? You're a dispatcher right..??

Do you have any questions about actually flying airplanes. Perhaps I could help you out with the whole pitch/power thingy.

Shouldn't you be on the "Monday Morning CEO" or the "CEO Wannabe" forum? You're an aircraft jockey, right?

Do you have any questions about actually operating an airline? Perhaps I could help you out with comprehending the whole "Airline CEOs could care less what the pilots think."

 

[SMOE]

I'm not sure if you understand CAL's scope. No commuter airline will fly any jet for us with over 50 seats per POS '02. Only turboprops may be over 50 seats and hopefully we can lock that door come contract 2010.

Oops! 50's even better! I'm pretty optimistic that we'll fix that one.
Too bad most RJ pilot groups don't understand that more/bigger RJ feed means fewer mainline jobs for them to move up to...

 

[rudder]

great facts

but you are wrong. Overall, 170/190s are better than the crj pos. Why do you think Air Canada chose E170-190s over crj?

have a nice day:beer:

Wrong.

AC did not 'choose' the EMB175. They chose the EMB190 for the 90-seater (mainline) and the CRJ705 for the 75-seater (Jazz). They ended up with 16 CRJ705's and 15 EMB175's due to a complicated scope conflict arbitration.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Wrong.

AC did not 'choose' the EMB175. They chose the EMB190 for the 90-seater (mainline) and the CRJ705 for the 75-seater (Jazz). They ended up with 16 CRJ705's and 15 EMB175's due to a complicated scope conflict arbitration.

If I understand correctly, the -705 is just a CRJ900 that is only certified for 75 seats. Bombardier apparently went out of their way to certify this version of the -900 for 75 as a work around on the scope conflict so they could secure the Air Canada order.

The EMB170/175/190...as far as pax comfort is concerned, there is no equal amongst the regional manufacurers. No doubt it is a great aircraft...however, the the extra gross weight of the aircraft (obviously requiring a little more fuel to operate) has been a primary reason for not moving away from the CRJ's altogether.

 

[HockleyPilot]

This just came out like 5 seconds ago on SWOL and you are already blabing it on FI.com. I wouldn't have posted that if I were you. Why would you post internal company info on here? I know you love SkyWest, but have some common sense man.

That's exactly what I was thinking!

And people wonder why they don't tell us anything.

It's plastered over the internet and SLC paper before the morning's over.

 

[flyboyzz1]

great facts

but you are wrong. Overall, 170/190s are better than the crj pos. Why do you think Air Canada chose E170-190s over crj?
have a nice day:beer:

I mean are you kidding me? You talk about his facts and you post this BS. I'm glad you have a hard on for the big boy regional jet but I think you need to check YOUR facts. I don't think you will find any place that states or anyone that is educated state that the E jets burn less or are cheaper to operate than the comparable CRJ aircraft. If you are talking about passenger comfort then you were way off in your post as well...seeing that Justice didn't argue that.

 

[flyboyzz1]

All you Skyworst pogues keep rubbing your pathetic little peckers while you steal XJT's flying for CAL but there's one problem with your wet dream: S-C-O-P-E.
So, your Bombardier POS may be a winner elsewhere, but it won't be in CAL colors.

I can say that I TRULY don't want SKW to take any XJT flying. Don't want any part of it....but don't you think it's CAL/CAL pilots flying? In my eyes, at least, the regionals don't own this flying what so ever.

 

[Superpilot92]

Please. It's funny how Skywest is the bad guys for "blowing their loads at the prospect of a contract with Continental" but every time Express Jet get's more Delta flying out of SLC your pilots are all "blowing their loads" over the prospect of more flying with Delta at Skywest expense. What a bunch of hypocrites. Pathetic.

Since its DAL flying doesn't that mean its at "Delta's" Expense? Oh and ExpressJet is one word

 

[Superpilot92]

Shouldn't you be on the "Monday Morning CEO" or the "CEO Wannabe" forum? You're an aircraft jockey, right?

Do you have any questions about actually operating an airline? LMAO because you're a dispatcher you know how to "operate an airline"? Perhaps I could help you out with comprehending the whole "Airline CEOs could care less what the pilots think."

Perhaps he could then help you out with comprehending the whole issue of "Airline CEO's could care even less about what the dispatchers think." :laugh:

 

[flyboyzz1]

Since its DAL flying doesn't that mean its at "Delta's" Expense? Oh and ExpressJet is one word

I agree completely but I'd have to say more times than not you won't see a SKW pilot being as unprofessional as some on this thread in regard to switching regional feed....I mean come on...like pilots can control any of this

 

[nimtz]

Yes I waited for the 70-90 seat issue to come alight. Sadly even if one Skywest guy pops wood over a 70 seater in CAL colors (sweet more upgrades!), it is one too many in my book! Collectively you guys already ruined that segment of the biz with the 'temporary' 50=70 deal. With Rev Bedford and Uncle Jerry feeding mainline, you can bet CAL pilots will double down our resolve on scope.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Yes I waited for the 70-90 seat issue to come alight. Sadly even if one Skywest guy pops wood over a 70 seater in CAL colors (sweet more upgrades!), it is one too many in my book! Collectively you guys already ruined that segment of the biz with the 'temporary' 50=70 deal. With Rev Bedford and Uncle Jerry feeding mainline, you can bet CAL pilots will double down our resolve on scope.

Why is it all the xjet pilots come on here and talk about popping wood?

 

[XPOO]

Why is it all the xjet pilots come on here and talk about popping wood?

They are trying to attract PBRstreetgang into the thread for some homoerotic conversation.

 

[XPOO]

Perhaps he could then help you out with comprehending the whole issue of "Airline CEO's could care even less about what the dispatchers think." :laugh:

Wow, took you all morning to think up that reply? How original. Leave it to you pilots to be the wittiest people on the face of the earth. Here's your EPIC FAIL sign.

 

[Superpilot92]

Wow, took you all morning to think up that reply? How original. Leave it to you pilots to be the wittiest people on the face of the earth. Here's your EPIC FAIL sign.

"take all morning" not so much, I used your moronic statement against you and it blew up in your face. Would you like me to also attach your "EPIC fail sign" also? Leave it to you to be so lame :erm:

 

[Whydoitry]

Perhaps Skywest is going to buy CHQ's ERJs and fly them for CAL.

If adding XJT to SKYW is going to be so profitable why is a condition of the deal to delete XJTs scope?

Here's my prediction (worthless as it may be). The deal will go through, the XJT branded ops will cease, the E-135s are converted for charter only, and the 249 E-145s are flown for CAL and DL, CHQ is replaced by the returning XJT aircraft. The unfortunate part being the demise of the branded ops. Unfortunate because ExpressJet Airlines actually provides customer amenities and quality service, something lacking on every single Legacy today.

 

[Superpilot92]

Perhaps Skywest is going to buy CHQ's ERJs and fly them for CAL.

If adding XJT to SKYW is going to be so profitable why is a condition of the deal to delete XJTs scope?

Here's my prediction (worthless as it may be). The deal will go through, the XJT branded ops will cease, the E-135s are converted for charter only, and the 249 E-145s are flown for CAL and DL, CHQ is replaced by the returning XJT aircraft. The unfortunate part being the demise of the branded ops. Unfortunate because ExpressJet Airlines actually provides customer amenities and quality service, something lacking on every single Legacy today.

You may be on to something. I also agree with you about the branded operation. XJT provides a fantastic brand and it would be a real shame to see it go away.

Now Que the know it all Skywest "CEO", err i mean dispatcher who will tell you everything you need to know about XJT

 

[propsarebest]

CAL flying belongs to CAL, period. Who they choose to operate said flying is their decision, period.

The only flying XJT owns is their branded flying.

SkyWest owns NONE of its own flying.

ALL REGIONALS ARE SIMPLY SUBCONTRACTORS. You guys don't own any of your flying.

 

[Whydoitry]

CAL flying belongs to CAL, period. Who they choose to operate said flying is their decision, period.

The only flying XJT owns is their branded flying.

SkyWest owns NONE of its own flying.

ALL REGIONALS ARE SIMPLY SUBCONTRACTORS. You guys don't own any of your flying.

Really? Thanks, was anyone confused about this? And XJT does own some of the DAL flying, 10 airframes I believe.

 

[flyboyzz1]

Really? Thanks, was anyone confused about this? And XJT does own some of the DAL flying, 10 airframes I believe.

Well re-read this post...there are people here that need to be reminded of this...Infact I think you do too... they may own the planes but the routes, the rsv system, the name, and each passenger onboard belongs to DAL. Owning a plane means nothing! Look at the frontier flying with Republic

 

[XPOO]

SkyWest does do at-risk flying for both Delta and United, if you really want to get technical. Delta and United provide the reservations and the codeshare, but SkyWest does the marketing and pays the fuel.

 

[SMOE]

Is This The Best You Can Do Junior?

More PM ranting from Clueless 2 Land:
"

Re: Go Away Old Man
I know more about Unions than you will ever know. You can thank ALPA for giving your scope away and creating the regionals as we know them today. They will be giving more scope away in the future. Get your head out of the sand, jack ass. Unions are for crappy pilots who know nothing about capitalism.

Perfect for you."

Junior, why do you insist on PMing this vomit? Are you too embarrassed to post for all to see? Feel free to post with the normal reply button. It's getting a bit tedious cutting and pasting to the open forum but I feel compelled to share this hilarity. As for your latest spewing:

Um, we haven't given any scope away Junior. Nothing over 50-seat jets on property. Unlike low-baller, bottom feeding, non-union pilot groups like yours, we are resolved that SCOPE and SENIORITY are not for sale...EVER. Part of being a professional pilot group with a Union Contract is looking to the future; preserving and improving what you already have for future generations and keeping management at bay. Perhaps SJS is fogging your vision? And is that your definition of capitalism Junior? Undercutting other flying operations?

 

[flyboyzz1]

SMOE, I agree that would be annoying to get PMs from someone trying to get into a pissing match...Do you really need to post it on here though can't you just ignore it?

 

[btrthn5n5]

Thank you Metro! I am SO sick of these Skywest guys foaming at the mouth for the demise of XJET, and nearly blowing their loads at the prospect of a contract with Continental (behind Xjet's back, and at the expense of Xjet of course). For a company that considers itself so "moral", the pilot group at Skywest sure seem to only care about themselves!

If I read another comment about Xjet possibly going bankrupt (with the Skywesters getting all excited), or "Uncle Jerry Said...", (we're going to be the best thing for Xjet, because they "need" us), or similar such nonsense, then I will be forced to conclude that there is not a single soul at Skywest who posts on this board who can think for themselves. First of all, Xjet is NOT going to go bankrupt.

Second, how can you guys not realize that what is bad for a company with an industry-leading contract (by bad, I mean Uncle Jerry strong-arming Xjet into giving up the best parts of their contract) is bad for the industry as a whole?

And for those of you at Skywest who think Jerry Atkin, et al, are such "good" guys because of their religious affiliation-- Let me clue you in on a little fact I have observed over the years... some of the biggest crooks I've ever met in business also have temple recommends. In their minds, "what's business is business... what's personal is personal." Meaning, they do one thing and profess another.

End of discussion.

I haven't read the entire set of postings on this issue...maybe somebody already commented on this... but:

This crap spilling out of your mouth is the same song and dance that has been the last breaths of every airline on their way down. Talk about "not thinking for yourself". Wife, you are an idiot. This crap you said might have made sense four years ago when oil was lower, LCC startups with low-balling contracts were running rampant, and the few airlines with solid structure and business models were doing well. But now with $120+ oil and airlines going bankrupt at an average of two a week, YOU NEED TO WAKE UP!

I do NOT hope Xjet goes out of business. I have many friends and relatives flying over there, but the fact remains... We are in a new industry climate. The old game and the old propaganda that so many people keep bringing up, makes them sound stupid. I am no business guru, but common sense seems to show that SkyWest Inc. has the most solid balance sheet and is in a position to weather this next storm. If I was a struggling airline, I would hope to be able to get under that umbrella. Life at ASA got better when SkyWest Inc. completed the buy. I honestly think that if Delta had two wholly-owned to deal with, now that oil is like gold and 50 seaters are no longer efficient, that at least one of those airlines would be gone. Did SkyWest Inc. "save" ASA... I didn't think so at the time, but now that oil is at $122, I think they may have.

Your little brain tries to paint SkyWest pilots as brutal job stealers... when in truth, they are probably going to be fine for awhile, so why should they even care. If your airline has upwards of $450 million in CASH on hand, you might have a job for a few more years. SkyWest pilots won't get an increase in flying if SkyWest Inc. buys XJet. Get a clue. SkyWest pilots are also pilots of an airline owned by SkyWest Inc. They have no dog in the fight for XJet. Nobody wants anybody else to lose thier job... but economics are economics.

When XJet picked up Delta flying was that "at the expense of SkyWest and ASA, behind SkyWest's and ASA's back?" Get a clue. Contracted regional flying is just that. You need to be able to look at it objectively... or else you sound like an idiot. CAL regional contracts are not XJet's God given right... they are just contracts... given to the winning bidder. Just like every other airline's regional Requests for Proposals. I hope the best for XJet, no matter what falls out of all of this.

 

[Klr2land]

Thanks for the laughs Smoron, I mean SMOE. You are easily manipulated. It's easy for you to call people names but not to take it, isn't it?

 

[ToiletDuck]

SkyWest could probably pick up some cheap aircraft on the open market once XJT and MESA have their liquidation sales.

For the last time XJT doesn't own their aircraft they lease them!!!! There's nothing to buy!

 

[propsarebest]

SkyWest does do at-risk flying for both Delta and United, if you really want to get technical. Delta and United provide the reservations and the codeshare, but SkyWest does the marketing and pays the fuel.

Doing business as DLC and UAX, not as SkyWest.

 

[Superpilot92]

Thanks for the laughs Smoron, I mean SMOE. You are easily manipulated. It's easy for you to call people names but not to take it, isn't it?

This coming from someone who started off the post calling him a name

Thanks for the Laughs

SMOE thanks for calling him out he deserved it.