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cbrown1 said:
I've heard the same number thrown around. 70 a month for 6 months is 420 people. Either we're getting some flying that we don't know about or they are really really understaffed.

I don't see morale as low as some on here claim it is. They are just understaffed and are desperate to cover flying anyway they can. Ethically or un-ethically, once the staffing is fixed I think things will go back to the way they should be.

and what regional airline out there has any better morale? Maybe Republic...
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Boy.... Am I going to stir the proverbial pot here!

Skywest by all account appears to want to dominate regional flying. Purchasing other regional carriers as well as aligning themselves now with Alaska not to mention their agreements with United and Delta.. It has also been rumored Soutwest could be in the mix.....

So......... before all you playa haters start a viral campaign against my post, I will confess to not knowing horse excrement about Skywests business. I could care less! BUT.... I will say one thing I know FOR SURE.... Main Line UNION Pilots despise the notion of farming out flying to a non-union carriers unders their brand name!!

And for the guys and gals who profess to be happy at the regional level... Lets just say, every single person in this crazy profession gets that little tingly sensation running up their leg at the simple notion of trading in their little baby barbie jet for a big shiny Bus or Boeing. Only then do they come to their senses and realize it is not the size of the jet but rather the amount they deposit in theit checking and the number of days they have off each month!

Flying is a great profession! I just wish people would recognize the level of liability and accountability each time the release is signed. Then maybe we ALL would benefit!!!!! Just some simple thoughts.......from a simple guy!
 
mejorgy said:
I will say one thing I know FOR SURE.... Main Line UNION Pilots despise the notion of farming out flying to a non-union carriers unders their brand name!!
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If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.
 
Everyone thinks the soon to be so-called "pilot shortage" is going to do wonders for our profession (if you can even call this that). Being the cynical and bitter person I am, think that this "shortage" will only make things worse.

This could be what really opens up the gates for the "pilot farms" out there. In reality when it comes to flight training other than the instrument rating what are the main differences between most ratings? Not much and I bet you could incorporate the PVT, IFR, CMEL into one course. Then it would reset that cycle we saw in past few years. Instead of having to get 3 or 4 ratings and pay for around 300 hours of flight time you could get all 3 in one rating for 1/3 of the cost and time.


CFIT said:
If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.
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I agree, I don't think Mainline pilots care who is taking their flying. They see a 3rd party airline taking their flying. Whether its an alpa, teamster or non-union it stings all the same. If anything an alpa airline taking alpa jobs should sting even more. It's like being robbed by your sister.
 
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CFIT said:
If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.
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Full of S! What is S????? But I will give you kudos........ No mainline pilot enjoys the notion of farming out flying to a regional thus inhibiting growth and expansion of his or her own airline. You know.... that thing called seniority and upgrades. And that my friend is a true statement!
 
cbrown1 said:
Instead of having to get 3 or 4 ratings and pay for around 300 hours of flight time you could get all 3 in one rating for 1/3 of the cost and time.
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I agree with your pessimism. If airline management can't use our rear ends, they'll find (or make) another hole to screw us in. However, the 1,500 hour rule (and new rest rules) will make it far more difficult to draw pilots from a farm. With possible growth and definite attrition on the horizon, the current method of getting cheap labor will have to change. Otherwise, the labor costs will "get out of hand" for the airlines.

On a side note, oil prices are escalating the costs of training whole a lot---One more thing to weigh against new-hire pay at a regional.
 
CFIT said:
If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.
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Actually, some mainline pilots mind more when it's outsourced to non union pilots than to union pilots. Something about riding coattails as well.
 
From a very practical perspective, they suspect there will be a mainline hiring boom soon so someone with 1500 TPIC will probably not stay around long enough to justify the training investment. You will be current and recent after about a month on line, and could be gone in two months. SKW doesn't have a training contract.

Nothing personal. If you know someone at SKW who can vouch for your personal situation making you more likely to stick around, they might call you. Like if you have an ex-wife and kids in FAT or something like that.
 
Nevets said:
Actually, some mainline pilots mind more when it's outsourced to non union pilots than to union pilots. Something about riding coattails as well.
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If you could say anything would definitely get better with alpo, I'd vote tomorrow.
 
CFIT said:
If you could say anything would definitely get better with alpo, I'd vote tomorrow.
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What does that have to do with some mainline pilots minding more that its outsourced non union pilots and riding coat tails?
 
Nevets said:
What does that have to do with some mainline pilots minding more that its outsourced non union pilots and riding coat tails?
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I get it, if Mesa gets the flying it's all good.

ALPA, koolaid from a different source, but still koolaid.

Were you the one that posted your presidents check?
 
cbrown1 said:
I don't see morale as low as some on here claim it is. They are just understaffed and are desperate to cover flying anyway they can. Ethically or un-ethically, once the staffing is fixed I think things will go back to the way they should be.
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I strongly disagree. Morale at SkyWest has hit an all time low. If you are infact THE Chris Brown, I will let you in on the obvious. The pilot group has grown extremely tired of having our pay, bennefits and quality of life "Chipped" away and replaced with Bullsh!t bag tags and "Thanks for All You do's". Guys are not burning the place down...yet... but don't expect anyone to lift an extra finger to help the company out. Just conveying what I am seeing out on the line.
 
CFIT said:
I get it, if Mesa gets the flying it's all good.

ALPA, koolaid from a different source, but still koolaid.

Were you the one that posted your presidents check?
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Presidents check? What are you talking about? Is that question as irrelevant as your last post?
 
BigSix said:
I strongly disagree. Morale at SkyWest has hit an all time low. If you are infact THE Chris Brown, I will let you in on the obvious. The pilot group has grown extremely tired of having our pay, bennefits and quality of life "Chipped" away and replaced with Bullsh!t bag tags and "Thanks for All You do's". Guys are not burning the place down...yet... but don't expect anyone to lift an extra finger to help the company out. Just conveying what I am seeing out on the line.
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Maybe they'll merge us all and hold us together with misery glue.
 
LXApilot said:
Been out of work about six months and have about 5,200tt and 1,500 turbine pic. Thought it would be a good idea to apply to the commuter airlines to "get back in the mix". I've always been interested in working at SkyWest so I applied a few weeks ago; thinking that this would be a good opportunity to work there.

Got this message just a few hours ago: but I've removed my personal info...



To reply to this e-mail, reply to: [email protected].


xxxx xxxxxxx
[email protected]

Dear XXXXX,

Thank you for your expressed desire to work for SkyWest Airlines as a First Officer Pilot. We appreciate your enthusiasm to become a part of our team.

After reviewing your resume, we regret to inform you that you were not chosen at this time. However, we encourage you to monitor our website (www.skywest.com) for future job openings.

Best wishes for success in your employment endeavors and thank you again for your interest in SkyWest Airlines.

Sincerely,

SkyWest Airlines Recruitment




I couldn't stop laughing. Anyone want to explain this one to me? They'll interview an 800tt guy with no turbine but what about all of us guys who have been put on street by dirt-bag operators?
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Dude,
I got the same letter 13 years ago from camila encey : and I had founders time....bunch of 207, navajo and metro time....I would still be there if they would have hired me.....
 
dogg said:
Dude,
I got the same letter 13 years ago from camila encey : and I had founders time....bunch of 207, navajo and metro time....I would still be there if they would have hired me.....
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.......did you not meet the "three wife" minimum? Lol
 
LXApilot said:
Been out of work about six months and have about 5,200tt and 1,500 turbine pic. Thought it would be a good idea to apply to the commuter airlines to "get back in the mix". I've always been interested in working at SkyWest so I applied a few weeks ago; thinking that this would be a good opportunity to work there.

Got this message just a few hours ago: but I've removed my personal info...



To reply to this e-mail, reply to: [email protected].


xxxx xxxxxxx
[email protected]

Dear XXXXX,

Thank you for your expressed desire to work for SkyWest Airlines as a First Officer Pilot. We appreciate your enthusiasm to become a part of our team.

After reviewing your resume, we regret to inform you that you were not chosen at this time. However, we encourage you to monitor our website (www.skywest.com) for future job openings.

Best wishes for success in your employment endeavors and thank you again for your interest in SkyWest Airlines.

Sincerely,

SkyWest Airlines Recruitment




I couldn't stop laughing. Anyone want to explain this one to me? They'll interview an 800tt guy with no turbine but what about all of us guys who have been put on street by dirt-bag operators?
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Maybe your cocky attitude precedes you, or maybe someone knows you and doesn't want you here. I happen to know from an interview team member that all the applicants on one of the interview days last week had between 3000 and 7000 hours. I'm glad you can't stop laughing... your positive attitude will help you get through the tough times.
 
Skaff said:
Maybe your cocky attitude precedes you, or maybe someone knows you and doesn't want you here. I happen to know from an interview team member that all the applicants on one of the interview days last week had between 3000 and 7000 hours. I'm glad you can't stop laughing... your positive attitude will help you get through the tough times.
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After reading YOUR condescending remark: Let me guess... You have 4,600 hours combined in the Brasila and CRJ and you sit at the hotel bar and tell every chick that will let you that you are a captain for either United or Delta!
Remember........ All of us are players in the big game! There is no rhyme or reason as too why some get hired and some don`t! So... You got yours and to hell with everyone else! I read the guys thread and no where did his comment come across as COCKY! Just remember something SKAFF... there are a lot of great guys out there that have more time sitting on toilet seats then you have sitting in airplanes..... you should consider humbling up!
 
mejorgy said:
After reading YOUR condescending remark: Let me guess... You have 4,600 hours combined in the Brasila and CRJ and you sit at the hotel bar and tell every chick that will let you that you are a captain for either United or Delta!
Remember........ All of us are players in the big game! There is no rhyme or reason as too why some get hired and some don`t! So... You got yours and to hell with everyone else! I read the guys thread and no where did his comment come across as COCKY! Just remember something SKAFF... there are a lot of great guys out there that have more time sitting on toilet seats then you have sitting in airplanes..... you should consider humbling up!
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Yep... you pegged it on the nose... I'm a ******************************bagasshole. But I didn't put my resume up here I have no sense of entitlement. This guy laughs that SkyWest will "interview an 800tt guy with no turbine" and says "but what about all of us guys who have been put on street by dirt-bag operators" I say, that if they didn't want to hire him, it might not be because he's overqualled, but maybe because his attitude (sense of entitlement) precedes him. They do actually call your references, and maybe it just came out that he's a dick. He asked for someone to explain it to him, I did. Too much *************************footin' around and assumptions that his 5000 makes him a great guy to spend a 4 day trip with. Not to me. And thanks for the advice... a piece of humble pie could be good for all of us, including you.
 
You know what Skaff??? You are way too young and cocky to realize this sad fact, but I will try anyway.

The day will come when this industry rears back and kicks you square in the doodads.....I just hope that those around you have the class to show more compassion for their fellow pilot than you seem to be capable of.

It CAN happen to you, quicker and nastier than you ever imagined and way before you ever see it coming.

Never say never.....as pilots we live in a very small world full of glass houses surrounded by catapults, so always remember that the person you slam today will be hiring you tomorrow.

Think before you speak.

Rant over....flame away....I don't care....the loud shrill voice of experience will drown out anything clever you think you can say.
 
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As an older experienced pilot told me.....

"Be careful of the back you step on as your climbing to the top. It is connected to the butt you will be kissing on the way back down"
 
I have no doubts I could get kicked to the curb. But if and/or when it happens, I won't come bitching on flightinfo that a company didn't want to hire me.
 

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