Skywest denial

[LXApilot]

Thanks for the good luck wishes. You may read into my post that way IBNAV8R but you and I both know that frustration in trying to read emotions and inflections when typing in text. As I said; no malice- just trying to figure out the logic behind this on the company side. I truly was interested in a position there and (rightfully?) see myself as someone pretty qualified for the position. I don't see how anyone in hiring can have any "perceived" notions from my resume and online application other than - "hey, this guy wants to work here."?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

LXA,
Had a buddy with 6500+ hrs, multiple types, and multiple recommendations, couldn't get called. Only thing I can figger is they only want low time, impressionable, goobers who will insert their own IV for the kook-aid drip. And yes the morale is in the toilet.
PBR

 

[Nevets]

Had a buddy with 6500+ hrs, multiple types, and multiple recommendations, couldn't get called. Only thing I can figger is they only want low time, impressionable, goobers who will insert their own IV for the kook-aid drip. PBR

Exactly what I was going to say. By the way LXApilog, XJT hires high time guys...well I dont know anymore since we are owned by Skywest now...nevermind....but we are already ALPA so it probably doesn't matter to them as much to be impressionable.

 

[mejorgy]

Same thing happened to me in 99. Was informed by the Fresno Chief Pilot Skywest would not consider me because "I had to much time" Oh well.......... all things happen for a reason! The thrill of pulling gear in "a jet" has departed the pattern a long time ago!!!!!!!!!

 

[BoilerUP]

"BizAv stink".

You're not the first out-of-work corporate/charter/fractional pilot that a regional won't consider while scooping up dozens of 500-1500tt pilots with very little or no turbine experience. Its not personal, just a business decision - as others have said they want pilots who have greater odds of sticking around a while, if only because they don't have enough experience to go anywhere else. They probably have hired enough to know that with your experience, the odds of you bolting as soon as you got a better offer are high...and really, you'd be crazy if you didn't.

Consider it just another example of how any "pilot shortage" talk is BS.

 

[CX880]

Honestly what was the point of this thread? Superpilot didn't get hired? Cry us a river

 

[Gr82Aviate]

LXA,
Had a buddy with 6500+ hrs, multiple types, and multiple recommendations, couldn't get called. Only thing I can figger is they only want low time, impressionable, goobers who will insert their own IV for the kook-aid drip. And yes the morale is in the toilet.
PBR

Are you saying the teadrinkers here are finally realizing that TFAYD just isn't cutting it anymore??

 

[acaTerry]

I interviewed at SKW a number of years ago after ACA went TU and I was working as a sim instructor. So off I went to SLC for my interview. HR wanted to know how many times IN MY LIFE that I called in sick. What?!
Then the interview CA...The guy was seething of artificial niceness, and started out by asked me this question "You just broke out on an ILS at minimums, how many stripes do you need to see on the runway to know you have legal visibility?"
I wasn't too happy about playing the game, and my answer was rather flippant. "Well, it's been my experience as a 121 captain that if I see a number on the ground, and its the same as the one on my approach plate, I'm not counting stripes, I'm landing on it. Besides, it's pretty assuming I'd know this as not all ILS approaches end at 200 feet". He didn't like my answer (surprise).
Then the next was "Draw a winglet and the airflow around it". At that point, I knew they were already done with me, so I just said something to the effect of how the winglet worked but that I wasn't a good artist and that to draw it would be rather foolish as AOA, speed and winglet design will slightly alter the flow (again, not really the best way to answer). I just didn't like the way that the guy was carrying himself at me, all 24 years old of him and his "big" 2000-ish hours. So I guess you could say I blew it in a matter of seconds. But really, to treat an experienced guy who was going to start over at a whopping 18 bucks a flight hour, they should show a little more appropriate questioning than the usual "stump the applicant" game that they do to a new guy who is begging for his first job.
I did nail the sim though. Very easy ride. I liked the sim guy but I'm sure that the decision was made long before I got to him.
Needless to say I was not hired, but I didn't really care. It looked like a good place to work, I just didn't want to play the begging game. Things ended up better in the long run for where I am now.
Moral of the story....don't let one interview get you into self-doubt.

 

[CFIT]

For those of you that have applied at SkyWest and didn't get accepted, I wouldn't sweat it too much. If you really want it, try again, I've heard they are going to hire a ton for the foreseeable future and want to run classes of 70 again.

As far as morale being in the toilet, well, that would be saying it in a positive light.

It's really much worse than that, it will be interesting this summer, I for one will not be answering my phone.

 

[cbrown1]

For those of you that have applied at SkyWest and didn't get accepted, I wouldn't sweat it too much. If you really want it, try again, I've heard they are going to hire a ton for the foreseeable future and want to run classes of 70 again.

As far as morale being in the toilet, well, that would be saying it in a positive light.

It's really much worse than that, it will be interesting this summer, I for one will not be answering my phone.

I've heard the same number thrown around. 70 a month for 6 months is 420 people. Either we're getting some flying that we don't know about or they are really really understaffed.

I don't see morale as low as some on here claim it is. They are just understaffed and are desperate to cover flying anyway they can. Ethically or un-ethically, once the staffing is fixed I think things will go back to the way they should be.

and what regional airline out there has any better morale? Maybe Republic...

 

[mejorgy]

I've heard the same number thrown around. 70 a month for 6 months is 420 people. Either we're getting some flying that we don't know about or they are really really understaffed.

I don't see morale as low as some on here claim it is. They are just understaffed and are desperate to cover flying anyway they can. Ethically or un-ethically, once the staffing is fixed I think things will go back to the way they should be.

and what regional airline out there has any better morale? Maybe Republic...

Boy.... Am I going to stir the proverbial pot here!

Skywest by all account appears to want to dominate regional flying. Purchasing other regional carriers as well as aligning themselves now with Alaska not to mention their agreements with United and Delta.. It has also been rumored Soutwest could be in the mix.....

So......... before all you playa haters start a viral campaign against my post, I will confess to not knowing horse excrement about Skywests business. I could care less! BUT.... I will say one thing I know FOR SURE.... Main Line UNION Pilots despise the notion of farming out flying to a non-union carriers unders their brand name!!

And for the guys and gals who profess to be happy at the regional level... Lets just say, every single person in this crazy profession gets that little tingly sensation running up their leg at the simple notion of trading in their little baby barbie jet for a big shiny Bus or Boeing. Only then do they come to their senses and realize it is not the size of the jet but rather the amount they deposit in theit checking and the number of days they have off each month!

Flying is a great profession! I just wish people would recognize the level of liability and accountability each time the release is signed. Then maybe we ALL would benefit!!!!! Just some simple thoughts.......from a simple guy!

 

[CFIT]

I will say one thing I know FOR SURE.... Main Line UNION Pilots despise the notion of farming out flying to a non-union carriers unders their brand name!!

If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.

 

[cbrown1]

Everyone thinks the soon to be so-called "pilot shortage" is going to do wonders for our profession (if you can even call this that). Being the cynical and bitter person I am, think that this "shortage" will only make things worse.

This could be what really opens up the gates for the "pilot farms" out there. In reality when it comes to flight training other than the instrument rating what are the main differences between most ratings? Not much and I bet you could incorporate the PVT, IFR, CMEL into one course. Then it would reset that cycle we saw in past few years. Instead of having to get 3 or 4 ratings and pay for around 300 hours of flight time you could get all 3 in one rating for 1/3 of the cost and time.

If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.

I agree, I don't think Mainline pilots care who is taking their flying. They see a 3rd party airline taking their flying. Whether its an alpa, teamster or non-union it stings all the same. If anything an alpa airline taking alpa jobs should sting even more. It's like being robbed by your sister.

 

[mejorgy]

If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.

Full of S! What is S????? But I will give you kudos........ No mainline pilot enjoys the notion of farming out flying to a regional thus inhibiting growth and expansion of his or her own airline. You know.... that thing called seniority and upgrades. And that my friend is a true statement!

 

[damnflyboy]

Instead of having to get 3 or 4 ratings and pay for around 300 hours of flight time you could get all 3 in one rating for 1/3 of the cost and time.

I agree with your pessimism. If airline management can't use our rear ends, they'll find (or make) another hole to screw us in. However, the 1,500 hour rule (and new rest rules) will make it far more difficult to draw pilots from a farm. With possible growth and definite attrition on the horizon, the current method of getting cheap labor will have to change. Otherwise, the labor costs will "get out of hand" for the airlines.

On a side note, oil prices are escalating the costs of training whole a lot---One more thing to weigh against new-hire pay at a regional.

 

[Nevets]

If your telling me Mainline Pilots don't mind their flying done by union carriers but not SkyWest because we are not union, then ya, I'd say you're full of S.

They either hate it or don't care, period.

Actually, some mainline pilots mind more when it's outsourced to non union pilots than to union pilots. Something about riding coattails as well.

 

[rickair7777]

From a very practical perspective, they suspect there will be a mainline hiring boom soon so someone with 1500 TPIC will probably not stay around long enough to justify the training investment. You will be current and recent after about a month on line, and could be gone in two months. SKW doesn't have a training contract.

Nothing personal. If you know someone at SKW who can vouch for your personal situation making you more likely to stick around, they might call you. Like if you have an ex-wife and kids in FAT or something like that.

 

[BrickTop]

3% reserve staffing at SKYW for May......I can already hear the phones ringing.

 

[CFIT]

Actually, some mainline pilots mind more when it's outsourced to non union pilots than to union pilots. Something about riding coattails as well.

If you could say anything would definitely get better with alpo, I'd vote tomorrow.

 

[Flyerdan]

If you could say anything would definitely get better with alpo, I'd vote tomorrow.

Get it right.

ALPO = a brand of dog food

ALPA = a better brand of Kool-Aid