SkyWest Crj-900 orders

[General Lee]

Its so funny how the ML guys and their egos wanted nothing to do with the RJ, blame it for all their woes........but we'll fly the EMB175/190, because they look and feel like a 737!!! LOL! See, it looks like a plane that is OK for those ML boys to fly, so its no longer beneath them! It is however, probably too much for us regional boys to handle!

For all you thinking the 70's, 90's and 100's need to go to ML because the pay and benefits are so much better there, think again. That gap has closed, and soon the ML job will be void of pensions, great pay and work rules. The only real benefit is the chance to move up to bigger aircraft and more pay in the future. So GL doesnt flame me, that is a good reason for them to go there....but not because the pay and benefits on those specific planes will be much better at the ML!

The gap will continue to widen. You can't see that? Your pay will be dropping just as fast. We all will make less. There will still be a gap, and it is sad that you don't realize it. Just watch.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

True.

If ALPA wants to restore the flying to mainline, they can do it through mergers. Simply taking the airplanes without the crews is an act of Piracy.

We just won't award planes to DCI. We will keep anything new (we aren't taking anything from you---you are getting some CR7s). Anything above that is fair game for us---in the contract.

You must be talking about SkyWest, right? They are taking new CR7s from you. Too bad they aren't ALPA. ALPA might actually help you right now if they were. That is piracy. You need to look at your own problems first.



Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Fins,

You are right. You are. We did give away that flying--50 to 70 seats. Now we will try not to do it again. We would rather keep it and then make sure our furloughed pilots come back, and then maybe give you the chance to fly those planes bigger than 70 seats if you want. If you don't, then that is your choice. We learned our lesson I would say. So do you blame us now for "seeing the light" and now trying to keep it?


Bye bye--General Lee

Well, then, do you blame us for trying to get it?? So, I guess, the battle is on. DL mainline is just the newest entrant to the 'race to the bottom'! Welcome! But dont blame us to try to gain flying that improves our pay and QOL. We owe you major pilots nothing, whether or not we aspire to reach those ranks or not!

 

[General Lee]

Most of us didn't initially plan on a career at the regional level, most of us will nonetheless spend our careers at the regional level. Given the choice of growth at my present company flying bigger planes vs. a one in ten chance of getting hired by Delta in about five years I'll keep my seniority and QOL thank you very much. Pretty simple, E-190 captain for XYZ regional next year or a chance to captain the same airplane for Delta in about ten years for slightly more pay. That's not being short sighted, that's common sense. Even notice how doing something "For the good of the profession" always involves us little guy's taking a bullet to protect the QOL of someone making three times what we do? Sure, someday that could be you making the big bucks if you just eat excrement for...5,6,7 who knows how many more years. Pay your dues and thanks for waiting your turn, now here's your furlow notice; we'll call you back in a year or three. I have a good job at a good regional, it may be the last job I ever have so I better make the most of it.

Jon,

That is giving up. This down cycle will not last forever. We have ex Western guys that were on furlough for 6 years---some went into teaching to pay the bills. That is the way it goes in this industry. Those same guys are now senior 767 captains, or are retired. To say that your pay will stay consistant and not fall anymore is wrong too. Everyone will get pay cuts this time. And, in 5 years, if things are better, we will go back to trying to restore some of that pay loss. It may take awhile, but as long as the company is doing better, it is not out of the question. If you settle now and try to give yourself some modest pay increase for a larger plane, you will likely stay there forever. Maybe you want that, and maybe you don't.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Well, then, do you blame us for trying to get it?? So, I guess, the battle is on. DL mainline is just the newest entrant to the 'race to the bottom'! Welcome! But dont blame us to try to gain flying that improves our pay and QOL. We owe you major pilots nothing, whether or not we aspire to reach those ranks or not!

Delta bargins with us first. You pilots do not bargain with Delta directly--you go through ASA (SkyWest), and then they bargin with Delta. So, we have the ability to bargain first, and we will. The key here is that we need to secure the aircraft first, and then work on the pay later. We will, probably accepting the rates set by Jetblue, and then go forward from there. We won't go lower, and the company already set the pay scale negotiations at that rate. (minus the time and a half after 70 hours) Expect us to go after those planes, and we get to try first.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Flyin2low]

Back to the topic at hand.

Is SkyWest going to become the NewCo with the possible DL and NWA merger? Is that why this possible acquisition of 90 seaters is even a thought? What will happen with ComAir as F8 and RJET move into the DL system? How about PCL and Mesaba with this NewCo thing possibly starting up.

 

[Jon Rivoli]

General,

It's not so much giving up as hedging a bet and the odd's are pretty long. Six years on furlow? I'm almost forty, say five years before I might get hired, fly for two or three, furlow for six. That would make me about 54 and unemployed with a prospect of six years to save for retirement, no thanks. I buy Powerball tickets sometimes, but I have a backup plan as well.

Jon

 

[CFIT]

Fins,

You are right. You are. We did give away that flying--50 to 70 seats. Now we will try not to do it again. We would rather keep it and then make sure our furloughed pilots come back, and then maybe give you the chance to fly those planes bigger than 70 seats if you want. If you don't, then that is your choice. We learned our lesson I would say. So do you blame us now for "seeing the light" and now trying to keep it?


Bye bye--General Lee

You just don't get it, do you generalpinhead?

It was never your flying in the past, now, or in the future. It's managments decision and who ever has the best cost metrics is going to win, and it won't be ML. Through all the contract rules ML will always be more expensive if not today with a low rate it will when the next contract comes through. When all of this is given to Prudy, you guys will be bending over again. Every one of your pre-concession contracts have done nothing but kill your airline. I think every one is sick of your constant moaning about how this is unfair and the new RJ's should be for the myoptic circle squirt chumps at ML when you have simply done this to yourself.

Go ride bikes with your husband, or lift your weights, or go knuckle yourself, but quit crying your pathetic diatribe about how this is "your flying".coinbag

 

[General Lee]

You just don't get it, do you generalpinhead?

It was never your flying in the past, now, or in the future. It's managments decision and who ever has the best cost metrics is going to win, and it won't be ML. Through all the contract rules ML will always be more expensive if not today with a low rate it will when the next contract comes through. When all of this is given to Prudy, you guys will be bending over again. Every one of your pre-concession contracts have done nothing but kill your airline. I think every one is sick of your constant moaning about how this is unfair and the new RJ's should be for the myoptic circle squirt chumps at ML when you have simply done this to yourself.

Go ride bikes with your husband, or lift your weights, or go knuckle yourself, but quit crying your pathetic diatribe about how this is "your flying".coinbag

It's management's decision? WRONG. It is what we negotiate with them. Management CANNOT do what it pleases, they have to follow the contract. YOU ARE WRONG DUMBA$$. It is so fun being right, when you are really WRONG, all of the time. You look dumb.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Halo_RJdriver]

comedian

We just won't award planes to DCI. We will keep anything new (we aren't taking anything from you---you are getting some CR7s). Anything above that is fair game for us---in the contract.

You must be talking about SkyWest, right? They are taking new CR7s from you. Too bad they aren't ALPA. ALPA might actually help you right now if they were. That is piracy. You need to look at your own problems first.



Bye Bye--General Lee

OH GL too bad you can't pit ASA against REpulick/shuttlewagon/chitaco? Why not compare the 15+ E170's that are in SLC or on the way. Don't pit SKYW against ASA. ASA is going to be fine assuming they don't strike and end your DAL career. Good luck on getting E190's. EMB doesn't even have you penciled in they maybe column.

oh yeah during bankruptcy your contract means nothing to anyone except you GL.

 

[General Lee]

General,

It's not so much giving up as hedging a bet and the odd's are pretty long. Six years on furlow? I'm almost forty, say five years before I might get hired, fly for two or three, furlow for six. That would make me about 54 and unemployed with a prospect of six years to save for retirement, no thanks. I buy Powerball tickets sometimes, but I have a backup plan as well.

Jon

Jon,

It sometimes come down to when you get hired. I was lucky enough to get hired during the start of a big hiring boom--in '96. Some people might not have wanted to try then, but then tried later and may have been burned. You just have to be ready and lucky. Sending larger planes to the regionals will just ensure less possible jobs in the future at the Majors. I flew at a "commuter" (Dorniers and E120s out of MDW in the early 90s), so I know all about that and the attempt to jump to the Majors. It is a risk, but one that is worth it in the long run.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

OH GL too bad you can't pit ASA against REpulick/shuttlewagon/chitaco? Why not compare the 15+ E170's that are in SLC or on the way. Don't pit SKYW against ASA. ASA is going to be fine assuming they don't strike and end your DAL career. Good luck on getting E190's. EMB doesn't even have you penciled in they maybe column.

oh yeah during bankruptcy your contract means nothing to anyone except you GL.

There is a liimit to the number of E170s that CHQ/ShuttleCraft can use--which is 16 I believe. They also use them from JFK to AUS and SAT, and to and from IND and JFK. CHQ also uses E145/E135s to and from FLA. If Delta wanted to use SkyWest CRJs in LGA, they would put them there. I am talking about CR7s that were going to ASA pilots, that now may go to SkyWest because of strike or pay issues. That is a whole different story.


And Halo, the judge has NOT taken away anything with scope or anyting else except pay---that we gave up (nothing taken away from us). We still have to negotiate, and the judge is staying out of that. We also got in writing that the company will give us credit for any pension dump (which is expected, unless they can pay the $10.6 billion). That is HUGE, since it will take up space (in the $325 million request for savings) that could be filled with giving up scope. Our 14% pay cut and then pension dump will fill most of that. Sounds like we will negotiate for the 79-100 seaters.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[CFIT]

It's management's decision? WRONG. It is what we negotiate with them. Management CANNOT do what it pleases, they have to follow the contract. YOU ARE WRONG DUMBA$$. It is so fun being right, when you are really WRONG, all of the time. You look dumb.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Hello,Helloooo,
generalblofordough,
You are in CH11 and that gives them alot more power than your CBA can ever give. You are going to get what they want you to have, period, end of story, thankyou for playing. It wont be for up to 100 seats because ML is too expensive and you have no money.

You seem desperate and emotional, are you spotting?

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Management CANNOT do what it pleases, they have to follow the contract. YOU ARE WRONG DUMBA$$. It is so fun being right, when you are really WRONG, all of the time. You look dumb.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Speaking of looking dumb what contract are you referring to? The one that may be shredded by the bankruptcy court or is there a hidden one somewhere that we don't know about?

 

[General Lee]

Speaking of looking dumb what contract are you referring to? The one that may be shredded by the bankruptcy court or is there a hidden one somewhere that we don't know about?

Dave,

Did the 1113c process work? No. It was avoided in a TA---TA 50. We now have to negotiate, and at the same time we will now get credit---in writing via the TA---from the company on a pension dump that is upcoming. That credit, along with all of the credit that the judge stated we WILL get---for any changes in scope, code share, manning hours--etc (as stated by the judge directly)---will help. The DL lawyer stated "we need the full $325 million judge." So, with our 14% pay cut ($152 million a year in savings) plus the savings they will get from the pension dump (ALPA estimates that will be $180-220 million a year in savings)---looks like they may get the savings they NEED. Anything over that may not fly, and the judge was told many times "they need the full $325 million in savings." If the company decides to actually fund the pensions, the lump sums will start up again, and another 300-400 Captains will leave, and I will then hold 738 Captain in NYC---foggettaboutit....

At the same time, the yeilds are going way up on the East Coast, thanks to Indy Air leaving the area. Higher fuel will be offset by that, compared to what we were dealing with this last year---with $29 one way tickets from IAD to ATL.

So, nothing will be trashed. If they try, then the busy Summer season (our biggest season due to European flying) will be at jeopardy. That would be bad.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Hello,Helloooo,
generalblofordough,
You are in CH11 and that gives them alot more power than your CBA can ever give. You are going to get what they want you to have, period, end of story, thankyou for playing. It wont be for up to 100 seats because ML is too expensive and you have no money.

You seem desperate and emotional, are you spotting?

What has been changed so far CFIT? Besides another pay cut--14%----what else has been changed? Any fleet changes right now? Anything? Hello? They stated to the judge that they "needed the full $325 million a year in savings", and then allowed, through this TA we signed, to concede any savings we get from the pension plan going away. Can you see that yet? There may be some slight changes coming up, but we will be included---like negotating for the 79-100 seaters, and working on sick leave issues. We will still come up with some savings for the company. But, the majority has been accounted for.

So, come up with some good debate material, instead of mass-ter--bating material. You sound like a TARD and your highschool humor is funny only to you.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[AAflyer]

Ouch, generalsukfest takes another.....wonder where?

Just think, the individual that talks like this is flying your family around.
Doesn't that give you a warm fuzzy.

AA:erm:

 

[Mikes Apartment]

CFIT and Dave are worried about their own situations. At least the General can back up his statements with something. CFIT has to resort to potty humor. CFIT lacks credibility and is losing his argument miserably.

CFIT you are a DORK!

 

[CFIT]

CFIT has to resort to potty humor.

And your screen name is a porn site, ouch.

 

[General Lee]

It is? Oh wait, I just tried it. Very interesting. That is the type of stuff that CFIT woiuld love.

Mike's Apartment,

Thanks for the support. It is easy to debate CFIT when he doesn't know what he is talking about or can't support his assertions.


Bye Bye--General Lee