Skywest CRJ 705's for Delta??

[General Lee]

The problem is the mainline operation. What is the incentive to want to go to mainline anymore? the pensions? the great pay? job security?good management? I would not hold my breath on having furloughed delta pilots flying left seat for DCI anytime soon. You did not want anypart of our petition for one senoirity list in 1999, why is it OK for your furloughed pilots to take left seat positions from our pilots? Is Delta buying these alleged 79 seaters or is Skywest?

So, you will make more as a SkyWest or ASA Captain on the CR7 forever, rather than start at DL or CAL and move up to 777 FO, or 737 Capt eventually? It could take a while, but your pay would go up. But, you would rather keep your weekends off right now, right? Riiiiight.

As far as furloughs flying in the left seat of DCI plane, it is the next answer if Dalpa can't get the 79 seaters for ourselves. (Unlikely we will give them up anyway) Does Jerry Atkin really care who flies the planes? He wants money. Other airlines have allowed it, and it may be the ONLY way. Mesa will probably GLADLY accept that. Orenstein really doesn't care. Who would be buying the planes, you ask? How did Air Canada afford the Emb-175s, Emb-190s, and 15 777s along with 20 787s after their bankruptcy? They were days from liquidation, and now they have a whole new fleet. Also, the Brazilian and Canadian governments would likely finance any deal just to keep their workers on the production line. I have heard financing with EMB and Canadair is NOT a problem. Boeing, on the other hand, is not budging very much from their suggested retail prices because of their huge amounts of orders as of late. And, we all would have accepted a staple(of DCI to our list) in 1999, you know that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Mookie]

Genral,

Who let you out of the HRSA unit??

What leverage do you guys have to implement these "left seat" entitlements? Just for the record, when the us airways deal was presented to SkyWest, we told them to shove back in 02. I'm betting it'll be likewise again...

Shouldn't you be studying for your upgrade instead of wasting time on the regional boards?

by the way the 705's don't have 79 seats...
Mookie

 

[ohplease!]

And, we all would have accepted a staple(of DCI to our list) in 1999, you know that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

I'd gladly have accepted that. Just another example of why I'm not sure ASA-ALPA is negotiating in good faith for whats best for me. Had they been realistic about one list, all of this stuff we're all arguing about would be a non-issue. Like AA\eagle, we'd all have had to suck it up for a while and now we'd be moving forward again. As it stands now, Dalpa will fight against DCI and DCI will try to undercut you guy's. Again, not my system.

For the record: I would not mind DAL furloughs flying left seat in 100 (or whatever) seaters here. They will eventually move on and leave the equipment behind. In the mean time, they'll be back flying.

 

[General Lee]

Genral,

Who let you out of the HRSA unit??

What leverage do you guys have to implement these "left seat" entitlements? Just for the record, when the us airways deal was presented to SkyWest, we told them to shove back in 02. I'm betting it'll be likewise again...

Shouldn't you be studying for your upgrade instead of wasting time on the regional boards?

by the way the 705's don't have 79 seats...
Mookie

HRSA unit? Oooooookay.

Will Atkin allow expansion to go to Mesa, again? Maybe he will do it. You have no union, so you can't really do much.

Again, Mookie, I haven't been awarded it because I am waiting for the next advanced Entitlement. Have you done your CR7 conversion training yet?

How many seats do the CRJ-705s have? Give me an aircraft with exactly 79 seats? The E175? How about a CR9 with first class seats in them? Regardless, we want them. It will be interesting to see what happens. At least the strike option is there, and that could affect exit financing. We'll see, and I hope we get an agreement in the meantime......Even the Governor of Georgia stated he "guaranteed" a settlement before any strike. Sunny Perdue---what a great Governor......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'd gladly have accepted that. Just another example of why I'm not sure ASA-ALPA is negotiating in good faith for whats best for me. Had they been realistic about one list, all of this stuff we're all arguing about would be a non-issue. Like AA\eagle, we'd all have had to suck it up for a while and now we'd be moving forward again. As it stands now, Dalpa will fight against DCI and DCI will try to undercut you guy's. Again, not my system.

For the record: I would not mind DAL furloughs flying left seat in 100 (or whatever) seaters here. They will eventually move on and leave the equipment behind. In the mean time, they'll be back flying.

Unlikely we would leave 100 seaters at DCI.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[jehtplane]

And, we all would have accepted a staple(of DCI to our list) in 1999, you know that.


Bye Bye--General Lee

That is a bunch of crap!

 

[ohplease!]

Unlikely we would leave 100 seaters at DCI.


Bye Bye--General Lee

not sure you'd have much to say about it. but, again, I don't know all the particulars about it.

 

[Capi_Cafre']

DAL pilots flying DAL passengers.

Wow, sounds like someone just took a long pull off the RJDC KoolAid jug.....

 

[79%N1]

Gen....

It doesnt matter what you want. "We want 'em" waaaaah. (Stomp, stomp, hold breath) Do you think anyone cares what you guys want? Now, maybe you can force the company into giving you stuff with your contract/scope. USair guys didnt get J4J because they merely wanted it. They forced it on the other carriers. Delta will get an agreement for whatever is most cost sensible, and something tells me that isnt you Delta boys flying them! Now, maybe DALPA will work out a J4J agreement with CHQ or Mesa, so be it. Have fun working for them! Ask the USAIR boys who went to Mesa how that worked out! Talk about shock! Be that as it may, my point is you mainline Gods wont get what you want just because you declare 'We want them'!

That said, I could only support ML pilots coming here in a J4J with them holding what their ML seniority DOH gives them. NO WAY a pilot from ML hired in 02 or 01 should sit in the left seat above a guy at ASA or wherever that has been there 10-20 years! Sorry. Most of the Delta furloughees were FO's, so why are they too good to come to ASA/Skywest as FO's on the 900 or 705 or whatever? What entitles them to a left seat???? Its really absurd. IMHO

 

[Sinca3]

What entitles them to a left seat???? Its really absurd. IMHO

Thank you!!

 

[Mookie]

General,

Yes, I have done my 70 seat training. And for that matter, the 705 and 900 training as well. thanks

Mookie

 

[jehtplane]

Gen....

It doesnt matter what you want. "We want 'em" waaaaah. (Stomp, stomp, hold breath) Do you think anyone cares what you guys want? Now, maybe you can force the company into giving you stuff with your contract/scope. USair guys didnt get J4J because they merely wanted it. They forced it on the other carriers. Delta will get an agreement for whatever is most cost sensible, and something tells me that isnt you Delta boys flying them! Now, maybe DALPA will work out a J4J agreement with CHQ or Mesa, so be it. Have fun working for them! Ask the USAIR boys who went to Mesa how that worked out! Talk about shock! Be that as it may, my point is you mainline Gods wont get what you want just because you declare 'We want them'!

That said, I could only support ML pilots coming here in a J4J with them holding what their ML seniority DOH gives them. NO WAY a pilot from ML hired in 02 or 01 should sit in the left seat above a guy at ASA or wherever that has been there 10-20 years! Sorry. Most of the Delta furloughees were FO's, so why are they too good to come to ASA/Skywest as FO's on the 900 or 705 or whatever? What entitles them to a left seat???? Its really absurd. IMHO

Exactly! Why is it always protect mainline jobs, what about protecting jobs for the regional pilots?

 

[9rj9]

question..

Does ASA still have pref-hiring even though they are no longer part of Delta.

 

[MedFlyer]

HRSA unit? Oooooookay.

Give me an aircraft with exactly 79 seats? The E175? How about a CR9 with first class seats in them? Regardless, we want them. It will be interesting to see what happens.
Bye Bye--General Lee

My how the mighty have fallen....groveling and begging to fly a 79 seat plane.

The only way DALPA will get these planes is if you agree to Mesa type wages. But if that happens, how many pilots will actually want to fly these planes for $50K a year? Even most DAL furloughees will balk at pay that low.

But if DL management and DALPA can't come to an agreement, DL management will just buy lots of 70 seaters. The precedent for that has already been set.

 

[DoinTime]

I just got off of the the phone with a mechanic friend in Tucson and he said that SKW has 2 of them setting on the ramp in Delta colors. I don't know, anybody know anything about this?

According to Bombardier there are only 15 CRJ-705s in existance and they have all been delivered to Air Canada. Currently, there are no outstanding orders for the 705.