SkyWest Contract

[Burt Reynolds]

Anybody got a copy or have a link to one? PM me if you do, I'm interested in SkyWest and I'd like to get an idea of what the work rules are like...

Thanks!

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Here ya go...our contract is written in full down below....
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[Dave Benjamin]

I think you can find rest and duty time limitations in your copy of the FAR's. Turboprops are grandfathered under Pt 135 - IE: 34/7

 

[Burt Reynolds]

I guess I'm really more getting at how much you are paid, i.e. block or better, duty time, etc. as well as reserve rules, time off and such. I'm just trying to make a more informed decision about whether I should jump ship from where I'm at now.

Contracts or CBAs are a pretty boring read, but I don't think that there is anything against/wrong a non-employee or future applicant seeing it, is there?

I suppose I'll just try to extract the information from the search function...

Is the Brazillia really grandfathered under the 135 mins? I thought that you had to be 19 seats or less for that.

 

[Smacktard]

Anybody got a copy or have a link to one? PM me if you do, I'm interested in SkyWest and I'd like to get an idea of what the work rules are like...

Thanks!

Here's part of it...

Section 1.A All pilots hereto agree to fly 70 seat airplanes for 50 seat wages.

 

[BigHangar]

I had to laugh at the title of this thread as it is an oxymoron statement. There is no skywest contract.

 

[fsworld]

As an ASA guy Id be interested in seeing it also. Yes we know that there is no "real" contract but there is still a contract that they follow with duty hours, pay, etc.

 

[skypine69]

Skywest doesnt need a contract. management is looking out for the pilots best interest.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

...and thus the reason that I am hesitant to use the search function to get real answers.

 

[skypine69]

block or better. duty time after 12 hours scheduled duty time but only if it is a trip that is published in the bid package and delays due to anything dont count. 3.75 min per day. they do what ever they want to you on reserve. 20 days on per month is max. what else do you want? the posts here may seem juvenile to you but they speak the truth. there are alot of good things about the company, but there are some areas that need some improvement. the "contract" is one of them, it needs to be a real contract.

 

[BigHangar]

Skywest doesnt need a contract. management is looking out for the pilots best interest.

Hhhhmmmmwwwaaaaahahahahahaha:laugh:

Hey, I was wondering which flavor you're sipping on? That must be some good stuff!!

I'll tell you one thing, skywest management is bar none, the best at making a sizeable portion of labor actually think that "management is looking out for the pilots best interest".

 

[s.o.sJTB]

Hhhhmmmmwwwaaaaahahahahahaha:laugh:

Hey, I was wondering which flavor you're sipping on? That must be some good stuff!!

I'll tell you one thing, skywest management is bar none, the best at making a sizeable portion of labor actually think that "management is looking out for the pilots best interest".

I bet my next bonus check that he was joking

 

[Steveair]

To Actually Answer Your Question...

I guess I'm really more getting at how much you are paid, i.e. block or better, duty time, etc. as well as reserve rules, time off and such. I'm just trying to make a more informed decision about whether I should jump ship from where I'm at now.

Contracts or CBAs are a pretty boring read, but I don't think that there is anything against/wrong a non-employee or future applicant seeing it, is there?

I suppose I'll just try to extract the information from the search function...

Is the Brazillia really grandfathered under the 135 mins? I thought that you had to be 19 seats or less for that.

Burt,

For pay info, I'd check out airlinepilotcentral.com and look under airlines. Pay rates for nearly everyone are located there.

Pay = Credit, Block, or actual... whichever higher. You get paid for cancelations / mx if you are a line holder only. Days off usually 11-15. Per diem 1.60/hr from report to release. I think duty time is 16 hrs. Most days of a trip run anywhere from 2-3 legs to 4 -5. No vacation for the first year. Reserve rules... you have to be there but PBS (Preferential Bid System), is supposedly changing all this. It will be live at every domicile within a couple months. Min guarantee on the CRJ is 75 hrs/month and I think 85 on the bro. Lines are usually 82-95 hrs avg. credit. You don't get paid more for the 700 and will end up flying both if you're on the jet.

Brasilias are still under 135.

Hope this helps.

 

[John Pennekamp]

Burt,

For pay info, I'd check out airlinepilotcentral.com and look under airlines. Pay rates for nearly everyone are located there.

Pay = Credit, Block, or actual... whichever higher. You get paid for cancelations / mx if you are a line holder only. Days off usually 11-15. Per diem 1.60/hr from report to release. I think duty time is 16 hrs. Most days of a trip run anywhere from 2-3 legs to 4 -5. No vacation for the first year. Reserve rules... you have to be there but PBS (Preferential Bid System), is supposedly changing all this. It will be live at every domicile within a couple months. Min guarantee on the CRJ is 75 hrs/month and I think 85 on the bro. Lines are usually 82-95 hrs avg. credit. You don't get paid more for the 700 and will end up flying both if you're on the jet.

Brasilias are still under 135.

Hope this helps.

But since they don't actually have a union contract, a pay cut and furlough from the top of the seniority list could be imposed tomorrow. Not likely, but possible.

 

[Burt Reynolds]

Thanks for the replies.

Skypine, yeah, it does look like a few things are worse than what I've got now, but some things are better... Seems like I could get more time off where I'm at (AE), but a lot of good that is going to do me when I'm making 35k for the 8th or 9th year. Oh wait, that's going to change any day now... haha

Now I've just got to get them to call back! haha

 

[SkyNation]

Hey, I was wondering which flavor you're sipping on? That must be some good stuff!!

I'll tell you one thing, skywest management is bar none, the best at making a sizeable portion of labor actually think that "management is looking out for the pilots best interest".

the constant reference to Kool Aid on this bitchboard is really tired, lame, and really used incorrectly.

Jim Jones convinced his followers to drink his Kool Aid at Jonestown and it killed them.

are we being 'killed' at SkyWest by allowing our management to do what they are supposed to do, which is minimize costs and maximize profits? that helps me when I get my bonus checks, the company remains competitive, flying oppurtunities increase, etc. by doing so, they are indeed 'looking our for me' by in like manner looking out for the overall health and strength of the company.

the analogy only works if we were being 'killed' with layoffs, pay cuts (yeah, yeah, 70 seat for 50....blah, blah, blah-I wasn't here then), etc.

instead, SkyWest thrives and most of us are happier working here than we would be elsewhere. our total pay is right in line with what the industry will allow. what is the problem with that? who is making so much more than me, has such a better schedule, and is so much better off? I would hope that all my counterparts at AE, XJet, Comair, etc. would be able to say the same about their companies. if they can't, they should look elsewhere. many have, and ended up coming here.

 

[skypine69]

lemme guess, a year ago you were instructing in a 172?

 

[Burt Reynolds]

Got a couple more questions...

Fight benefits. Are you allowed to list on United/Delta (which ever side you're working on)? What type of pass? Does a United/Delta ramper's grandmother get better passes? Do you have to pay charges?

CASS?

Is reserve still "relatively" short in ORD?

Any idea of how many more aircraft SkyWest will be getting?

Thanks!

 

[SKYWRJGUY]

I see some brain surgeons on here rehashing the old--nice.

 

[D'Angelo]

The best part is SkyWest makes more than most ALPO carriers do. So not only that they can also feel a sense of relief knowing they have done just fine all these years without a union and look at all that money they have saved. I say good for you SkyWest. Just at comair alone im sure we have wasted a darn fortune in dues. Thats the brilliant part skywest still gets the good deal and doesnt have to waste 2% of their check to get it. That should be considered a raise right there!! Kudos to SkyWest for keeping them off the property for so long. When is your next vote or is ALPA going to try and blindside everyone and trick them into signing those cards. All it takes is 50%+1... BEWARE the wrath of ALPO. They are hungry for your money.

 

[Spicepilots]

Got a couple more questions...

Fight benefits. Are you allowed to list on United/Delta (which ever side you're working on)? What type of pass? Does a United/Delta ramper's grandmother get better passes? Do you have to pay charges?

CASS?

Is reserve still "relatively" short in ORD?

Any idea of how many more aircraft SkyWest will be getting?

Thanks!

As a pilot, you can list on both, regardless of what brand your plane carries. The details are somewhat convoluted, so I won't go into them. On the mainline carriers, you will be below everybody on the SA list but those travelling on mainline buddy passes. For SkyWest, it's based on your DOH.

SkyWest is CASS-approved.

My friend hired in September is still on reserve in ORD, and has been desperately trying to transfer since hire because the commute from DEN is difficult. This may change as more people are hired. Also bear in mind that everyone transitioning over from the EMB keeps their seniority number, and hence will kick you down on the list. This presumes, of course, that you get hired for the CRJ instead of the EMB120, in which case, ORD is not an EMB domicile.

Who knows. ASA will be getting 900's, SkyWest plans to take one of ASA's current planes for each 900 they get (sorry, guys, I know it's tough to lose a domicile and be forced to move. My sympathies). There are RUMORS about 900's for United, but there are no current plans made public for anything like this. I believe we took delivery of 13 or so new 700's this spring. For more information, I would suggest browsing the SkyWest website.

 

[ilkwamh2]

In my opinion, the SkyWest "contract" is pretty good compared to other regionals. Daily min is greater of 3:45, 1/2 duty time(any duty scheduled above 12hrs is 1 for 1 pay), scheduled credit, or actual flight time. Most 4 day trips fall anywhere from 18 hrs to 22 hrs credit. 3 day trips are usually around 17 or 18 hrs credit, 2 days are usually 8 hrs - 12 hrs credit, locals anywhere between 3:45 and 8 hrs credit, and standups, naps, or continuous duties are usually 5 hrs. - 8 hrs. credit. I've seen other regionals with 4 day trips crediting 13 hours...that's harsh. There is also 100% deadhead pay, 100% cancellation pay whether its due to wx, maint, crew, whatever. Most other places only have 50% deadhead pay and only get cancellation pay if it's due to maint or if they meet certain performance criteria. If you get displaced from your trip you will get full pay, and if crew scheduling doesn't assign anything to you, you can pick up trips on those days and you'll get paid for both trips. In addition, after 1 year, we get performance rewards which usually run about $250 per quarter and after 2 years, we get financial rewards which usually run about $600 per quarter. So don't just look at the pay scale alone, some of these other factors makes the hourly wage seem a lot higher than other place. So, for the most part, I'd say the work rules are decent and above par. Hope this helps.

 

[atrdriver]

The best part is SkyWest makes more than most ALPO carriers do. So not only that they can also feel a sense of relief knowing they have done just fine all these years without a union and look at all that money they have saved. I say good for you SkyWest.

And what do you think they would have if ALPA, or another union, didn't represent the other regionals? They have what they have because their management doesn't want a union on the property, so they try to keep up with what the union carriers have. If you think that they would have anything close to what they have now if ALPA wasn't at the other carriers you are truely an idiot.

Also, I notice that you never answered the question I posed on another thread about what keeps CMR from firing you the day before your probation ends and then re-hiring you to keep you at first year wages. If "union" is bouncing around in your head then you have the correct answer.

 

[SkyNation]

lemme guess, a year ago you were instructing in a 172?

directed at me? if not, my bad.

nope, been in the industry about 4 years, but I did instruct before that. are you saying that I'm not seasoned enough to realize that life actually somehow sucks at SkyWest, and that with a few more years I'll realize that? I've heard the rants of the tired and bitter before. They are alive and well at every company ((I'd know, I've worked at more than just this one). Gladly, they are in the minority at SkyWest, testament to what I've said before.

 

[D'Angelo]

Dont let them keep you down SkyNation! God forbid someone simply be happy with your job! ALPO just hates hearing a success story especially at a non union airline.

 

[D'Angelo]

And what do you think they would have if ALPA, or another union, didn't represent the other regionals? They have what they have because their management doesn't want a union on the property, so they try to keep up with what the union carriers have. If you think that they would have anything close to what they have now if ALPA wasn't at the other carriers you are truely an idiot.

Also, I notice that you never answered the question I posed on another thread about what keeps CMR from firing you the day before your probation ends and then re-hiring you to keep you at first year wages. If "union" is bouncing around in your head then you have the correct answer.

any airline can fire you on your 11th month and 27th day without reason. They can then offer you your job back but starting all over. The union couldnt do anything to stop that. BTW if any airline fired you then tried to rehire you at first year pay if enough people quit they would quickly change that practice and they wouldnt stay in buisness long enough. Its not good buisness practice and people wouldnt work under those terms plain and simple.

 

[Super Monkey]

Here is our policy manual...I won't call it a contract either. Hope this helps.

http://www.skywestonline.com/admin/manuals/F/M/PBS/PBS.pdf

 

[kj6991]

Here is our policy manual...I won't call it a contract either. Hope this helps.

http://www.skywestonline.com/admin/manuals/F/M/PBS/PBS.pdf

we need to go play golf man.. soon. and you know who this is!!

 

[atrdriver]

any airline can fire you on your 11th month and 27th day without reason. They can then offer you your job back but starting all over. The union couldnt do anything to stop that. BTW if any airline fired you then tried to rehire you at first year pay if enough people quit they would quickly change that practice and they wouldnt stay in buisness long enough. Its not good buisness practice and people wouldnt work under those terms plain and simple.

Yes, the union can and did stop that. You have just proved how truely ignorant you are, as that was one of the things that ALPA was formed to stop. Just because you don't have a vote your first year doesn't mean that ALPA will not represent you if you are improperly terminated. And good business practice would NOT stop that, any more than criminally low first year pay would stop the flow of willing pilots to fly these shiny jets for 18k a year. Either you need to read "flying the line", or you have and are too stupid to realize why ALPA was formed in the first place. uke:

 

[D'Angelo]

Yes, the union can and did stop that. You have just proved how truely ignorant you are, as that was one of the things that ALPA was formed to stop. Just because you don't have a vote your first year doesn't mean that ALPA will not represent you if you are improperly terminated. And good business practice would NOT stop that, any more than criminally low first year pay would stop the flow of willing pilots to fly these shiny jets for 18k a year. Either you need to read "flying the line", or you have and are too stupid to realize why ALPA was formed in the first place. uke:

Actually when on probation you can be fired for just about anything hence the world being on probation. I highly doubt that has ever happened in the time ive been at comair. It must be fun going through life paranoid thinking everyone is out to get you and without a union you are totally defenseless and cannot figure anything out for yourself. Ive never personally heard of anyone getting fired for no reason on probation. Could it happen? probably, ive heard stories at eagle if you dont do well on your probie ride they could get rid of you. I dont know of anyone that this has happened to at comair. The point is anything is possible. You have to live your life and roll with the punches. Hell tomorrow there could be a massive Y52506 bug planted in all airplanes by evil managements from the past that causes all aircraft computers to not boot up so no airplanes can go flying that day.If it happens then you just dont go flying that day. You simply cant worry about every possibility otherwise you could spend hours out of every day worrying.