Skywest bid for USAirways 900 flying?

[SkyNation]

should the Yankees let the Sox win a few games, just to keep them on the same level? do they 'owe' that to them for the 'sake of the industry?' of course not, it's a stupid idea because they are COMPETING with each other, and to the winner goes the spoils. they play to WIN.

SkyWest is COMPETING with other regionals for future flying. we play to WIN, and winning is obtained by MAKING MORE $, gaining flying, and providing the best possible future so we don't LOSE our winnings.

if we make more than our competitors, continue to gain flying, and further solidify our position, aren't we winning? of course we are.

are you suggesting the we somehow 'owe' it to our competitors to just let them 'win a few?'

(no flame intended, but expecting the usual flames in return)

PS-GO SOX!!

 

[Gofish]

Sky,

Hate to break it to you but your so called "winnings" have the potential to destroy other peoples lives.

What gain is there in this I ask you?

 

[mamba20]

should the Yankees let the Sox win a few games, just to keep them on the same level? do they 'owe' that to them for the 'sake of the industry?' of course not, it's a stupid idea because they are COMPETING with each other, and to the winner goes the spoils. they play to WIN.

SkyWest is COMPETING with other regionals for future flying. we play to WIN, and winning is obtained by MAKING MORE $, gaining flying, and providing the best possible future so we don't LOSE our winnings.

if we make more than our competitors, continue to gain flying, and further solidify our position, aren't we winning? of course we are.

are you suggesting the we somehow 'owe' it to our competitors to just let them 'win a few?'

(no flame intended, but expecting the usual flames in return)

PS-GO SOX!!

I'm going to guess by your name that your a Skywest pilot as well. Good for you, why dont you keep your ideas of competition to yourself. Your slamming a pilot group that is in a bad way right now. Your a real ********************ing hero to come on here and brag about how good it is over there.

Thats at least the second dumbass post from a Skywest guy on this thread so far. Is your whole airline made up of douchbags like you?

 

[dollacrackho]

should the Yankees let the Sox win a few games, just to keep them on the same level? do they 'owe' that to them for the 'sake of the industry?' of course not, it's a stupid idea because they are COMPETING with each other, and to the winner goes the spoils. they play to WIN.

SkyWest is COMPETING with other regionals for future flying. we play to WIN, and winning is obtained by MAKING MORE $, gaining flying, and providing the best possible future so we don't LOSE our winnings.

if we make more than our competitors, continue to gain flying, and further solidify our position, aren't we winning? of course we are.

are you suggesting the we somehow 'owe' it to our competitors to just let them 'win a few?'

(no flame intended, but expecting the usual flames in return)

PS-GO SOX!!

yeah, you'll probably get plenty of flames because you're a freaking MORON.
you lose also in the long run dumb a$$ . i would rather see 900's go to mainline and be flown at fair rates than be flown at psa for crap even though it might benefit me a good amount in the SHORT RUN. i want to see the majors thrive again so i actually have something to work for instead of building some walmart nation regional airline that takes over the world and makes just a few people at the top a big pile of money. the future damnit!
p.s. the red sox and yankess are pickle smokers. go mets!!

 

[Bluto]

should the Yankees let the Sox win a few games, just to keep them on the same level?

Wow. Really nice analogy. Not. Nobody is concerned that SkyWest is "winning" too much. I would seriously hope that you can see that, or I would question your cognitive abilities. What concerns people, and should probably concern you, too, is that SkyWest may be growing, in some cases, specifically because of relatively low labor costs (50-seat wages up to 99 seats). This sets a dangerous precedence for all airlines (including SkyWest.) More importantly, the more mainline-style airplanes at places like SkyWest or PSA, the fewer there will be for those who want to move on to a major in the future. If, based on your previous anti-union posts, you are one of the many "career regional" wannabes, this still effects you. More major jobs = more movement for you = better schedule/domicile/whatever it is you want.

 

[Morning Wood]

Jesus H. Christ people. You're bickering about something that didn't even happen. Get over yourselves already.

 

[SkyNation]

I've said before and repeat, I would hope that things work out for everyone, they live where they want, make a respectable amount of $, and their jobs are intact for as long as they would like them to be. I guess in some sort of fantasy world, that could be the case. the harsh reality is that we ARE each others competition, and those who can't compete will perish. it's business, plain and simple.

I understand precedence as a factor. I want to make more to fly the variants of the RJ, like anyone would. I also place a lot of value on maintaining our current flying, attracting new flying, and continuing to make at or above what I hear others that are comparably employed at other regionals make.

I post stuff that I believe to be the case, knowing it will incite the types of responses above. At the end of the day, however, it comes down to who delivers the best overall package, and for me, it is SkyWest. I'd probably feel different if I was from the East coast, despised the regionals, etc. To each his own.

Bluto, if we voted in ALPA, got paid more but started to continually lose flying, downsize our current fleet, and wither, are you suggesting that we would be better off? Of course no one knows if that would happen, but what does history show us? For me, it shows that SkyWest does things a little different, and as a result I make more, feel more secure about my future here . My family, lifestyle, QOL etc. will always trump antiquated notions of somehow 'owing it' to my fellow competitors.

anyway, back to the bitchfest. I need to go cash my Bonus checks anyway.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

Mesa won't get any new USAir East flying. DP doesn't like doing biz with JO.

 

[utahpilot]

I was at Air Wisconsin, now I'm at SkyWest. I can promise you that a bunch of formerly DEN based guys/gals now commuting to ORF, DCA and PHL wish now that AWAC could have competed more effectively to retain their UEX flying.

the devil is in the details. our rates may be a buck or two below some, but when you look at the whole package, I think we make more. I'm only a 2nd year FO and I'll make in the mid 50K range. 4 and 5 year captains I fly with all seem to say they make in the 80's or even 90's.

 

[Gofish]

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[SKYWRJGUY]

Surely you don't expect SGU to let us know what's going on until after the fact. That's never been part of the MO...we'll find out when you find out.

 

[EDUC8-or]

should the Yankees let the Sox win a few games, just to keep them on the same level? do they 'owe' that to them for the 'sake of the industry?' of course not, it's a stupid idea because they are COMPETING with each other, and to the winner goes the spoils. they play to WIN.

SkyWest is COMPETING with other regionals for future flying. we play to WIN, and winning is obtained by MAKING MORE $, gaining flying, and providing the best possible future so we don't LOSE our winnings.

if we make more than our competitors, continue to gain flying, and further solidify our position, aren't we winning? of course we are.

are you suggesting the we somehow 'owe' it to our competitors to just let them 'win a few?'

(no flame intended, but expecting the usual flames in return)

PS-GO SOX!!

The Yankees and the Sox don't play to win by lowering the bar (unlike SkyWorst).

And I'm a Cubs fan, so I'm just plain bitter during the sumer. Period.

 

[atlcrjdriver]

Question, with this all being only a rumor it may be a moot point, did SKW or SKW, Inc bid for this flying? If it was SKW, Inc then the bid may be for ASA to fly the CR9. Once the ASA contract is settled, I don't see the SKW pay scales staying what they are for very long.

Fly Safe...

 

[007]

I think the reason a lot of guys at Skywest don't care is that they are mostly lifers there, with no intentions to go anywhere. So, in order to move up, the only thing to do is to undercut the majors. They all know this deep down somewhere.....but don't seem to worry about it too much. I think it's a great company, but if you guys don't wake up, you'll be flying a 737 for the 100-150 seat rate.

P.s. don't start with the argument that the majors pay the same for all the 737's, it's based on the biggest 73 they have not the smallest.

 

[Rogue5]

I think the reason a lot of guys at Skywest don't care is that they are mostly lifers there, with no intentions to go anywhere. So, in order to move up, the only thing to do is to undercut the majors. They all know this deep down somewhere.....

I am amazed that you have such insight into the career aspirations of over 2300 pilots. How do you account for the current shortage of Captains and the subsequent running of upgrades at max capacity in both aircraft? I was under the impression it had something to do with many of my friends moving on to CAL, SWA, going back to UAL, etc... I just had three buddies go interview at Cathay, and another is going to Emirates in a week or two, a couple of guys are working their angles at FDX and UPS (good luck on that), and this is just at one medium sized domicile. But you say SKYW pilots are lifers?

I'd venture to say that most pilots here are not lifers and that this is one of the very reasons they come here, get on, upgrade in a year or two, get treated fairly well while here and then are prepared and qualified to move on when the opportunity presents itself.

Lifers could probably be found more often at other regionals such as Horizon and Eagle where pilots are hired knowing full well upgrade is eons away but go there anyway.

I am not in any way condoning the 700/900 pay issue, but I am just amazed when people who have no idea of the mindset of a pilot group feel compelled (a la General Lee) to tell the world with absolute certainty how it works over here.

 

[front9]

but if you guys don't wake up, you'll be flying a 737 for the 100-150 seat rate.

You're right, we should be flying the 737 for the 250 - 400 seat rate. What we're we thinking?

 

[amcnd]

I think the reason a lot of guys at Skywest don't care is that they are mostly lifers there, with no intentions to go anywhere. So, in order to move up, the only thing to do is to undercut the majors. They all know this deep down somewhere.....but don't seem to worry about it too much. I think it's a great company, but if you guys don't wake up, you'll be flying a 737 for the 100-150 seat rate.

P.s. don't start with the argument that the majors pay the same for all the 737's, it's based on the biggest 73 they have not the smallest.

SkyWest is losing 26 pilot's a month to the majors! not all are "lifers"

 

[Socalplt]

Lifers? Sure the top 200-300 maybe.

If the junior captain at Eagle had come to Skywest at the same hire date he'd sit at about #400 of 2330.

 

[sflax]

When did the Majors starting hiring, did I miss that post. So is Mesa, Comair, ASA, and all the other ones are losing about the same. So these guys are willing to move over seas, that sounds good for about 1% of us.

 

[CallmeJB]

I've said before and repeat, I would hope that things work out for everyone, they live where they want, make a respectable amount of $, and their jobs are intact for as long as they would like them to be. I guess in some sort of fantasy world, that could be the case. the harsh reality is that we ARE each others competition, and those who can't compete will perish. it's business, plain and simple.

REM put it best: Everybody hurts, sometime.

PSA has been 'losing the competition'. Their hope for growth seemingly went out the window when AWAC bought (more or less) the flying for 70 rjs. Then when an opportunity came for PSA, a few of us tried to help them out so they could get what they deserve.

I hope your SkyWest 'winning' lasts forever, or at least long enough for you to upgrade and get your time. Because if you start 'losing' your flying and your profit sharing bonus, your attitude will probably change.

just my $.02