Skywest/ASA merger

[labbats]

I guess you missed the wink and the sarcasm directed at the quoted poster and his previously stated animosity toward Comair and their perceived injustices toward DL furloughees.

Or maybe you just have a "cobb" up your a@@, since you have been shafted by JI. I don't know. Which is it?

When I have 18000 hours and am about to retire, I'll probably steer clear of the regional forums. Why don't you just float away?

 

[Yank McCobb]

What do you care? I can piss away my time any way I choose. I choose to rattle the cages of the easily rattled. And there are no cages easier to rattle than the overly sensitive, insecure and WAY too self-important regional pilots and wannabe regional pilots.

 

[outtahere]

Hey General, you better watch out for ole' Grinstien. ASA getting sold my be the best thing that could happen to us. It sounds to me that he is not "planning" on failing, he is simply sabotaging the whole works. Maybe its time to take off the rose colored glasses and get out your check book.

 

[General Lee]

Hey General, you better watch out for ole' Grinstien. ASA getting sold my be the best thing that could happen to us. It sounds to me that he is not "planning" on failing, he is simply sabotaging the whole works. Maybe its time to take off the rose colored glasses and get out your check book.

First of all, why would I get out my check book? I am lost with that one. You mean I wouldn't be paid as much? I wouldn't pay anyone with my check book.


So, are you sure about being better off? Ever seen the way SkyWest management negotiates with their pilots? They are still flying the 70 seaters at 50 seat rates. And you want a raise? You won't get squat. As far as Grinstein and how he works, he was very happy to get our cost cuts--$1 billion a year for 5 years. He may ask us again, but it is likely he is going after the other employees with no contracts. We are on track for cost cutting, it is just that we were LATE in initiating it. The gas thing doesn't help either, and he is trying to do this out of court, but this memo thing is a way to prep people for some sort of pay cuts. The pilots, in reality, are becoming cheaper---since 1800 senior Captains have left in 1 year---and junior pilots with less longevity are now flying the larger aircraft at lower rates due to years of service. The stews, on the otherhand, are not retiring and most are 30 year plus mamas. Where will he go first?

ASA getting sold to SkyWest or someone else (maybe Mesa) won't be that much fun. Pay raises aren't in anyone's future (myself included) for along time if you are connected to Delta. That is just the way it is. But, maybe someday things will turn around and you will be able to go to DELWEST (DL/NW merge) and get that much deserved raise.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[doh]

If Northwest buys Delta they will take the first part of the name from "Northwest Airlines" and the second part of the name from "Delta Airlines". The new name will thus be Northwest Airlines.

 

[General Lee]

If Northwest buys Delta they will take the first part of the name from "Northwest Airlines" and the second part of the name from "Delta Airlines". The new name will thus be Northwest Airlines.

Nobody will BUY anyone. A merger would probably happen. Then, they will look at who has more airplanes and which fleet would be more expensive to repaint. That will determine the eventual name. Thank GAWD we have soooooo many RJs with the "DELTA CONNECTION" name on them..........We may come out the winner.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Black Water Dog]

And, if we (DL) do go Chap 11, there is a very good chance ASA will be sold to somebody----just so we can pay the Bankruptcy lawyers......

Surely there has to be more players involved than SkyWest ... I hope.

 

[General Lee]

Surely there has to be more players involved than SkyWest ... I hope.

Yeah, I heard Mesa might be interested. JO loves that Southern Accent down here in ATL......


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[shamrock]

JO loves that Southern Accent down here in ATL......

Maybe he can come on down and we can bring him up into the north Georgia mountains for a little Ned Beatty treatment. He can find out how it feels to be on the receiving end.

 

[Smacktard]

And then all of the Skywest pilots will be on the street too! You seriously expect ASA guys would stick around for that? Here ya go Skywest, have 160 planes and no pilots! That'd help the bottom line for sure! And then...down goes Delta! I'd love to be part of taking down 3 airlines in a matter of weeks, that'd have to be a record.

 

[surplus1]

Then again, MESA is up 11% so maybe MESA will announce next week that it has purchased ASA. DAL will then cancel it's SLC ccontract with SKYW and give all of that flying to MESA.

You got it wrong. MESA will make an offer but it will be for Delta not ASA. They just haven't told the General as yet.

The deal won't go through though. Instead DL and NW will merge (in Ch.11) and the General will become a 7-400 captain flying MSP-ANC twice a day . Duan Wrth will be his FO.

Song will change its name to Swan and fade away. The "new and improved" airline will be called Legacy Express.

The new Legacy Express will retire all the narrow body aircaft (including the RJ fleet(s)) and replace them with 10 Airbus 380's in high density configuration for medium and long range domestic service (this will finally compete successfully with JB). The former DL 76's and the NW 320's will replace all the RJ service on the short haul routes, establishing a new high of pax comfort in "regional" service by eliminating those useless RJs from the fleet (PCL and MSA will close). [This will cook the AirTrans and SWA geese]. The General will get a big bonus for helping the company to realize that big airplanes are cheaper and better than small airplanes on short routes.

This plan, coupled with more pay reductions and a new surge in furloughs, will reduce CASM, allow Legacy to compete effectively with JB, AirTran and SWA, and return Legacy to profitability.

CMR will be sold by DL for 10 cents on the dollar to raise cash for DL's merger costs, after which it will be acquired by Chit and stapled to the bottom of the MDA list. Pay will be reduced to MESA -20%, then ...

MESA will be forced out of the equation, but JO will recover by signing a code share agreement with Great Lakes. Together they will provide shuttle services to the new Trump casino in LAS and tours of the Grand Canyon.

SKYW will buy ASA, after which the Mormons will be converted to Southern Baptists in the service of United. A new industry leading "flow up" plan to UAL will provide career advancement to the good mainline jobs beginning in 2020 when UAL emerges from Chapter 11.

The future is bright!

 

[~~~^~~~]

Surplus:

RIF LOL LMAO

Now there is coffee stuck in the keyboard. A true study of the industry you are.

Forget Skywest. The have looked up ASA's skirt and decided they did not like what they saw. Perhaps Delta could spin ASA and Comair off to some private equity investors ( aka - lenders with a lot to lose ). The problem with finding outside investors is that no one wants to buy a company in decline unless they get it really, really, cheap.

The growth airframe - the E170 - has been placed at the Chatauqua / Republic / Mid Atlantic Company thingy. The E170 and its cousin the E190 are a growth market and certainly the Chatauqua / Republic / Mid Atlantic Company thingy will do well ( and attract investors ).

To sell ASA, or Comair, Delta has to make them sexy. You know a little wash job and a tire shine ( airplane order ). But nobody wants a bunch of 50 seaters coming up on major maintenance.

Welcome back - no hard feelings 'eh?

~~~^~~~

 

[soup can]

Nice try for a thread hijack. The street knows things and with most airline stocks down and Skywest up a buck and at times a buck and a quarter why is one company trading much higher than the industry. I guess we'll find out in the next month. (or maybe not) As for staples, I hear that more from ASA guys than Skywest guys. Based on previous aquisitions Skywest has always stapled. Ya'll don't have the balls or the solidarity to shut them down.
Regionals are bottom feeders.

Late

 

[jehtplane]

. Based on previous aquisitions Skywest has always stapled. Ya'll don't have the balls or the solidarity to shut them down.
Regionals are bottom feeders.

Late

We shall see.

 

[Palerider957]

Unfortunately, I think soupcan is correct.


ASA pilots are used and abused daily, but are still turning in record performence numbers. As a group, they must not be too upset at their treatment, or simply afraid to force reform.

 

[jehtplane]

Unfortunately, I think soupcan is correct.


ASA pilots are used and abused daily, but are still turning in record performence numbers. As a group, they must not be too upset at their treatment, or simply afraid to force reform.

What should we do, or what would you do, walk off the job today? Don't talk smack about something you know nothing about. And if you work for us than put up or shut up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think that you would be amazed at the resolve of our pilot group. We have a great group. Skywest pilot's have nothing to talk about Mr I will fly a 747 for emb-120 pay! Management is holding out, well that is a two way street. SO ARE WE! We are not fighting for mediocre pay and benies like some other places have settled for!

 

[R2D cup]

We shall see.

Whatever dude, you talk tough behind a computer monitor but we all know you'll will be flying 70 seaters at 50 seater pay faster than I can say "lower the Bar". You'll show up to work everyday greatful you have a job.

Hugs
Gordy

 

[jehtplane]

Whatever dude, you talk tough behind a computer monitor but we all know you'll will be flying 70 seaters at 50 seater pay faster than I can say "lower the Bar". You'll show up to work everyday greatful you have a job.

Hugs
Gordy

YYYYYEEEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!! .Look forward to having you in my right seat!!!!!!!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Unfortunately, I think soupcan is correct.


ASA pilots are used and abused daily, but are still turning in record performence numbers. As a group, they must not be too upset at their treatment, or simply afraid to force reform.

Hey,
However it pans out, if SKYW purchases ASA and decides to operate as it as a seperate operation, watch out if they offer"preferential interviews" to ASA pilots. This is the big signal that the drawdown is coming, SKYW does not like to be the bad guy, parallel operations of the airlines, transferring assets slowly(so as not to cause panic), cherry picking from the pilot group(junior guys willing to jump certificates to gain senority. SKYW does not like to be confrontational and will avoid at all costs, the appearance, make no mistake if they want it to happen, it will and you will be left standing there wondering "WTF" how'd that happen? DAL has just neen slicing off as much as it can from its employee groups befor it enters BK, then it will slash and burn the rest of the contractual stuff like pensions and leases on a/c. with scope leading the way as targets. Wait and see, want a preview? UAL...
PBR

 

[jehtplane]

Hey,
However it pans out, if SKYW purchases ASA and decides to operate as it as a seperate operation, watch out if they offer"preferential interviews" to ASA pilots. This is the big signal that the drawdown is coming, SKYW does not like to be the bad guy, parallel operations of the airlines, transferring assets slowly(so as not to cause panic), cherry picking from the pilot group(junior guys willing to jump certificates to gain senority. SKYW does not like to be confrontational and will avoid at all costs, the appearance, make no mistake if they want it to happen, it will and you will be left standing there wondering "WTF" how'd that happen? DAL has just neen slicing off as much as it can from its employee groups befor it enters BK, then it will slash and burn the rest of the contractual stuff like pensions and leases on a/c. with scope leading the way as targets. Wait and see, want a preview? UAL...
PBR

The only thing Skypest is trying to do is buy into the Delta network before they are left standing without a chair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!