Skywest - ASA Merger/Purchase

[shamrock]

Nothing to do with Skywest. Who ever told you that was joking. The owners of the building are who threw the lunch for everyone who leases space there. Not saying Skywest rumour not true, IT WAS FOR PEOPLE WHO LEASE IN THE BLDG. They do this every once in a while. All flight ops people where there for a meeting, planned a while ago..... still not saying the rumour is not true.

I believe he was being sarcastic, Jeht.

 

[Gobi Gred]

Why does everybody think there will be a merger of the seniority lists? Isn't it possible that SkyWest could keep ASA as a wholly owned subsidery just like Delta has? I'm not an expert with this stuff (I just drive) but I think that is a possibility.

 

[Silent Partner]

I think we (ASA) should be happy that Skywest is buying us (or as it is said). Because from a reliable source, wish I could say who, told me that MESA made a bid to buy us and then Delta told Skywest "hey you want to make another bid?" Because another airline (MESA) made us a nice bid. So if or not this skywest deal is true (it is true). . . we could have been sold to MESA.

 

[Bluto]

Unfortunately, I think maintaining seperate lists would be cost prohibitive in a case like this. Think how much more efficiently a single list would work for the company.

Incidentally, I'm still hoping it doesn't happen, but if it does, I and l the SkyWest pilots I know will do everything within our power to insure that DOH is not the integration method. A percentile merger would have the least impact on QOL for both parties while a DOH merger would give ASA pilots in general an unreasonable benefit over their SkyWest equivalents. I don't want to get rich off the deal, but I don't see why my career expectations should be dashed because I chose the more financially secure company.

 

[Gobi Gred]

You may be right about a single list being more cost effective, but as far as having a say in the matter of seniority list intergration, you have none!
SAPA is not a real union! SkyWest pilots are at will employees without a legal binding contract. Management will do whatever it wants. The SkyWest pilots are along for the ride on this one.

 

[Rogue5]

You may be right about a single list being more cost effective, but as far as having a say in the matter of seniority list intergration, you have none!
SAPA is not a real union! SkyWest pilots are at will employees without a legal binding contract. The SkyWest pilots are along for the ride on this one.

Thanks. Appreciate that one, really!

Hadn't thought of it like that. Lucky we've got someone like yourself to point out such things. Come to think of it, I'm really shocked that such a basic fact could have gone un-noticed by 2000 pilots living that situation day by day, our careers currently in the balance...

WELL! All I can say is that thanks to G.G. here I'm gonna go right out and start working on gettin' us some legally binding re-pre-sen-ta-SHUN. I wish someone woulda put it like that for us years ago! Sheesh!
Two things, in all seriousness:

ALPA carrier list merger is straight DOH, non? This would not have helped us.

Name a previous list integration of two union carriers that satisfied the stipulations of both carriers list integration contract provisions.

Regardless, I hope and imagine the responses to those questions will not affect our next ALPA vote negatively. I think most here at SKYW still have faith that ALPA is the right thing to do now, more than ever. Just please don't insult us with the tired patronization...

We know where we're at and what we need to do. Just remember that few of you had ANY involvement in the unionization of your pilot group, so tone it down a bit please...

 

[Gobi Gred]

Rouge 5,

Sorry to point out the obvious and to be so blunt.
"Now is not the right time"
"A union will slow down our growth"
"We're different and we're better"
"It's only 18 months" (remember that one?)
"You don't need ALPA to maximize your career opportunites" (July 2, 1999)
"You already enjoy wages benefits, and work rules that are the envy of many in the airline industry. More importantly,you have an excellent relationship with an outstanding company that genuinely cares about you and is motivated to keep you happy. All of this is yours without paying ALPA a dime of your money." (July 23,1999)

My point is that too many pilots at SkyWest still buy into some of the above quotes. But hopefully you are right and that is changing. I quess we will see. Good luck to us all.

 

[jehtplane]

Incidentally, I'm still hoping it doesn't happen, but if it does, I and l the SkyWest pilots I know will do everything within our power to insure that DOH is not the integration method. A percentile merger would have the least impact on QOL for both parties while a DOH merger would give ASA pilots in general an unreasonable benefit over their SkyWest equivalents. I don't want to get rich off the deal, but I don't see why my career expectations should be dashed because I chose the more financially secure company.[/QUOTE]









As will the nearly 2000 ASA pilots!!!

 

[michael707767]

ALPA carrier list merger is straight DOH, non? This would not have helped us.

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No, ALPA merger policy is not straight DOH.

 

[Toecutter]

I agree. I don't think there has ever been a DOH merger. I know National and Pan Am were not DOH and Pan Am and Delta were not DOH either. All were ALPA. Not only was Pan Am and Delta no DOH , but was based on aircraft type. If you were on the 727 or A310 , you were lucky, if you were 747, A300, 737, you were SOL.

 

[FDJ2]

Name a previous list integration of two union carriers that satisfied the stipulations of both carriers list integration contract provisions....

Delta-Western

 

[PropsR4Boats]

Your wrong SkyWest should do it if it will benefit the guys and gals in the board room, oh don't forget about there dumpy friends that live in big homes on golf courses next to the house that was formerly owned by an airline pilot until it was repossessed last year!

 

[~~~^~~~]

I don't think the Skywest deal is near fruition. As the ASA pilots collective bargaining agent, ALPA would have to be notified of a change in ownership. Then the fur will start flying.

ALPA has failed twice in their attempts to get the Skywest pilots to vote in representation. ALPA will not lose their ASA pilots to Skywest without at least a token battle ( and perhaps a real battle ) to represent all the pilots on the Skywest property.

Now it has been a very long time since we saw ALPA use all the tools available to them, but since Skywest is independant and the power in the Delta & UAL MEC's have no objection, ALPA would probably reach into their legal toolbag and come up with the following:

1> Force an election under the National Mediation Board

2> If Skywest tried to hold ASA under some sort of corporate entity simply as a tool to avoid a merger ( as is done now at Delta ) ALPA will put forward a single carrier petition, and win it.

Please allow me to be clear. ALPA has completely and totally failed to represent the ASA and Comair pilots on the Delta property. ALPA has not even made a shallow attempt to represent ASA pilots since the Delta buy out. The same would not be true on the Skywest property. ALPA will fight to bring Skywest into the fold and to that extent to bring their pilots under control.

Whether or not the combined pilot list would vote ALPA in is another debate. Anyone know the exact size of the Skywest seniority list? ASA is about 1,756, but around 200 of those are holding seniority numbers while in management.

 

[geardown]

I agree that ALPA must be notified and I have no idea if this rumor has any truth to it, but ALPA wasn't notified about the DFW closing unitl a few minutes prior to the announcement.

 

[michael707767]

I don't think the Skywest deal is near fruition. As the ASA pilots collective bargaining agent, ALPA would have to be notified of a change in ownership. Then the fur will start flying.

I have three thoughts Fins. First, does ALPA have to be notified? I would question that. Second, if in fact ALPA does need to be notified, what is the time frame? I mean, could Skip call ALPA an hour before its announced and satisfy that requirement? And last, how do you know ALPA does not know, but has to keep quiet about it? Thats not the kind of info that can be publically diseminated without someone trying to take advantage of it in the stock market.
Michael

 

[~~~^~~~]

If you see Duane Woerth in a Citation X doing Mach .999 headed for the Skywest Crew Lounge with a load of cake, ice cream, pizza and ALPA stickers, then ALPA has been notified.

Closing a base doesn't get ALPA excited. A chance to bring Skywest into the fold has the same effect on ALPA that Angelina Jolie has on me.

~~~^~~~

 

[Garf]

Skywest seniority list is now 2080.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Skywest seniority list is now 2080.

And a large number of them are sheep and lemmings, so I expect ASA senority list to come out ahead.
PBR

 

[CheckandSet]

And a large number of them are sheep and lemmings, so I expect ASA senority list to come out ahead.
PBR

ya 1 asa for five skywest ! A$$$

 

[PBRstreetgang]

ya 1 asa for five skywest ! A$$$

Is that what brad says? I heard DOH, enjoy reserve, tool!

 

[av8tor02]

you all sound like a bunch of brats.......what happens.....happens....! quit whining about it.

 

[Bluto]

No, you sound like a brat. NANANANA I can't hear you!

 

[puddlejumper101]

we all whine and complain like we had any control over this

 

[EUT]

hmmmm...... Awfully quiet down in Atlanta today.

 

[Crash Pad]

Based on this message board I bought 1000 shares of Delta knowing that the sale of ASA was coming... I bet my savings on the reliable info on this board... How did I go wrong?

 

[michael707767]

hmmmm...... Awfully quiet down in Atlanta today.

the calm before the storm

 

[RoyalAviation2]

Thats funny- my captain was convinced we would see an announcement when checking in for our trip this morning. I laughed and told him it ain't gonna happen.

 

[scarlet]

What happened to the 15th...

And all those mergers you were talking about --the other airlines were going out of business...National--western--twa--Pan AM--

Anyone knows that these companies were going down and that is why they did not go DOH---HELLO-----

If no DOH ASA will trash the airline--break things in the cockpit--write everthing u[--CONSTANTALY---MX---BEST--Safety for all PAX....

 

[Rogue5]

What happened to the 15th...

And all those mergers you were talking about --the other airlines were going out of business...National--western--twa--Pan AM--

Anyone knows that these companies were going down and that is why they did not go DOH---HELLO-----

If no DOH ASA will trash the airline--break things in the cockpit--write everthing u[--CONSTANTALY---MX---BEST--Safety for all PAX....

First off: very professional.

Second: To the list of carriers that you listed as going out of business you can every legacy carrier in the US currently in or on the verge of bankruptcy, DAL included. DAL is actively looking to sell assets (in this case, a wholly-owned regional subsidiary, much like a gate or aircraft) at fire-sale prices in order to stave off such bankruptcy. The fact that ASA as a unit may be profitable means nothing once you were bought by DAL: your future is now tied to theirs and as such you are in an unenviable financial position.

Third: I truly hope your final line was the result of a drunken tantrum, if not I have no words to express my concern that you are responsible for people's lives...

 

[Exskydiverdrivr]

If no DOH ASA will trash the airline--break things in the cockpit--write everthing u[--CONSTANTALY---MX---BEST--Safety for all PAX....

I bet you're a new hire F.O., (If that), and fear losing a whole 50 numbers in a merge. Please share your wisdom, Mr. Hoffa on why a D.O.H. is fair to the Pilot who chose to work at A financially solvent airline, while you chose to work elsewhere. Bet you were dreaming of some magical flowthrough that someone was gonna pull out of thier A@*! Why don't you guys quit sweating the unknown?

But since I'm in the discussion now- A percentage based integration would seem to me to be the most fair for all concerned. (Offending the least amount of people) Except you of course! Have a nice day!