Skyway Exodus

[Propsfullfwd]

Well 2 weeks ago at XJT we were 6 for 6. We all got hired. One started class and there will be 4 of us on tues and one more on the 6th. My last count on the list was 268. I know of 3 with XJT interviews and 2 with Pinnacle later this week. One with ASA. I think almost every FO has something in the works. Skyway was a good place to work. I do not think it is SYX management. It would be Midwest and SYX is their Puppet...

Props

 

[RP170]

I agree that TH and Midwest are the source of the problems at Skyway. It's hard to make any futuristic business decisions involving growth when you are tied to Midwest. I still think one of the reasons why the Delta flying didn't happen is because he was afraid to watch Skyway grow and become larger than Midwest. I doubt you'll see any new 328's on the property either since TH is so concerned with becoming "cash neutral" which isn't going to happen unless fuel costs come down.

I guarantee you though that he will run Midwest into the ground if they don't change around their business model soon (flying 717's with 88 seats) and grow the regional side of the company (Skyway). I have heard rumors of AirTran looking to merge with Midwest and apparently TH didn't deny it when it was brought up at a meeting. I don't think Midwest will survive on its own. Rumors of course, but that puts an interesting spin on things.

 

[dukeflr]

Hey Z-28,
Thanks, you should call me!

Props,
I expect full gouge when i arrive!

Jobear,
I am pleased to hear she has graduated from the 1 liter to the 2 liter. Very impressive!

Chicken out!

 

[Z28_Pilot]

Hey Z-28,
Thanks, you should call me!

Hey, I'll give you a call today.....I'm heading back to IAH from MCO in a couple hours...

P.S. nice "current position" - eatin' pasties on the beech
too bad Gram's Pasties is the only food w/in walking distance in ESC........wait I think EVERYTHING is w/in walking distance in ESC, surprised the hotel even has a crew van!

 

[samballs]

The reason delta didn't pick up Skyway is because Skyway wanted delta to give them the planes and pay them to. No company wants the 328 its slow holds no people and has mx problems. NOw I hate mesa their the scum of the industry. But they offered delta a better deal and they bit (bad move). Skyway just sat back and hoped someone would give them something for nothing. Don't defend Rankin he sucks and we all knew it. Hes Tims little B#tch. The week before the deal fell through he said it was still in the works then 7 days later Jim failed Skyway again. Then in the paper May 4th some lady said they knew a week in a half ago that the deal wasn't gonna most likely happen. Great company leaving before the crap fell was my best move in aviation to date.

 

[ilinipilot]

To get the thread back on track.

Some things to think about

It is no surprise that JR doesnt want the beeches past 08. So if you get 5 jets now, but get rid of 5 beeches you are looking at neutral a/c growth. If you get 5 planes and retire 8 beeches you get -3 a/c growth. You have to get more jets than total beeches to see any kind of positive a/c growth. This is all happening when lots of junior guys are looking to upgrade, 2 years from now. (makes it tough, doesn't it)

When you project your career out 3-4 years that is what makes the decision to leave skyway easier.

at skyway: Year 1 FO, year 2 turboprop Cpt maybe in year 5 you can get to jet cpt. in 5 years lots of turbine PIC but little jet PIC. Yes you are able to apply to majors but are you competitve? When will the Jet PIC time come???

If you go to another regional and upgrade in 3 years it makes sense to leave. By year 5 you have over a thousand hours of jet PIC, plus better pay, and QOL.

Just some foods for thought.

D

 

[EX_CV580FR8Dawg]

I quit drinking the syx kool-aid that uncle timmy and brother jim have been serving to us.

 

[ilinipilot]

S diggity is the BOMB

 

[Lowvis]

S diggity can eat my A$$ on Sunday... O yea watch out for that Tread-mill in LSE it can mess up some ankles...

Hey dude PM me your #...

LOW

 

[greenpickle]

Whatever

The reason delta didn't pick up Skyway is because Skyway wanted delta to give them the planes and pay them to. No company wants the 328 its slow holds no people and has mx problems. NOw I hate mesa their the scum of the industry. But they offered delta a better deal and they bit (bad move). Skyway just sat back and hoped someone would give them something for nothing. Don't defend Rankin he sucks and we all knew it. Hes Tims little B#tch. The week before the deal fell through he said it was still in the works then 7 days later Jim failed Skyway again. Then in the paper May 4th some lady said they knew a week in a half ago that the deal wasn't gonna most likely happen. Great company leaving before the crap fell was my best move in aviation to date.

Samballs - you are not only an angry misdirected soul but you are also clueless. Rankin is the only reason we are having any chance at all at growth. he is the one beaten on the doors for business. You would be complaining if he wasnt doing anything. You have moved on, get over yourself. Go bag on your new employer if you want but leave us alone. You probably were pi$$ing yourself with excitement when you got your job at Skyway and now it was the "most depressing time" of your life. You are just flamebait. For that reason I shouldnt have responded but unfortunately there are people like you out there. Have fun at your new carrier and I hope they are your promised land that you always hope for. You will be sorely missed.

GP

 

[hyepilot]

GP:

I feel the same way, and you said it without lowering yourself to the lower levels of some.

HP

 

[BlackPilot628]

Samballs - you are not only an angry misdirected soul but you are also clueless. Rankin is the only reason we are having any chance at all at growth. he is the one beaten on the doors for business. You would be complaining if he wasnt doing anything. You have moved on, get over yourself. Go bag on your new employer if you want but leave us alone. You probably were pi$$ing yourself with excitement when you got your job at Skyway and now it was the "most depressing time" of your life. You are just flamebait. For that reason I shouldnt have responded but unfortunately there are people like you out there. Have fun at your new carrier and I hope they are your promised land that you always hope for. You will be sorely missed.

GP

Well said! That's all he wants is to hear himself talk and piss off everyone on these threads. His day will come! Good Luck to you Skywex guys and grls!

 

[KPTO]

Skyway gave me my first chance in a 121 carrier. The training was excellent; and as a stepping stone for something else, flying those routes in either plane in the upper Midwest schizo weather was a great experience. As pilot group SYX is your nitty gritty type. They are tight, fearless without being reckless, and fun.

The problems at SYX had to do more with the Ol Midamerica attitude about doing business. It is like a friend from Wisc. told me, " ...once you crossed that stateline (IL WI) you enter I time warp, we are always ten years behind..."
The lack of an agresive and disciplined approcah hurt SYX. Mr.Rankin was trying really hard to break the old model on which Mid and Syx had based their relationhip.

As a platform for future expansion a 328 fleet based only in MKE is not feasible. I love flying that bird. Pilots here at COEX (especially those CLE based) always tell how amazing it is to see the DOJO climb" like a homesick angel". We know the issues with the 328 so no need to go there.

I like to welcome all SYX folks that are coming to ExpressJet; feel free to PM. I am a Houstonian so if you need any tribal knowledge of the city or state let me know. The wx is hot,humid and August is not even here yet, but there are things to do and knowing you way around will help. If you have been hired but not in training do not worry, if you survived SYX you will excel at XJET.


Take Folks

 

[Scapegoat]

Hey Hyepilot (are you high?)

2 Things......

1) You are taking a risk if you leave or if you stay. I think IlliniPilot said is best when he said that 1000 hours of 1900D time isnt worth much when compared to all the RJ pilots looking to move up as well. Those guys are not career guys at some of these regionals!

2) You remind me of this guy I used to know. I think I met him at the In-n-Out Burger right next to LAX. But he used to fly Cargo out of IMT so Im sure it isnt you.....Best of luck to all at SYX, great people under management with limited vision!!!

 

[hyepilot]

What would good would it do me to move sideways instead of up? You know given the chance five years ago I probably would have made the move myself. But the fact is that I have a good job that pays my bills for now. I am looking at something else, I don't see myself making a career out of SYX. And who says that a 1000 hours of turbo prop time is worthless? I never read on any application 1000 hours of jet time. Though I'm sure there are companies out there that do require jet pic time, but there are many others that don't make that a requirment.
SWA doesn't say anything about jet time just 1000 turbine pic.
Your right though, we are a great bunch of pilots working for management with limited vision.
HP

 

[GOULET!]

Thank you GP for once again putting it the way it really is at Skyway and not letting people like Samballs to claim that he knows whats really going on. Lets not forget GP that Samballs was sitting in on all the meetings with Tim and Jim. Please....Shut your fat pie hole samballs. Your response to these posts just goes to show how little factual information you even have. Hope the kool-aid at your new job tastes great Samballs.

And GP, let me know where I can ride one of those "things" in your avitar. Looks like something that you could find at the Wisconsin State Fair.

Im out folks!!!

 

[meatwallet]

How many people are leaving Skyway for other airlines, the ones that don't face furlough???

Rumor has it that you're a douchebag

 

[ilinipilot]

Let me clarify, 1000 hours of Turbine PIC is NOT worthless, at all. BUt if your chance to add Jet PIC time to that is very very far off, then it is not as worth while.
If over a 5 year span you can have 1000 hours of Jet PIC in a/c over 20,000lbs, or in five years 2000 hours of only turbine PIC with uncertainty as to when the Jet PIC time will come, then what??

That is my point. If I never know when I will be able to enhance my resume with jet PIC is it worth staying. for me it appears not.


Regards
D

 

[Scapegoat]

Illini Pilot,

You are wiser beyond your years with your last statement.....

Even if you do like the Red Sux!!!!

SG

 

[ShadowFlight]

Illini Pilot,

You are wiser beyond your years with your last statement.....

Even if you do like the Red Sux!!!!

SG

More like he stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Good luck, IP, on your new gig.

Peace

SF