Skybus?

[siucavflight]

Coming from a regional FO, this means about nothing. So while these military guys are waiting for the better carriers to call they cant have jobs? Good on them, an Airbus type and a job while they wait for their shot at FedEx or whatever their choice may be.....good for them! Options are a good thing

Are you saying that because he is a regional FO he does not know anything about the airline industry?

 

[lookin4better]

well in THIS case.....it seems so, since the person posting seems to claim " its what is wrong with this industry" but flies 50 + seat JETS for less than ANY mainline carrier.....I am sure your justification will follow....having fun flying AA's old routes for a fraction of the mainline pay?

I am not trying to be rude or purposly tick you off....no flame here....but seriously, how can anyone at a regional dare throw stones at a Skybus pilot....I think the above word definition, in the last post applies

sorry if I ruffled your little feathers.....relAAx

 

[PCL_128]

The regionals all have pretty similar payscales. There is no regional airline flying 50-seat jets for half of what the other regionals are getting paid. Your analogy doesn't work.

 

[lookin4better]

did you READ?

the comparison by me and others posting is :

MAINLINE ....read again ......nice try

 

[PCL_128]

did you READ?

the comparison by me and others posting is :

MAINLINE ....read again ......nice try

Show me a mainline carrier that flies 50- or 70-seat jets. You can't compare the regionals to the mainline carriers when they fly completely different equipment types.

 

[lookin4better]

If that suits you

 

[siucavflight]

Looking for better, let compare.
A 10 year Eagle CA who flies a 50 seater gets paid 72 dollars an hour
A 10 year AA CA who flies a 777 makes 199 dollars an hour.
The 777 has 223 seats, exactly 4.46 times the number of the fifty seater. According to your logic we would only be under cutting the captain if he was making more then 321 dollars an hour.

If we truly get paid by seats, then the regional pilots are getting a much better deal.

 

[Future Furlough]

well in THIS case.....it seems so, since the person posting seems to claim " its what is wrong with this industry" but flies 50 + seat JETS for less than ANY mainline carrier.....I am sure your justification will follow....having fun flying AA's old routes for a fraction of the mainline pay?

If mainline hadn't thought 50 seat jets beneath them, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

 

[SplitBar]

DITTO !!!....

As unionized employees we as a group need to change,....or it will never stop !

As per the definition of scab, (period).

As was mentioned in a previous post, NWA contract did not enhance the airline pilot profession, it sent it back. I voted no along with 40 % of the pilot group. However, ALPA, specifically our senior pilots drove the yes vote by attaching the PWA to the pension. And the senior pilots walk away with their 12000/month pensions while a junior pilot enjoys a 100/month pension ! NWA ALPA dropped the ball on this one.

As a profession we need to "draw a line in the sand, and begin to take it back, at some point or we are doomed to repeat the past mistakes made by our profession.

Skybus pilots are hopefully the bottom of the industry.

So hopefully as a , we begin to rebuild our profession as a unified group, and act like a union.

Any pilot who takes a job at a undercutting airline, paying substandard wages should be viewed as a scab, because eventually they will pull all wages down towards their level.

So CAL newhires are Scabs? Skybus FO's start out at a higher wage than CAL FO's. I think they even make more than NWA and UPS new hire FO's. I guess they are Scabs too?

 

[lookin4better]

So CAL newhires are Scabs? Skybus FO's start out at a higher wage than CAL FO's. I think they even make more than NWA and UPS new hire FO's. I guess they are Scabs too?

good point, basiclly some people are scared of others who agressively pursue their careers and do what they have to .....I WILL NEVER cross a picket line....but I WILL agressively do what I have to to get hired at the carrier of my choice ahead of others.....its called competition and its as American as Apple pie...

Anyone who works harder than some of these guys to get ahead is a scab....I could care less what they think.

you can call me whatever you want, but I will do what I have to do...and I will state AGAIN crossing a picket line is NOT an option....but getting an edge on others....welcome to a VERY competetive industry....its how it is , Im not here to make others happy with puppy dogs and ice cream....when i get to the carrier of my choice....THEN its time for UNITY! because THAT is where it counts!

Unions are a great thing at the Majors.....but regionals....they are a complete conflict of intrest and only are about the dues.

Fire away! I will be sitting here and laughing

 

[WSurf]

So CAL newhires are Scabs? Skybus FO's start out at a higher wage than CAL FO's. I think they even make more than NWA and UPS new hire FO's. I guess they are Scabs too?

Too Funny! Comparing Skybus pay to UPS!!! Lets see, UPS First year 33.00. Not great, but the second year------->102.00 with a 81 hour guarantee!

Whats Skybus's second year? What? I can't hear you???

Son, never, ever compare UPS to anyone but Fedex!!!

 

[jetflier]

So CAL newhires are Scabs? Skybus FO's start out at a higher wage than CAL FO's. I think they even make more than NWA and UPS new hire FO's. I guess they are Scabs too?

Hey SplitBar,

Your message must have been cut off after the first year pay you mentioned.....Please post the most senior payscales for Skybus,UPS, NWA and CAL.

We'd like to see'em !

Hmmm, what kind of aircraft do you fly, inquiring minds want to know ?

 

[Crossky]

True story, last week on visual final approach at CMH Eagle is telling tower they aborted takeoff. TWR asks why, do they need any assistance. "Vulture on the runway" (yes, vulture). How many vultures (stubborn vultures too no less) do you see on the runway these days? We keep it straight somehow and exiting the runway I tell TWR "we saw that vulture headed for Skybus". TWR: "Roger".

Your time is gonna come to walk your huge gangway plank to a no A/C drop 2 stories to the ground fellas. If you wanna be based in CMH what about NetJets? Catered food, hotel and airline miles, and the pay much more than Skybust!

 

[SplitBar]

Hey SplitBar,

Your message must have been cut off after the first year pay you mentioned.....Please post the most senior payscales for Skybus,UPS, NWA and CAL.

We'd like to see'em !

Hmmm, what kind of aircraft do you fly, inquiring minds want to know ?

Fact is skybus 1st year pay is higher than NWA and CAL so according to your logic in labeling them scabs, the skybus newhire does not become a scab until year 2. Or on the flip side of the coin, the NWA and CAL new hires are scabs for the 1st year but they will lose their scab status once they reach 2nd year pay. I thought once a scab always a scab. See how stupid your logic is in labeling these guys scabs. By the way, skybus payscales suck, I wont argue that.

 

[SplitBar]

If you make a conscious decision to go work for an airline that pays a fraction of what everyone else is paid, then you are part of the problem.

Pot meet Kettle!! Weren't you a Gulfstream PFTer? Talk about being a hypocrit (spelling?):smash: :laugh:

 

[WSurf]

Pot meet Kettle!! Weren't you a Gulfstream PFTer? Talk about being a hypocrit (spelling?):smash: :laugh:

Close Spelling, I think you just forgot to put the 'E' on the end of it.

And if PCL128 was a former Gulfstream PFTer, then what the hell are you doing arguing about anyone bringin' down the profession!!! The Nerve of some people!

 

[XJohXJ]

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I just have to stop even bothering with this site....

 

[Sgt. Hartman]

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I just have to stop even bothering with this site....

I agree buddy...I can't believe that I just spent 15 minutes listening to grown men have an anonymous hissy fight on the internet. I think sometimes that all this whining and complaining brings the industry down more than the low pay.


Oh....and who ever flames me for this post is just proving their own immaturity and ignorance.

 

[John Pennekamp]

What did you say? I was too distracted by your avatar! Giggity Giggity!

 

[John Pennekamp]

Hey! Where'd she go?!!!!!!!