SkyBus Jumpseater

[WSurf]

Just curious in the fact that I had a Skybus Captain jumpseat in the back from CLT to Hilton Head.

Had mx on the aircraft and didn't have time to really talk to him while boarding.

Whats everyones take on allowing Skybus jumpseaters?

 

[John Pennekamp]

Just curious in the fact that I had a Skybus Captain jumpseat in the back from CLT to Hilton Head.

Had mx on the aircraft and didn't have time to really talk to him while boarding.

Whats everyones take on allowing Skybus jumpseaters?

Not on my plane. I don't think they're on the list anyhow.

 

[PCL_128]

Just curious in the fact that I had a Skybus Captain jumpseat in the back from CLT to Hilton Head.

Had mx on the aircraft and didn't have time to really talk to him while boarding.

Whats everyones take on allowing Skybus jumpseaters?

I'm just a right-seater now, so I don't make the call, but I've heard several CAs say that they wouldn't allow them on.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

Give me a break, he's (she's) just another pilot trying to get to and from work. The jumpseat should NEVER as a political football. Additionally, what better way to get your thoughts across to this person (Skybus J/S rider) than to have him (her) locked into the J/S seat and having to listen to your position?

Bob

 

[terryhfly]

Since all the major airlines have lowered the bar by taking pay cuts and giving up QOL issues I am no longer going to allow them to sit in my jump seat. Come on people, it's a job.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Give me a break, he's (she's) just another pilot trying to get to and from work.

BS. These individuals have done some irreparable damage to the industry as a whole by redefining the bottom, accepting the same rate that MESA pais to their captains (which is low to begin with) to fly an Airbus is no better than to cross a picket line or to lie about your hours on your logbook. These individuals are bottom feeders that accepted this position because 1) SJS to create resume and move on 2) they are SCABS and this is the only job they can get 3) They have checkered past and this is the only POS job they can get. They did not consider the repercussions of what this will do to the future earnings of your sons and daughters if they decide to venture into this career and the long term effects that setting a new industry low will have. They don't deserve ANY common curtesy

 

[relief tube]

did he have that ridiculous Jungle uniform on?

If he was a captain, Did you let him know that you make more than him flying a 75% seats?

 

[DoinTime]

No reciprocal agreement = no boarding. They aren't my rules but they are the rules and they exist to limit fraud and encourage mutual participation.

Consider this...If you showed up at a SkyBus gate and told the gate agent that you think you should get a seat for free what do you think they would tell you? If SkyBus guys want to jumpseat on my airplane then they can designate a representative to coordinate the deal with our Jumpseat Committee.

 

[CA1900]

Consider this...If you showed up at a SkyBus gate and told the gate agent...

Stop right there!

Remember, they run a skeleton crew -- there won't be any gate agents until right at boarding time.

Can you check in for the jumpseat on their web site?

 

[Jet41]

2) they are SCABS and this is the only job they can get 3) They have checkered past and this is the only POS job they can get. They did not consider the repercussions of what this will do to the future earnings of your sons and daughters if they decide to venture into this career and the long term effects that setting a new industry low will have. They don't deserve ANY common curtesy

SCABS'? What picket line did they cross? Answer - none.

Checkered past, how do you know? Answer - You don't.

Don't deserve common courtesy? Answer - nor do you.

You have no idea why these guys decided to work at Skybus. Fact is it's none of your business. Try taking the high road sometime, show a little grace.

If they had a reciprocal agreement and if I had a say..he gets a ride.

 

[dispatchguy]

Maybe they live in CMH and dont wanna commute.

 

[skiandsurf]

I was at CMH yesterday, and watched their operation. I was looking for any pilots that I might recognize. Their uniforms are terrible. And I know most of you dont like hats, but how about "beenies". All the pilots I saw were wearing these beenies, not sure if it was part of the uniform or not.

I did talk to one of the pilots, he said "SKYBUS SUCKS. THEY LIED TO US." In the 30 second "chat", he made it sound like the pilots are pissed and most want to quit. FWIW, this guy is a captain, and wants to go to netjets.

 

[NCFlyer]

BS. These individuals have done some irreparable damage to the industry as a whole by redefining the bottom, accepting the same rate that MESA pays to their captains (which is low to begin with) to fly an Airbus is no better than to cross a picket line or to lie about your hours on your logbook. These individuals are bottom feeders that accepted this position because 1) SJS to create resume and move on 2) they are SCABS and this is the only job they can get 3) They have checkered past and this is the only POS job they can get. They did not consider the repercussions of what this will do to the future earnings of your sons and daughters if they decide to venture into this career and the long term effects that setting a new industry low will have. They don't deserve ANY common courtesy

Boy, that's quite an assessment of an individual that you probably haven't even met.

Has he done any more to hurt the industry than any other pilot that has accepted what you would consider an under paid job? How about all the pilots that voted to take pay cuts and other concessions, are they to be denied your JS too? How about all the PFT pilots? Do you have a list of those names so that you may refuse them the JS too?

Would I go to Skybus? No

However I wouldn't criticize someone that decided for themselves to do so.

As for the JS, if they are on the reciprocal list, they are welcome.

BTW: Skybus is on PDT's reciprocal CASS list.

 

[txpilot1974]

The first time I saw their uniforms I thought they were working for the Forest Service.

 

[PCL_128]

Please tell me this was not true.....

Honestly, does it really matter? Once you've gone to the forest ranger look, a beanie is just icing on the cake. These guys become more of a joke every day.

 

[Capn Lucky]

Denying a jumpseat is juvenile at best and its typically done by people who don't commute. With the clear exception of scabs, give the guy a seat and perhaps have an intellectual discussion.

I'm such a dreamer.

 

[Say Again Over]

is no better than to cross a picket line or to lie about your hours on your logbook.

So you're the log book police? And what about all the UAL and Continental pilots that crossed picket lines to get where they are. When YOU jumpseat do you ask the pilot whether or not he's a scab, relax and make all jump seater's welcome!

 

[Hypoxik]

We've gotta see a pic of this SWEET uniform! ...

 

[PCL_128]

And what about all the UAL and Continental pilots that crossed picket lines to get where they are. When YOU jumpseat do you ask the pilot whether or not he's a scab, relax and make all jump seater's welcome!

So you give rides to SCABs? I always checked the list for anyone that was questionable.

 

[Say Again Over]

That's up to you, what I meant is if you are jump seating, do you ask the Captain if he is a scab? I have worked with several scabs, very nice people, and who knows how many scabs gave me a jump seat at CA and UAL, I am very grateful.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

You have no idea why these guys decided to work at Skybus. Fact is it's none of your business. Try taking the high road sometime, show a little grace.

Tell your son or daughter to show a little grace and accept the job that is being offered to them flying an RJ for $40 an hour. Not possible? I got news for you, there are folks flying an airbus for $60. Even in Africa they pay more money than that to fly a CRJ. What a joke this market has become

 

[CA1900]

I was at CMH yesterday, and watched their operation. I was looking for any pilots that I might recognize. Their uniforms are terrible. And I know most of you dont like hats, but how about "beenies". All the pilots I saw were wearing these beenies, not sure if it was part of the uniform or not.

Uhh... sure they weren't yarmulkes? I believe we're about halfway through Hannukah, which might explain it.

 

[PCL_128]

I have worked with several scabs, very nice people, and who knows how many scabs gave me a jump seat at CA and UAL, I am very grateful.

"Very nice people?"

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Guys I do not know if SkyBus will be an issue in a year or two. They finally got financing for their next installment of 319's. 19 to be exact. Read the article in Aviation Week. It took some convincing, but they finally got the approval of a bank over in the far east.
I talked to them and when they told me what they were going to pay for the left seat I laughed and respectfully walked away. You can make more flying in the left seat of any regional carriers 50 seaters. Fact is that their pay does not compare to any ones. Even outfits like SA and Cargo 360 blow these guys out of the box. Either their fares will go up to compensate their workforce, or their workforce will quite for greener pastures. I know two guys that when their, and have been disappointed from day one.
Denying a jumpseat is a Captain's decision, but for anyone that has commuted, you know that is a very dangerous game to play.

 

[Salty Dog]

Today (Pearl Harbor Day) is the beginning of Hanukkah, according to my Confederate Air Force calendar. So if you saw them before today it must be something else.
Of course, the calendar also says the "backbone of the Pacific Fleet was broken" which must mean that carriers were what, the femur?
Tip of the hat to all the current and former Squids (especially the crew of LSD-52) on this infamous day.

 

[generaltso]

I always let them on because it gives me a chance to lecture them.

 

[Jet41]

Tell your son or daughter to show a little grace and accept the job that is being offered to them flying an RJ for $40 an hour. Not possible? I got news for you, there are folks flying an airbus for $60. Even in Africa they pay more money than that to fly a CRJ. What a joke this market has become

Then start a new career if it's that bad.

BTW, when my son or daughter are at the point in their life to begin a career, I will not tell them anything. They will be adults and can make that decision for themselves.

As for me, I never said I would work for Skybus. Only that I would give them a lift if need.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

The first time I saw their uniforms I thought they were working for the Forest Service.

Maybe management at Skybus worked out a deal to get used uniforms from the forest rangers after they're too worn out for them?

 

[A350]

I am sure, when the Southwest guys and gals were lower paid than the rest that noone gave them $hit about riding the jumpseat....now look at them.

Get off your high horse, welcome the guy aboard, and pray to whomever it is you pray that your career goes well and you don't have to start over like many of them. They have done NOTHING to you, except pay their mortgages and buy food for their families. I suppose when PCL 128 was doing that at the regional level or was buying his job, it wasn't doing anything to the profession.

A350

 

[AirBadger]

According to the Skybus wiki:

"Starting pilot wages are also below average in terms of hourly rate, starting at $65,000 annually for Captains, and $30,000 for First Officers as a minimum guarantee. The average captains' earnings are about $90,000 vs $120,000 per year for a 1st year Captain at airlines like United Airlines but in the case of Skybus this includes a significant stock options and profit share package unique in the airline industry today which, depending on airline financial performance, can make them the highest paid pilots in the US"

Any truth to this statement?