SkyBus gone tonight!!!

[mvedepo]

LOL...

Can't meet you in STL, flying with the National Guard this weekend.

LOL..You are a Loadmaster or an FE. Don't you mean you will be RIDING with the guard this week? :laugh:

 

[masedogg19]

only to a point. you have to realize that by taking a job that pays so low you will screw yourself in the longrun.

I agree...but, so often on here, people crucify others for doing something for themselves (taking a job that pays below industry standard) instead of something that is "good for pilots as a whole" (my own quote)....they are truly in the minority if they think that everyone (pilots, or even people in general) is going to consider what's best for the group over what's best for themselves....everyone is out for themselves....everyone else is a distant second

 

[skypine69]

I guess i have to disagree. I did not apply to skybus or vx because i thought the pay would drag down the industry. I refused to buy a type rating before my wn interview. had i bought one i would be on line instead of in the pool still, but i have a moral issue with paying for a type rating just to get an interview. i realize that this cost me money, and i wish everyone did what i did, but i still feel good about myself trying to help out the industry a little in my small way. we need to start to come together as pilots, and part of that means outing the pilots that help bring down the industry. I wish alpa would be more proactive on this as well, if they had played their cards right they could have had a lot more influence on situation such as gojets and skybus.

 

[falconflier]

While I hate to see any job losses in this industry and the difficulties they bring to families, I find it hard to sympathize with the Skybus situation. Those salaries were an insult and those who became part of that only contributed to an established issue. Problem is, integrity rarely ranks up there in terms of qualities to be found in this business and, contrary to what many believe, it absolutely has to do with one's integrity. While there are often extenuating circumstances, such as ex-Indy crews that needed to put food on the table, when it comes right down to it, there will always be those who make egotistical decisions in order to fly an airplane, whether airline or business aviation. That's just something that will never change.

 

[masedogg19]

I don't think we're that far apart in our thinking....I think that if pilots did stick together better, the industry would be in much better shape...however, we're a long way from reaching that point (I think that "me first" is just human nature)....I applaud you for NOT going and paying for a type rating so you could get a job....I have always thought that it's a little backwards that some of the people who bash other PFT outfits did the same thing to get their current job.....I guess what it boils down to for me is that it is classless and childish to be happy at someone else's misfortune...even if they did make a poor decision

 

[flyipilot]

I am sorry for anyone losing a job..but, that being said, I am not surprised at all that Skybus failed. Any pilot who went there knew that it was a LONG shot and had "big airplane" well actually, "midsize airplane-i-tis". I know a few guys who left N.J. to go there and the only reason was for a fast upgrade in hopes to make some fast cash. Shortsightedness and greed is the only reason anyone went there. Someone posted that it was a dream to go there...hmmm, well, when I hung out with your drunk ex Bill Dirfendorfer at a local bar in Columbus, it seemed more like a scam and a nightmare. But, he too bailed as even he must have thought, there is no WAY this will work. See what sobering up does for the mind? We all make our own destiny and we all take chances that either pay off or fail. I wish those at Skybus the best of luck and I hope they have learned not to chase the pot of lucky charms...might end up being marshmallows instead of gold.

Maybe Skybus stopped flying before the FAA started looking at their maintenance work. SWA may be able to handle a $10 million fine but, Skybus could'nt handle $10.00. (unless they sold the jumpseat).

 

[navigatro]

LOL..You are a Loadmaster or an FE. Don't you mean you will be RIDING with the guard this week? :laugh:

You just made a lot of enemies with that statement.

 

[mvedepo]

You just made a lot of enemies with that statement.

As does ANYONE coming on here and posting garbage about fellow pilots that just lost their jobs. Karma is a b*tch. It is NEVER acceptable to revel in others misfortune. Good luck to all of the guys at Skybus!

 

[hawk996]

I like you guys keep talking about the $10 ticket. We tried to buy a ticket on them for a wedding and ended up finding tickets on Delta for half of what Skybus was selling seats for. I believe it was 10 seats for $10 bucks, but the rest of the seats didn't come cheap.

The only thing I hated about skybus was the pilot pay and lack of work rules. At least they didn't pay (or daddy) for training to fly a B1900 for pennys on the dollar.

You guys are a pretty funny bunch.. No wonder the general publice can't take us serious anymore. Act like a professional and maybe we will be paid like true professionals again.

Back to your regular scheduled pilot hates pilot thread....

 

[mvedepo]

Amen to that.

No matter what your thoughts are about Skybus, gloating about 500 people losing their jobs overnight reveals far more about the "gloaters" character than the Skybus employees.

Exactly

 

[Bob_Sacamano]

Good riddance.

 

[mvedepo]

I like you guys keep talking about the $10 ticket. We tried to buy a ticket on them for a wedding and ended up finding tickets on Delta for half of what Skybus was selling seats for. I believe it was 10 seats for $10 bucks, but the rest of the seats didn't come cheap.

The only thing I hated about skybus was the pilot pay and lack of work rules. At least they didn't pay (or daddy) for training to fly a B1900 for pennys on the dollar.

You guys are a pretty funny bunch.. No wonder the general publice can't take us serious anymore. Act like a professional and maybe we will be paid like true professionals again.

Back to your regular scheduled pilot hates pilot thread....

There are a lot of "legacy" pilots or pilots in contract negotiations that hate Skybus and Virgin because they are "lowering" the bar. Well I know a lot of guys that haven't gotten an interview or were turned down at these "top tier" companies. So what are these guys supposed to do? You propose they stay at a regional forever? Or better yet how about tearing up their tickets and go sell cars? You people don't know ANYTHING about these guy or why these guys took the job. And its BS that you guys are looking out for your fellow pilot. You are just like 99% of the people you are complaining about. You have YOUR best interest in mind. Not mine or Joe Blow at ABC airlines. You are worried about YOUR precious paycheck. Well these guys need paychecks also. NOT ONE of us here is in a position to judge one another. You are free to apply to and work at whatever company is "up to your standards" and will hire you.

 

[masedogg19]

You just made a lot of enemies with that statement.

http://www.marcofolio.net/images/stories/fun/imagedump/demotivational_posters/ethug.jpg

http://www.photochopz.com/gallery/data/500/medium/ethug2.jpg

 

[hawk996]

Slow down there mvedepo,

Show me one post of mine that I bashed a Skybus pilot. Not one.

I don't like Skybus, never said I didn't like the pilots. Worked with most of them at ACA and trying to help the ones I can as we speak.

I lost my job just over two years ago too if you remember. ACA/Indy.

Re-read my post and insert your foot into your mouth.

Read the part where I purchased tickets on Delta for less then Skybus!!! You can read can't you?

Learn to read and go pick a fight with someone else.

 

[mvedepo]

Slow down there mvedepo,

Show me one post of mine that I bashed a Skybus pilot. Not one.

I don't like Skybus, never said I didn't like the pilots. Worked with most of them at ACA and trying to help the ones I can as we speak.

I lost my job just over two years ago too if you remember. ACA/Indy.

Re-read my post and insert your foot into your mouth.

Read the part where I purchased tickets on Delta for less then Skybus!!! You can read can't you?

Learn to read and go pick a fight with someone else.

I wasn't responding negatively to you. I was backing your response. I agree with the "pilots hate pilots" part. I have nothing against your post.

My post is directed at the likes of:
motch, Bob_Sacamano, rtmcfi, Jack Mehoff, Shrek, countbat, etc

 

[weasel_lips]

Glad that experiment is over.

 

[mvedepo]

What about all the guys that went there that were saying, "need to do it to put food on the table" (while others were hiring). Bet their feeling like that line wasn't the right one to use. Now you lost time at another airline, and all the while were not making crap. Bye Bye.

Just because legacies are hiring doesn't mean they are going to hire everyone. And YES people need to still put food on the table.

 

[azpilot]

I will sum it up in 2 words: F#ck Skybus!

I am glad they are out of business. For those of you that got screwed over with the whole ACA/Indy debacle I am sorry about that. However, you should have known better than to go to a place like Skybus.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Correction, there was a pilot shortage.

Seems it lasted about ten minutes.

 

[vrb115]

my money is on SHREK he is a big mother well u know peace brother

 

[Shrek]

my money is on SHREK he is a big mother well u know peace brother

How you been big daddy ?! Got a question for ya - do you have any window switches for a Malibu ?

Remember the "screams" on New Year's Eve......LOL

 

[popgoesbubble]

Slow down there mvedepo,

Show me one post of mine that I bashed a Skybus pilot. Not one.

I don't like Skybus, never said I didn't like the pilots. Worked with most of them at ACA and trying to help the ones I can as we speak.

I lost my job just over two years ago too if you remember. ACA/Indy.

Re-read my post and insert your foot into your mouth.

Read the part where I purchased tickets on Delta for less then Skybus!!! You can read can't you?

Learn to read and go pick a fight with someone else.

Hawk Hope your able to help out J.A. he was a good guy to work with and fly with at ACA/Indy. I was sorry to see him leave NJA thought it was a Big Mistake but I think he still had eyes for big planes. Hope things are going well for you guys at VA.

 

[ultrarunner]

Why is everyone giving in before summer busy season?

Cuz it might not be that busy....

 

[hawk996]

Hey mvedepo,

Sorry, Thought you were busting me out.

Popgoesbubble,

Wrong hawk but I know who you are talking about. Yes JA is a great guy and we are trying to help him out with VA, JB or anything else.

Sounds like some of them are going to see what they can find in China.

It's going to be a bumpy road, hold on tight!!!!!

 

[vrb115]

should have them meake and model and year of car also wht side you need and i'll check it out when i get home on tuesday peace out brother

 

[motch]

MV..

Since you decide to mock my military service, I'll ask you to at least get it right.

Looking at my profile you would see my position as FO/FE.
I am a C5 FE, though I was a LM on a Herk (slicks and Talon 1's!) at one time. Either way... required crewmember though as an FE I do log my time as it's a flightdeck crewmember.

What service were you in?

 

[mvedepo]

MV..

Since you decide to mock my military service, I'll ask you to at least get it right.

Looking at my profile you would see my position as FO/FE.
I am a C5 FE, though I was a LM on a Herk (slicks and Talon 1's!) at one time. Either way... required crewmember though as an FE I do log my time as it's a flightdeck crewmember.

What service were you in?

I mock you just as you mock the careers of your fellow pilots. And as for my military background. I was in the army for 8 years. I was a machine gunner (M-60 and Saw). 2 of the years I spent as a drill Sgt training infantrymen in Ft Benning, Ga. So yes I did my time.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Look at the bright side:

No more fetching water from COSTCO to quench your crew.

 

[motch]

First of all, they are not my fellow pilots.

Since you're ex-military.. I'll ask you this question. Is everyone who wears a uniform equal? You may think so, I differ.

Someone who serves, for better or worse during peacetime and war is held in higher esteem to me than someone who joins for the college benefits and then decides to disobey orders to be deployed overseas.

IMO, Skybus was a ploy by a bunch of managers and investors to see if they could run a airline, with no frills, no pay and minimum costs to themselves while trying to reek the benefits.
From day one, they used false advertising to get passengers.
Telling passengers that they were flying to major metro areas when in fact they were flying to outstations. They flew to Newburgh NY which is actually over 60 miles north of NYC!
They flaunted $10 tickets but in reality they only had a handful of seats at those prices.

And worse, they tried to lure (successfully) pilots with thoughts of PIC time or quick upgrades and stock options in lieu of pay.

Just because someone puts on a pilot uniform doesn't make him a fellow pilot with no consequences for his actions.
The few pilots that I know who went there are not people I would want to be associated with. And while there are over 110 other pilots there... I would question their reasoning for going there.

Have you noticed that NO ONE is happy/gloating/talking crap about the other 3 airlines that closed their doors this week. Why is that?


Always
Motch

PS> Are you an ex-Skybus pilot?

 

[Princedietrich]

Hey motch, everyone knows that real pilots fly sideways. :beer: