Skybus Cancels more Flights

[Filkster]

You take the train from Stewart to the city. The NY/NJ port authority bought SWF as a reliever airport to take traffic out of the city airports. This is how all the startups should do it. More paying pax for my employer..

RF

OK let's get something straight here. Skybus doesn't go into Seattle or Vancouver, they go to Bellingham. They don't go to Boston, they go to Portsmouth NH. At least they correctly mention "New Orleans" as really being Gulfport/Biloxi MS.

Other Skybus misnomers: What they call San Francisco is really Oakland. What they call Hartford is really Chickopee, MA (WTF??). What they call New York is really Newburgh/Stuart. There are other ones. Am I the only one that finds these intentional misrepresentations annoying? I'd hate to be the little old lady that thinks she's going to LGA and ends up at Stuart with no way to get to the city.

 

[realmanofgenius]

You can beat this up all day long. you still get what you pay for. that little ol lady will also have to tighten her scarf as the 30 knots winds and driving sheets of rain pound her from that noreaster while she trembles at walking down the two story, wobbly, scaffold-like stairs.

 

[Andy]

Don't blame Skybus. If you were starting a business and you had no trouble getting qualified pilots are the wages you offered, would you pay more?

The blame for redefining the bottom goes to the pilots who accept the job for that pay.

We aren't even close to the bottom of pilot wages. The next startup will have no problem lining up qualified pilots while paying less than Skybus.
Plan on every single pilot a minimum of 15% haircut due to the new retirement age. Supply and demand.

You may not see it in the next couple of years, but it will eventually hit every single pilot's wallet.

 

[Lear70]

I doubt it... I think Skybus is pretty much the bottom of how low people are willing to go.

The only qualifed people for street Captain slots for a startup are the RJ CA's or maybe Lear/Citation guys who can't get on with the fracs and they aren't going to take a permanent pay cut from what they currently make.

$65 an hour times 80 hours of credit is about the same that I make at one of the LESSER-paying Lear command gigs, and is well less than I would be making at most regionals as a 3-year CA.

Can't imagine any more than a few dreamers stuck at their regional with no hope of flow-through or major hiring jumping onto a questionable startup that will cost them money just to work (hotels every night) or require them to move into their domicile just to have enough money to pay the bills at a pay rate even less than they currently enjoy.

Ever seen those booths at AIR, Inc fairs that no one wants to work at? Kinda funny to watch, take some time next time you're there. Supply and demand is right, the supply of willing guys to make that jump is drying up with the Majors hiring in full-swing.

 

[bristolgone]

OK let's get something straight here. Skybus doesn't go into Seattle or Vancouver, they go to Bellingham. They don't go to Boston, they go to Portsmouth NH. At least they correctly mention "New Orleans" as really being Gulfport/Biloxi MS.quote]

Gulfport-Biloxi International Airport and the New Orleans Louis Armstrong Airport are not the same, about 75 miles apart.

Aircraft Damage??? What does sky bus expect when they will only ground load thier flights. Ground crews have to wheel these large walk ways up to the aircraft and position them perfectly to be able to deplane passengers. Recipe for accident.

 

[The Victors]

HOPEFULLY, one down and ony a few more to go including VA and Alligant

 

[imacdog]

Bellingham is clearly NOT a Seattle airport.

What, 100 miles can't be counted as a gimmie? :laugh:

 

[Lear70]

Not looking good for Skybus again today, although all the other carriers in and out of the Chicago/Milwaukee area are hosed as well...

The local news is slamming them pretty hard (I'm in a hotel in MKE waiting for our next trip).

"Skybus returns to Milwaukee after stranding thousands of passengers over the Christmas holidays. Now they are canceling flights again today as the snow grounds most flights in and out of the Milwaukee and Chicago area. Maybe that cheap ticket isn't worth it in the end. Back to you, Chris."

ROFLMAO!!

 

[Capn Mike]

I'd hate to be the little old lady that thinks she's going to LGA and ends up at Stuart with no way to get to the city.

Or like the lady who found out that after takeoff she was going to Ontario, California instead of Ontario Canada. Ouch!!! She bought the ticket online.

 

[Fins Up]

Or like the lady who found out that after takeoff she was going to Ontario, California instead of Ontario Canada. Ouch!!! She bought the ticket online.

I was standing at the gate in Portland, ME when a guy got off the plane and told me he meant to go to Portland, OR. He seemed to be a reasonably intelligent thirty-something year old guy. I felt bad for the guy. I think he made the res himself. He was supposed to be best man in a wedding the next day.

 

[crxpilot]

HOPEFULLY, one down and ony a few more to go including VA and Alligant

who are you,,,,,,,the town idiot?

 

[chperplt]

HOPEFULLY, one down and ony a few more to go including VA and Alligant

....and yet again.

We all now there are idiots among us and then one has to go and open its mouth and announce itself to the world.

 

[regionaltard]

....and yet again.

We all now there are idiots among us and then one has to go and open its mouth and announce itself to the world.

No foolin'. How could anyone even consider talking a little smack at an an industry leader like Allegiant after all they've done to get this thing turned around...

 

[wms]

LCCs get a bad rap!

 

[whymeworry?]

The fact that they have redefined a new bottom is what I find annoying.

Don't blame Skybus. If you were starting a business and you had no trouble getting qualified pilots are the wages you offered, would you pay more?

The blame for redefining the bottom goes to the pilots who accept the job for that pay.

What he said. But the blame further goes to our pilot groups when these guys and gals come over as new-hires. We just let them trot in as if their choices, that helped to bring down our profession, never ever happened.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

The fact that they have redefined a new bottom is what I find annoying.

What he said. But the blame further goes to our pilot groups when these guys and gals come over as new-hires. We just let them trot in as if their choices, that helped to bring down our profession, never ever happened.

.....said the pilot who has this in his profile:
A/C Flown: ATR 42/72, E135/145, LR35, C310, PA31, PA44, CE210, GV, B737, B757, B767.

unless those E-jets were used to fly around corporate big-wigs and not under some legacy carriers colors, I am quite sure that some routes you flew were once flown by -9 or 737 drivers that used to make more money than you did. We all are to blame in some way....and that includes you! Glass houses and all...

 

[chperplt]

No foolin'. How could anyone even consider talking a little smack at an an industry leader like Allegiant after all they've done to get this thing turned around...

What a funny girl you are....

I'll take my 6 figures after 2 1/2 year here and be proud of this growing company and its wages that have increased every year.

 

[Fins Up]

I finally got to see a couple guys in those sweet park ranger uniforms. Those are god awful.

 

[realmanofgenius]

if they dressed and looked like me they could be real men of genius.

 

[bgaviator]

This is exactly what RyanAir does, which resulted in it being sued in the European court. Now it has to say where it's going to, not the closest big name place.
These guys came from there - they're just following the model, until someone sues.

I was just on the RyanAir web site, and they essentially have the same format as Skybus where they have the actual departure location in parentheses. If someone sued Ryan Air over this, then they obviously didn't win to change anything, and so I see no grounds for anyone being able to sue Skybus.

 

[Dumb Pilot]

I am quite sure that some routes you flew were once flown by -9 or 737 drivers that used to make more money than you did. We all are to blame in some way....and that includes you! Glass houses and all...

Wait a NY minute. Who was it that negotiated this outsourcing?

Typical, the mainline drivers gives away more and more of their flying and then point fingers. I think you should read the thread again because you are way off topic here.

This is not about routes that belong to a particular group or banner/colors. This is about accepting RJ wages to fly an Airbus. Unacceptable, degrading and shameful

 

[Luke's Dad]

Wait a NY minute. Who was it that negotiated this outsourcing?

Typical, the mainline drivers gives away more and more of their flying and then point fingers. I think you should read the thread again because you are way off topic here.

This is not about routes that belong to a particular group or banner/colors. This is about accepting RJ wages to fly an Airbus. Unacceptable, degrading and shameful

Slight correction: Less than RJ wages....

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Wait a NY minute. Who was it that negotiated this outsourcing?

Typical, the mainline drivers gives away more and more of their flying and then point fingers. I think you should read the thread again because you are way off topic here.

The thread was about Skybus (whom I don't give two ####s about) cancelling flights. Then a pilot makes a little subtle statement that maybe we shouldn't allow these Skybus pilots to get hired at the "good" airlines. That pilot flew jets on routes that used to be flown by mainline pilots for much lower wages, period. Mainline pilots made a mistake by giving away that flying. However, the rampant growth of the RJ has NOT been a great help in the career of the pilots at the "good" airlines. Sooooooo, some could look at it like pilots that did that flying aided in the erosion of this career. I don't hold a grudge for those folks that flew/fly RJ's. I would like to point out, however, that there is lots of blame to go around for the erosion of the profession (and I share that blame as well) and I find it hypocritical that someone who has "made it" one way should suggest that there should be people who should not "make it" another way. Having said that, people who have crossed a picket line should be labled, IMO.



This is not about routes that belong to a particular group or banner/colors. This is about accepting RJ wages to fly an Airbus. Unacceptable, degrading and shameful

I also found it unacceptable to go to work for the regionals when I was looking for work simply because I was making more flying King Airs. If that is the way you did it, fine by me. But once you make it, don't start a little grass roots campaign on who else should be hired and who should be excluded. That is the part that bothers me. There is virtually no one that doesn't have at least a little blood on their hands on this whole deal.

 

[vectorvictor]

....and yet again.

We all now there are idiots among us and then one has to go and open its mouth and announce itself to the world.

Well done.

now: A time reference for the current time or moment.

know: To be aware of something.

 

[chperplt]

Well done.

now: A time reference for the current time or moment.

know: To be aware of something.

A typo: A mistake generated when one types too fast

A dumb ass: Vectorvictor


:laugh:

 

[Bavarian Chef]

I also found it unacceptable to go to work for the regionals when I was looking for work simply because I was making more flying King Airs. If that is the way you did it, fine by me. But once you make it, don't start a little grass roots campaign on who else should be hired and who should be excluded. That is the part that bothers me. There is virtually no one that doesn't have at least a little blood on their hands on this whole deal.

You know, maybe if you flew for a real airline you could afford an Odyssey or Sienna. They're da bomb and all the soccer moms want one!

Nice color choice too.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

You know, maybe if you flew for a real airline you could afford an Odyssey or Sienna. They're da bomb and all the soccer moms want one!

Nice color choice too.

Agreed, on all counts.

 

[be-400xpdriver]

Skybus cancels more flights

Wednesday, December 26, 2007 8:02 AM



Associated Press

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) — Discount carrier Skybus Airlines canceled ten flights Wednesday because of problems with two of its aircraft, a day after Christmas cancellations left scores of travelers stranded.
A door problem discovered on one plane late Monday was expected to be fixed before Wednesday evening, said Bob Tenenbaum, a Skybus spokesman.
A second plane was undergoing maintenance to repair damage to the fuselage behind the front entry door. The work could be finished by Thursday morning, but if not, further cancellations are likely, Tenenbaum said.
Round trips were scrubbed Wednesday between the company's hometown of Columbus and Milwaukee; Fort Lauderdale, Fla.; Bellingham, Wash.; Portsmouth, N.H.; and Gulfport, Miss. On Tuesday, Skybus canceled four flights.
Tenenbaum estimated that at least 1,000 passengers were affected by the service disruptions over the two days.
The airline was offering refunds for flights that were canceled and was making efforts to rebook travelers on later Skybus flights. But Skybus was unable to transfer passengers to flights on other airlines because it does not have those agreements with other carriers, Tenenbaum said.
The airline apologized to customers whose Christmas travel plans were ruined.
“This is terribly unfortunate, and the timing also is very unfortunate. I think people get accustomed to travel disruptions, but nobody likes to see them around Christmas,” Tenenbaum said.
Skybus launched service from its Columbus hub May 22, offering some seats for as little as $10 each way, plus taxes and fees.
Last week, it reported a loss of $16 million for the three months that ended Sept. 30.
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The Dispatch Printing Company, publisher of The Dispatch, owns a minority stake in Skybus.

Skybus cancellations


Wednesday departures
Flight 270 to Seattle/Vancouver - 6:05 A.M.
Flight 87 to Ft. Lauderdale - 6:45 A.M.
Flight 28 to Milwaukee - 4:09 P.M.
Flight 7 to Boston - 7:17 P.M.
Flight 777 to Gulfport-Biloxi (New Orleans) - 8:03 P.M.
Wednesday arrivals
Flight 271 From Seattle/Vancouver 8:35 A.M.
Flight 88 From Ft. Lauderdale - 9:37 A.M.
Flight 27 From Milwaukee - 4:46 P.M.
Flight 8 From Boston - 9:19 P.M.

Thursday arrival
Flight 21 from Gulfport-Biloxi (New Orleans) - 12:24 A.M. (12/27)
Updated at 2 p.m., Wednesday

You get what you pay for. 10 dollars does not go as far as it use to.

 

[crxpilot]

No foolin'. How could anyone even consider talking a little smack at an an industry leader like Allegiant after all they've done to get this thing turned around...

OK, Ill bite. What does Walden, CO have to do with Allegiant?

 

[BLUE BAYOU]

OK let's get something straight here. Skybus doesn't go into Seattle or Vancouver, they go to Bellingham. They don't go to Boston, they go to Portsmouth NH. At least they correctly mention "New Orleans" as really being Gulfport/Biloxi MS.

Other Skybus misnomers: What they call San Francisco is really Oakland. What they call Hartford is really Chickopee, MA (WTF??). What they call New York is really Newburgh/Stuart. There are other ones. Am I the only one that finds these intentional misrepresentations annoying? I'd hate to be the little old lady that thinks she's going to LGA and ends up at Stuart with no way to get to the city.

Ask the city of Rockford, Illinois-- They named their airport the Chicago-Rockford Airport, it's only about 85 miles west of Chicago. Maybe that's why airlines can get away with it.