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[KC-10 Driver]

Archer, do you see what has happened here?

You came into the "hangar" and said something that all the other pilots gave you sh!t for.

Then you stuck around and followed the "hangar talk" as it went where ever it went. Now, you are involved in this rambling discussion.

You can't force anyone (especially pilots, I think) to engage in some touch-feely, feel-good rap session. Most of us don't operate that way.

We are hard on each other -- out of the cockpit, and especially in the cockpit. But, if you have a thick skin and don't take things personally, you will do well. No one thinks less of you for the way you started this thread -- but of course, you will forever continue to get grief for it.

Now, you are learning about professional pilots.

By the way, there is some hilarious stuff in this thread.

 

[PilotoHalcon]

Hey Turbo. No kidding, those FP's are a pain. When were you over here and what ops did you use?
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[KC-10 Driver]

TurboS7 asked what percentage of the FA's are slam/clickers, in our experience.

At my last company (US Airways), I have to say that it was probably at about 70%. Of course, maybe it was just me...

I have yet to fly a line trip with JetBlue (I'm still in training). But, from meeting the new-hire flight attendants in training, I think I can safely say that the percentage will be quite a bit better at this company -- at least I hope so!

 

[Typhoon1244]

...if you have a thick skin and don't take things personally, you will do well.

Well said. Archer, I'll give you a couple of quick examples.

I have one of those first names that can be shortened a couple of different ways. One of these ways I prefer. The other I can't stand. I made the mistake of telling one captain "you can call me _____, but I prefer not to be called _____." You can guess what happened; ever since that day, he's made it a point to introduce me to everyone we meet by that name I can't stand! And he's not trying to ruin me...he's just giving me sh_t. It's what so many of us do, for some reason.

I remember this other captain...I was having a heck of a time landing Brasilias one day. I guess everybody has their day "in the box," right? I got down to 17C in DFW and I must have bounced eleven times. So there I am, wrestling to get the thing settled down, and the clown in the left seat is chanting, "you're awesome! You are the man! I'm going to recommend you for upgrade as soon as we get inside!" Now it would be easy to let something like that ruin your whole week, but by the time we got to the gate, we were both laughing about it.

Keep a tough hide, roll with the punches, and you'll be accepted before you know it. Ever read The Caine Mutiny? Read it. (Forget about the movie.) Everything you need to know about making the journey from callow first officer to salty captain is right there.

 

[avbug]

Interesting thread. Never heard of the predatory female...is it worth a read?

What is a misogynist?

Flyhi, what kind of gun, and do you have a sister?

 

[typhoonpilot]

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[Archer]

So there I am, wrestling to get the thing settled down, and the clown in the left seat is chanting, "you're awesome! You are the man! I'm going to recommend you for upgrade as soon as we get inside!"

Typhoon,

That made me laugh too! I always wondered what the relationship between Captain/FO was, and whether they jokes, laughed about things, or were serious and just did their job over 9 hour Transatlantic flights...

And he's not trying to ruin me...he's just giving me sh_t. It's what so many of us do, for some reason.

Well, I yet have to meet a pilot that is trying to ruin other pilots or people in general. I only saw this type of generalization in this thread.

So far, my CFI is an awesome guy. His CFI friend that I see every so often is cool too, always wishing us a good flight and fun. My friend in my class that is a CFI too, is very cool.

The Captains and FOs I used to speak to when I visited their cockpit in airliner flights were cool, welcoming and even made me sit on their lap once while landing when I was little.

I'm sure there are pilots out there as you said, that are tough, a little mean, selfish, who would like to mess around and make fun of you.

But I don't think that those types of pilots would be flying airliners with the lives of 300 human beings and millions of dollars worth of equipment at their hands...that's a different breed...it must be...

Archer

 

[KC-10 Driver]

Archer said:

The Captains and FOs I used to speak to when I visited their cockpit in airliner flights were cool, welcoming and even made me sit on their lap once while landing when I was little.

Has anyone seen the movie "Airplane"...? You know what I'm thinking.


Archer also said:

I'm sure there are pilots out there as you said, that are tough, a little mean, selfish, who would like to mess around and make fun of you. But I don't think that those types of pilots would be flying airliners with the lives of 300 human beings and millions of dollars worth of equipment at their hands...that's a different breed...it must be...

Someone previously on this thread pointed out that pilots are people, just like anyone else. You cannot make an absolute statement about anyone, even airline pilots. I personally know one or two that I would do anything to avoid flying a trip with.

 

[CatYaaak]

Lotsa Chatty Cathy's now. But if this is such a great bar, where in the he11 is my Scotch?

 

[Cardinal]

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[avbug]

Jimmy, do you like gladiator movies?

 

[Typhoon1244]

I always wondered what the relationship between Captain/FO was, and whether they jokes, laughed about things, or were serious and just did their job...

Let me tell you about a common phenomenon that's been going on for decades...probably since the first multi-pilot aircraft took to the air.

As I'm sure you're aware, airline pilots take turns flying legs. While one guy flies, the other handles the radio, the preipheral systems, and--to some degree--the navigating. The guy who's not flying also generally handles the P.A. announcements. You wouldn't believe the lengths that some pilots will go to to try to make the guy who's making an announcement break up laughing.

One guy used to carry a baby's pacifier with him. He'd keep his face turned away until the captain was in mid speech, then turn and look at her Maggie Simpson-style. [Suck, suck...]

One captain that I flew with, an ex-Air Force type, has a tongue that has to be seven inches long. A real Gene Simmons. So there I am just trying to tell the folks what the weather in Dallas is going to be like, and this guy's flapping his tongue at me. I lasted about ten seconds before I had to stop.

I'll bet even the Aeroflot guys used to do stuff like this!

Even my father, the quintessential professional pilot, has been known to give people their ration of sh_t...including me! I remember him telling me during a fouled-up visual approach, "well, you're high...but, you're fast."

One of his first officers made a truly horrendous landing in PIE one night. My dad didn't say a word until they got to the gate and the F/O pulled out the aircraft log book. As the engines were spooling down, he pulled out his crew log and asked, "well, what time did your watch stop?"

Being professional doesn't mean sitting in the cockpit with a patented Al Gore broomstick up your wazoo the whole time. There's a time for being serious, and there's a time for...well, you know.

First rule of flying: if you're not enjoying yourself, you're doing it wrong!

Oh, one last thing. Speaking of Aeroflot...this is a true story, so help me. During the dark days at Eastern Air Lines right before the strike, my father and his DC-9 crew were riding in a hotel courtesy van in N.Y.C. with, of all things, an Aeroflot Il-86 crew. They were talking shop, and it quickly became obvious that the Aeroflot guys had it pretty rough compared to us...bad pay, lousy schedules, often non-existant maintenance, poor service, etc, etc, etc. Dad's F/O said, "wow, sounds pretty bad."

The Russian captain replied, "not as bad as working for Frank Lorenzo!"

 

[TurboS7]

When I was on the 727 I used to have a furry play mouse that I used to call "Freddy". I would set him up on the launch pad which was the AP connect and disconnect on the consol.sp We got pretty good at launching him around the flight deck. We would scare FA's with it big time. Well the word got around and the FA's would come in and get pretty brave as they would just watch my finger on the disconnect switch on the yoke so they would know when Fredy was about to launch. I told the SO we will take care of that, I told him when I winked to change Essential to another generator that automatically disconnected the AP. We got Freddy all set up and this one FA came in. I asked her if she had met Freddy and asked to to pet him. She leaned over and I winked at the SO to launch him. Freddy was friskey that day and shot right inbetween her boobs. She freaked and screamed to the top of her lungs and prettty near ripped her dress off getting him out. Sometime during that trip Freddy was stolen out of my flight case and I never saw him again.

 

[bigD]

What's the minimum age to be a flight attendant? I was on a United (I think) flight to NY about a year ago and saw an amazingly cute FA, but she didn't look to be much older than 16. Talk about jail bait!

 

[TurboS7]

I have been to Kuwait 8 to 10 times over the years doing AMC work. We go to the military side of(OKBK) Kuwait International, usually we are only on the ground 2 hours always at night for obvious reasons. I did do a day turn there in the summer once and the temp was 118F a cool day in summer.