SKW nose gear up @ DFW tonite...

[Simon Says]

i am suprised no one has blamed this on MESA yet..... I am sure we can find some reason it happened as a direct result of MESAs contract or something....... Ok I am done, early show tomorrow...... good night

Now that was funny. Now we need some RJDC punk to pipe up.

Gone Fishing.

 

[Redtailer]

Hey Les, who pi@@@d in your cheerios this morning?

My post was not meant to blame anyone. I just replied to a question with what was reported on the news. Right or wrong I wrote what I knew as reported. Would you prefer if I give my own subjective opinion or something less?

Also, I am well aware of how wrong the media can be. Why do you think I put the statement in quotes?


Oh yeah, it's all MESA's fault!!!!

 

[acaTerry]

Les,
You trying to rival me as the crankiest man on the board?
BTW, love your guitars, man.

 

[acaTerry]

Oh, and BTW, had Mesa not signed the TA, this would not have happened. Now the nosegear will collapse just like the Mesa pilots did. Don't believe me? Well, consider this....funny how the gear "magically" collapses after SKW signed their deal. SO THANKS MESA!!

And one more thing. I'll bet you anything that the crew were ex-computer programmers. They got so used to just accepting problems with their software development that they accepted a gear problem.

 

[Flooder305]

Watch it.

Don't say another word about the crew.

 

[Auto-throttle]

Hey Les,

You're not the captain of that flight are you?? Why didn't you go around man?????!!!!!!!

 

[skywav8r]

What a bunch of monday morning quarterbacks.

 

[katanabob]

Note the open and ground-off (no pun intended) nose gear doors. If the nose gear had just collapsed on taxi-in, it would have impacted the doors on the way up. For the doors to be as they are, they must have performed an emergency gear extension.
Just my $.02

 

[acaTerry]

GOSH EVERYBODY---DON'T YOU KNOW SARCASM? I WAS KIDDING!!!

 

[skywav8r]

katanabob - you are a very observant.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Les Paul a republican? Join the other side man.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Stop. Watch It. Dont speak another word.
Your future is hinged on it.



friggin TOOL.

 

[skydraulic]

I saw N448SW in the hangar last night. Skywest guy said he thought it was initially a hydraulic problem but that doesn't explain it not locking down during emergency extension. Damage appeared fairly minimal: skin and door damage obviously and a little tweaking of the nose wheel well aft bulkhead. No major structural damage.

Are the CRJ's suppose to free fall (alternate) to down and locked?

So what's the procedure for making a non-locked nose gear landing? If less than full, have the pax fill up the seats from aft to fwd; use max reverse thrust and minimal braking?

 

[Jeepman]

Aca Terry,

Of all the things to bash on this board you decide to bash professional pilots about an incident which at this point is SPECULATION. WERE YOU THERE? Oh, that's right you read some statement from a "highly accurate news media" source.

From what I understand after talking with one of our mechanics today the crew tried to put the landing gear down put the nose gear didn't come down. They performed the QRH procedure and pulled the emergency gear handle. When pulled there are four detents. The first opens the doors and the rest are to release the uplocks and allow the gear to free-fall. For whatever reason, the nose still didn't come down. The crew declared an emergency, gave themselves plenty of time by burning off as much gas as they could, and landed. Since the gear doors were open they held up extremely well upon touching down to the ground with the A/C rolling out. The mechanic said there were a couple of stringers that were bent and a little damage behind the nose gear bay (only one of the gear door hinges broke).

The flight crew did, IMO A FLAWLESS JOB. THEY ARE HEROS!! EVERYBODY WALKED AWAY WITH NO INJURIES!!! Of course the last part was not mentioned on CNN because nobody died, but thats another can of worms.

So, Mr. Terry

The next time you decided to make a smart ass comment about a PROFESSIANAL FLIGHT CREW THAT KNOWS HOW TO DO THERE JOB save it for the bathroom stall!!

 

[jergar999]

I've got it! Since the fuel shortage in Phoenix everyone in the western half of the U.S. is taking less reserve fuel due to increased costs. This consequently moves the C.G. forward, putting too much weight on the nose wheel, resulting in the collapse. Since it was established in another thread that Mesa was responsible for the fuel shortage, we can only assume this scenario played out as a result of their actions.

There's the link.

 

[ArcticFlier]

I've got it! Since the fuel shortage in Phoenix everyone in the western half of the U.S. is taking less reserve fuel due to increased costs. This consequently moves the C.G. forward, putting too much weight on the nose wheel, resulting in the collapse. Since it was established in another thread that Mesa was responsible for the fuel shortage, we can only assume this scenario played out as a result of their actions.

There's the link.

Um.........apparently you aren't reading what actually happened. It didn't #^^&%% collapse! It didn't come down. Period.

AF

 

[Sandstorm]

Regional Aircraft
123 Garratt Blvd.
Downsview, Ontario, Canada M3K 1Y5

Canadair Regional Jet CL600-2B19

All Operator Message No. 713

ATTN: Director/Manager of: Maintenance
Engineering
Quality Control
Inspection
Flight Operations

DATE: 05 Sept 03

ATA: 3220 MODEL: CL600-2B19

SUBJECT: Nose Landing Gear Retracted - Landing

The following message sent to all Canadair Regional Jet Operators and Bombardier Aerospace, Regional Aircraft Field Service Representatives.

This message contains information requiring attention and/or action. Please ensure timely and appropriate distribution within maintenance and flight operations departments.

Discussions:

Recently, a North American CRJ operator experienced a Nose Landing Gear extension malfunction during approach. The aircraft landed with the two main gears down & locked but the nose gear remained up, with the nose gear doors opened. During the
emergency landing, the aircraft remained controllable and centered on the runway. There were no injuries. The aircraft sustained some damage to the lower portion of the nose area.

The local authorities and operator are investigating to determine the root cause of the malfunction, with the assistance of Bombardier Aerospace. As more information becomesavailable all operators will be notified.

Please direct responses and inquiries to your Bombardier Aerospace Regional Aircraft Field Service Representative or the Technical Help Desk in Montreal at telephone number (514) 855-8500 or facsimile (514) 855-8501.

Mike Dornenburg and Frank Baistrocchi, In-Service Engineering, Bombardier Aerospace Regional Aircraft.

 

[acaTerry]

Jeepman,
Read about three or four posts later.....I WAS KIDDING!!!

 

[Jeepman]

Jeepman,
Read about three or four posts later.....I WAS KIDDING!!!

I read it.

Mesa being blamed for everything = funny

Making jokes of flight crew who did an excellent job in an emergency situation = POOR! NOT FUNNY. PERIOD

 

[CatYaaak]

A CRJ you say? Then I think it's perfectly clear we can...

BLAME CANADA!!! BLAME CANADA!!!

....and not only that, since Montreal is FRENCH Canada, we can also blame those wussy, snail-eating Croakers over in Frogland too!