SKW Inc's Plans Leaked?

[General Lee]

No leak. SKW has "purchasing power" over others right now.. Delta just droped some "coin" on 737-900's, MD90's and 717's .. They may not want to pony up for 70 CRJ900's if the TA passes.. Thats were SkyWest is hoping to capitalize....just my guess.. Plus if Delta passes this. "others" will follow.. UA/AA ect.. Could generate the need for 200+ 76 seat jets...

Huh? Delta is getting the MD90s at $8-9 million EACH including engines, and SWA might be paying DL $150,000 a year for EACH 717 (to take them off their hands, just a rumor). The 737-900s are costly, but thanks to the delay on the 787s, I wonder if Delta got a good deal?

If Delta does pass the TA, and the "others" follow, I wonder if the others will be dropping 200+ 50 seaters also? How many of those do you guys have anyway? But, there could be some 76 seaters coming, minus the 50 seaters.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I hear Delta wants to send a lot of those 717s to SLC. May not be good for Skywest. Skywests may be forced to reallocate it's flying elsewhere.

Really? I thought it was more of an East Coast type plane? Maybe more LGA and ATL? I guess they could try it in SLC, flying the Montana stuff again. (If it passes...)

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Unless they want to park them at the E gates,(no jet bridge) then good luck.. Could swap them out for the A319... plus the new airport plan has even less gates.. Time will tell. I do see them doing routes like SLC-DEN.. (900 route now)

Could they put them in the B gates near SWA?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Freebrd]

Trolling again eh Jenny! You putz!

 

[amcnd]

Could they put them in the B gates near SWA?


Bye Bye--General Lee

Has a extra 12 feet wing span on a E175... Its pretty close in there.. Im sure they could angle them and loose one gate to park 2..?? I will ask and get back to you on this one..

 

[CRJ puppy]

Has a extra 12 feet wing span on a E175... Its pretty close in there.. Im sure they could angle them and loose one gate to park 2..?? I will ask and get back to you on this one..

I think loosening a few gates versus losing a few gates would be preferable.

:smash:

 

[JumpersAway]

Guys, it's not the company that is the issue- it's the business model that's broken. Crying about ASA's lack of good news doesn't fly with me- take a look around. The greatest news so far has been no news for us. Comair, Legacy ExpressJet (furloughs and layoffs), Pinnacle, etc. Sometimes it's just good enough to maintain the status quo- and we're doing that. Looking at where we are, in comparison to where we could have been, or where our competitors are, it's not THAT bad. Could it be better??? Absolutely......but is it the "end of days"..........no way. To see what we've held on to is nothing shy of remarkable. Name one company that has done better, over the long term of the regional industry, that has done better than us. You will be hard pressed to do it.

ASA ExpressJet is merely a player in an antiquated and no longer lucrative business plan. SkyWest Inc. knows this and WILL adapt eventually. They have more money in the bank, than JetBlue borrowed to start, so don't go hitting the panic button and wavin' your hands in the air just yet. However, I can tell U that I hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I will also tell you that it's the business model that scares me, and that's why I'm looking at options. It's not so much the running of this company, or the people that cause me to look elsewhere for employment. It's simply the long term prospects of regional feed and it's instability. Will SkyWest jump the shark and change business strategy? Probably......but I'm just looking for long term stability at the moment. All things considered though, I still feel that for a REGIONAL, ExpressJet is still the place to be, above all others...........

 

[trip]

Could they put them in the B gates near SWA?


Bye Bye--General Lee

They could use the middle of B the airbus parks in there occasionally. The problem is finding worthwhile routes out west for the 717 during the middle of the day, Montana is only good for the AM/PM.

 

[wms]

The regional industry will need to shrink. Partly because of the business model and partly to meet the reduced staffing that is resulting from fewer pilots and partly due to strengthened scope. When the majors do start hiring there will be a void at the regionals that will not be filled, therefore fleet sizes will shrink to match pilot levels. The regionals that survive will be the ones that attract what few 1500 hour pilots that are willing to be at the regionals.

 

[i fly boxes]

I heard pinnacle is buying Skywest

 

[Clutch]

Pinnacle sucks

 

[i fly boxes]

Its true, I heard it from a recurrent ground instructor who heard it from the lead mechanic in MSP who heard it from God. I guess Pinnacle got approved for a massive loan in bankrputcy court to subsidize their chapter 11 exit.

 

[Erlanger]

Pinnacle sucks

We don't hear a lot of "Mesa sucks" anymore.

 

[79%N1]

We don't hear a lot of "Mesa sucks" anymore.

That's cause Rene straightened us all out!!!!

 

[JustaNumber]

Nothing more than a lot of wishful thinking on the part of Bombardier.

Reading comprehension, people! Certainly Bombardier is wishing they're the ones getting the order(s), but the big news here is the statement of these facts:

At least two banking insiders (not Bombardier) are on the record as saying that "SkyWest is seeking to replace a large portion of the 512 50-seat jets it operates." It also specifically refers to BOTH CRJs and Q400's, as well as the fact that ATR has a chance at some of the orders. They disclose that Skywest is looking to purchase 100-200 replacement airplanes, and they guess that half of these will come from Embraer. These insiders also see SKYW (NOT any other airline) as the biggest potential regional customer for Bombardier.

While Bombardier would certainly like the orders, the statements they have made are not wishful thinking; they are statements about who is in the marketplace right now.

What this means is that:

1) Because of the scope requirements in Delta's TA (i.e. no replacement 50 seater jets allowed, and there will be 70 76 seaters to be purchased), SKYW is anticipating capturing a very large number of these. It looks like Delta may purchase some of them to place at other various regionals, but the language in the article suggests that Skywest will have the lion's share. There was no mention of a potential "ENORMOUS" order from Delta or Pinnacle or others.

2) SKYW is planning on replacing CRJ200s with turboprops, probably Q400s.

3) Since, in one insider's opinion, there is a good chance that Embraer will capture half of Skywest's order, that implies that: a) Skywest may be adding E170's to its fleet, or b) Embraer has a large turboprop (click here) in the works, or c) the Brasilia is coming back!?!

Things are starting to make sense now. The Delta TA says about 200 CRJ200s are going away, but I just can't see Delta ending the hundreds of routes that the CRJ currently flies. Dothan and Chattanooga and Asheville will still need service; Delta just wants it done cheaper. So they rush the TA, telling the Delta pilots that, sure, 70 new 76 seaters will be allowed, but LOOK at all the 200's going away! They never SAID that DCI was shrinking, they are just letting the Delta pilots do the math and ASSUME that 70 minus 200 equals a negative number. In reality, the 200 CRJs are just getting replaced by 200 shiny new bigger turboprops, AND we're growing by 70 jets. So DCI is actually growing.

This really shouldn't change anything for the Delta pilots, though, because for some reason turboprops don't threaten their manhood.

My final thought: As far as I know, there is nothing to prevent most or ALL of these new planes from going to Skywest Airlines as opposed to Expressjet, or vice-versa. With this potential in mind, I would think that item number one on EV's contract wish-list should be some kind of scope to capture these airplanes. Ideally, I think we should push for ONE LIST, at least for the pilots. They don't even have to merge the airlines, but that would seem to be the most cost-effective thing they could do. I don't know why we were never asked if this was something we wanted to pursue; I think there are a large number of pilots, worried about job protection, who would be happy to make ONE LIST the number one priority.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Things are starting to make sense now. The Delta TA says about 200 CRJ200s are going away, but I just can't see Delta ending the hundreds of routes that the CRJ currently flies. Dothan and Chattanooga and Asheville will still need service; Delta just wants it done cheaper. So they rush the TA, telling the Delta pilots that, sure, 70 new 76 seaters will be allowed, but LOOK at all the 200's going away! They never SAID that DCI was shrinking, they are just letting the Delta pilots do the math and ASSUME that 70 minus 200 equals a negative number. In reality, the 200 CRJs are just getting replaced by 200 shiny new bigger turboprops, AND we're growing by 70 jets. So DCI is actually growing.

The TA now includes turboprop restrictions. There is no differentiation between a 50-seat jet and a 50-seat turboprop. There will not be '200 shiny new bigger turboprops," and DCI will not be "actually growing."

TA Limits
End state cap of 450 DCI aircraft
o Exception for propeller-driven or turboprop aircraft of up to 37 seats
and/or 37,000 lbs.
o Exception for Delta Private Jets of up to 19 seats and 65,000 lbs.
Five aircraft may weigh up to 99,900 lbs.
o Exception for up to nine aircraft operated under a prorate agreement with
Chautauqua Airlines or Shuttle America, seating capacity up to 44 seats
and less than 65,000 lbs.
End state cap of 125 50-seat aircraft of up to 65,000 lbs. based on ratio reduction
o Company plans to have 343 50-seat jet aircraft on July 1, 2012
o Under TA, reduction of 50-seat aircraft based on deliveries of new 76-seat
aircraft
o Zero future growth allowed
Immediate hard cap of 102 70-seat aircraft of up to 86,000 lbs.
o Zero future growth allowed
End state hard cap of 223 76-seat aircraft of up to 86,000 lbs.
o Existing weight exception for 36 Compass EMB-175 at 89,000 lbs. remains
o Requires 1.25 SNB in fleet for each 76-seat aircraft added above current
153 in fleet up to maximum of 223
o This is a reduction of 32 76-seat aircraft from current PWA limit (based on
the current 3:1 growth metric and up to 255 76-seat aircraft)
o The combined cap on 70 and 76-seat aircraft increases to 325 (102 70-seat +
223 76-seat)
o Eliminates 3:1 growth over 767 mainline aircraft up to 255
o Zero future growth allowed

 

[MoroniMetro]

I believe the Delta TA will not allow any other carrier (other than Republic who has Frontier, with planes larger than 76 seats) to have planes larger than 76 seats, even in a holding company. If a company would like to have planes larger than 76 seats, then I think they might lose the feed.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Oh G.L. how many times are you going to go down this path? Wide-body vs. Narrow-body, Wide-body wins and scope will be relaxed.

 

[JustaNumber]

Goggles,
Thanks for the additional details. So I guess if you put that together with the other info from the article, I would say the only things that make sense would be, either SKYW is counting on a large percentage of those 70 planes, and/or all the replacements will be on the United side.

 

[Maria]

I'm thinking Sky Inc will play Skywest off ExpressJet and vice versa, and whichever company bids lowest wins the aircraft from the holding company. As the CRJ200 airframes time out, the aircraft are eliminated without replacement.

If Delta's TA goes through, I expect Skywest will be furloughing in six months, Expressjet soon after. The only winners will be the lawyers and executives as they take their respective golden parachutes.

 

[N813CA]

Did I see that right that Sky west has 512 50 seater's? Ouch. I don't see how any company can recover from that.... Sorry. I loved the 8 years I flew it, but thats a lot. Good Luck. I seriously mean that.