Single Representation at SWA/AirTran

[BOX OFFICE]

Wow!!!!!!!!!

 

[-9Capt]

Of course I blame the pilots. And the MEC, and the Merger Committee. But mostly the pilots.

Me too. We got the piss poor integration we deserve. Act like a bitch and get treated like a bitch.

 

[tankerhead]

Stay classless PCL you seem to be good at it. Thank God you wont be working at SWA.

But if he does, he'll find good company with your RSW "triple G" genius out in Pilot Knob Estates.

 

[RobZerbe]

We had ironclad language guaranteeing us integration and guaranteeing us arbitration.

False.

Sophistry.

 

[PCL_128]

False.

Sophistry.

The language speaks for itself.

 

[madjack]

Pls quote the ironclad language...

 

[Mk3tm]

Here's what ALPA told us about the "ironclad language" after they had torpedoed the fence, the pay, the furlough protection, and the capt seats:

"What are our alternatives? If this agreement is not ratified, we will proceed to arbitration, a process in which we are fully prepared to engage. Although there are no guarantees, we might, in fact, secure a list in arbitration that would offer most AirTran pilots several percent greater seniority than the list we have before us.

Afterward, however, we are more likely than not to face an uncertain period; one which will likely be marked by the continued separate operations of Southwest and AirTran, and the possibility of prolonged litigation in an effort to force an integration of the two carriers through enforcement of the provisions of our scope clause and of the Transition Agreement. Litigation is also an option for which we are ready. But given length of time it may take to secure a final, enforceable award, and, even then, given the uncertainty of the outcome, is this the wisest choice?"

 

[redflyer65]

No it wasn't the wisest choice. They should have taken the first deal and everything that came with it.

Or at least allowed the pilots to have an Up or Down vote on it. In this situation, much like the TWA thread, ALPA was the pilots worse enemy.

 

[Ty Webb]

Oh, Lord . . . .

There's more Monday morning QB's around here than there will be on all the networks next Monday.

:laugh:

 

[slaquer5]

The language speaks for itself.

We aren't even talking about GK, and yet you see the need to jump in and guzzle some of his cum? Telling.

I could not agree more

 

[GhettoBeechjet]

Ty is right....and it has the same effect as the Monday morning QB/coach. Zero zip and nada. Simple fact is all 3 sides entered into a complex high stakes negotiation. All 3 sides used the leverage they had or thought they had at the time to secure the best agreement possible for their side or move on to the next best option. The field changed along the way, an agreement was reached and the majority of the pilots on both sides decided the agreement in front of them was better than the other option presented. I don't think anybody loves this agreement, and most on both sides feel like they should have gotten a better deal. Whatever, the finger pointing doesn't change todays reality. I hope to see the day when most can move on and be ok with their personal reality. I think we will probably get there but some never will I guess.

 

[PCL_128]

Well played, slaquer. But I've never seen such a bunch of sissies get so upset about some mildly crude language. Must be the same pansy crowd that created "participation trophies" for Little League.

 

[twepilot]

Well played, slaquer. But I've never seen such a bunch of sissies get so upset about some mildly crude language. Must be the same pansy crowd that created "participation trophies" for Little League.

Still living in that alternate universe of yours aren't ya Toad..

RV

 

[dicko]

False.

Sophistry.

That's sweet of you Rob. You clearly feel that the threat of unemployment is a legitimate negotiating tactic. At least there's no confusion for some anymore.

Morality.

 

[madjack]

Let it go please

 

[Secret Squirrel]

That's sweet of you Rob. You clearly feel that the threat of unemployment is a legitimate negotiating tactic. At least there's no confusion for some anymore.

Morality.

You mean like airtran did all the time, and actually fired and furloughed people to back up the threats?

 

[dicko]

You mean like airtran did all the time, and actually fired and furloughed people to back up the threats?

Are you likening SWAPA to AirTran pre merger management ?