Shuttle America Sale completed.

[StuckInASaab]

EHH, we will see...I got a shot. The point didn't sail over my head...I will try to stay at Shuttle...Again I reiterate 145? With the number of planes projected to come on propery here, and Republic spooling up at the same time, there is a very good chance that a few of the Shuttle guys and Gals will get a shot at sticking around. (Odds are, you are correct, 145).

Slap... you are correct, equipment bidding will be by pure seniority after the integration. If you can hold it, you can hold it, from either of the three companys. If you are a captain here, and you want to retain your seat, then you may have to leave Shuttle and go play over at CHQ and REP.

 

[I.P. Freley]

As do I. Not wishing ill will on anyone, but I'd be extremely surprised to see more than a dozen current captains and FO's (give or take) at SA on the 170 a year from now. This is based upon a ratio merge and the expected number of 170's, which to me suggests that no more than the top dozen on each list would have the opportunity to bid on anything other than the 145.

The FA's, however, will ALL end up on the 170's, which effectively breaks up the family. That is the biggest shame of all.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Their are Republic pilots the company just put out the bid award for Republic pilots to be based in Indy and CMH.

I heard from CHQ HR last week that my class has been pushed back to May 31st and that I will be in the first Republic New Hire Class.

 

[SlapShot]

Slap... you are correct, equipment bidding will be by pure seniority after the integration. If you can hold it, you can hold it, from either of the three companys. If you are a captain here, and you want to retain your seat, then you may have to leave Shuttle and go play over at CHQ and REP.

So since in said you wanted to stay on the SA certificate, you would go back to the right seat to fly the 170 rather then hold captain on the 145?

 

[BlackPilot628]

Does anyone know when Republic is suppose to take delivery of their Delta E170's?

Any prospective Routes yet?

 

[StuckInASaab]

NO, NO, NO...Salp, I was being sarcastic towards your friend and mine. I will bid SA 170 CA, If I can't hold that, I will BID RP 170 CA, If I can't hold that, I will bid CHQ 145 CA ( Where I am sure my welcome will be met with arms wide open.), followed by, FO bids in the same order. I am saying that I will bid for what ever my seniority can hold.

But you gotta remember, this is the airline industry... People bid things very differently. Like pass an upgrade by to have the holidays off. People also like to stay in the city they live in, especially when the AC they are gonna be commuting for may put them on reserve, or on a long commute or only be a $2.50 per hr raise. No matter the size of a list, you never see straight seniority, you know that. And, there are seatlocks in place.

170 ca..........340 ca
145 ca......... 340 ca
145 fo.......... 340 fo
170 ca..........340 ca
145 fo.......... 340 fo
145 ca...........340 fo
170 fo...........340 ca
LOOK FAMILIAR???

These scenerios happen all the time, especially in a growing company. You of all people should know that. We've seen it before.

 

[SlapShot]

Ahhhhh, I gotcha now.

It should be interesting to see how all this shakes out. The meetings next week will be interesting. However I do not think anything will be resolved by the end of next week though. I think this is going to be a long drawn out process.

 

[CFII]

Will all of these Shuttle America pilots move ahead of someone in training right now at Chautauqua? Also, what about the potential planes from Mid-Atlantic? Will all of those crews be put ahead of someone in training now as well if they are sent over to Republic? It seems like that would be a bummer for people in training right now, but whatever is fair. Thanks.

 

[SlapShot]

Will all of these Shuttle America pilots move ahead of someone in training right now at Chautauqua? Also, what about the potential planes from Mid-Atlantic? Will all of those crews be put ahead of someone in training now as well if they are sent over to Republic? It seems like that would be a bummer for people in training right now, but whatever is fair. Thanks.

The fate of the Shuttle America pilots is yet to be determined.

 

[StuckInASaab]

Yes, and maybe. The Mid-Atlantic thing, I know nothing about. The S5 thing, yes. We will be added to the CHQ seniority list, in some sort of seniority order.

Not unfairly though. The pilots currently at Shuttle are a great group, they have worked very hard to make this company an attractive addition to the Republic Airways family. Put up with a lot of crummy work rules over the previous few years. We bring something very valuable to this merge, our certificate, which we have a legal and binding contract to do the flying for. CHQ brings the airplanes... also a very valuable addition.

Since their planes are going on our certificate, we need to come up with a fair solution to seniority integration, and who flies what...therefore, it will probably go date of hire, and you can fly what you can hold. I say probably because the merger meeting hasnt happened yet.

There are some pilots that will, by number only, lose some seniority, but with the growth that will come from the result of this merger, everyone, even if your seniority "appears" lower will gain relative seniority.

It is better to be number 500 on a 2200 pilot list, than to be 420 on a 1200 pilot list. That is a fact, and that is what we are looking at.

 

[ASH]

The pilots currently at Shuttle are a great group, they have worked very hard to make this company an attractive addition to the Republic Airways family.

Please, you had a certificate that we needed to aviod paying fines, don't kid yourselves. I'm sure you are all great folks, and us here @ CHQ/RP much look forward to seeing you come aboard, just don't prance in like you did ANYTHING special to be here. You are all winnfalling into a very good thing.

 

[StuckInASaab]

The pilots currently at Shuttle are a great group, they have worked very hard to make this company an attractive addition to the Republic Airways family.

Please, you had a certificate that we needed to aviod paying fines, don't kid yourselves. I'm sure you are all great folks, and us here @ CHQ/RP much look forward to seeing you come aboard, just don't prance in like you did ANYTHING special to be here. You are all winnfalling into a very good thing.

Thanks for belittling our efforts, quite a way to be "Welcomed"

I won't "prance", if I can just hear one CHQ pilot say that growth from within would have been just as sweet as a buyout. All I keep hearing is Shuttle had no future, or that we were just a tax write off. Fact is this is a very good thing that happened to us, but all I keep hearing is that this was the best thing that could have ever happened.

I, and a lot of people stuck this out hoping to get a jet deal, not to get bought out by CHQ. But beig that this is what worked out, I am not complaining. We did work very hard, and nobody is gonna take that away from us.

Most of us could have gotten on at CHQ, but they were not hiring or interviewing S5 pilots at the time. Most of the people that stuck around, actually enjoy it here, and became partially loyal to shuttle, or didn't want to make a lateral move to another regional.

 

[CFII]

Quote StuckInASaab: "It is better to be number 500 on a 2200 pilot list, than to be 420 on a 1200 pilot list. That is a fact, and that is what we are looking at."

This may be true, and I am by no means trying to get anything started, but I was referring to someone that is in initial training right now at CHQ. Granted they are new to the game, but it is still a bummer for them. So, being 1200 out of 1200 sounds much much better than being 2200 out of 2200. Just an observation.

 

[StuckInASaab]

That may sound better, but if you are a newhire now, 2200 will never be in your cards. You probably already have close to 75 junior to you, and you are still in training.

 

[CFII]

StuckInASaab: Sorry, I realized that after I posted my response. I wasn't going after you... You really think that this merger will produce that much growth? I know no one knows for sure, but that would be great.

 

[StuckInASaab]

Weve been hearing closer to 2500-3000 by the end of 2007, for anyone who is around that long, if you calculate the number of planes that they are getting, with options, based on 10 pilots per plane, + the current list.

 

[CFII]

quote: StuckInASaab "Weve been hearing closer to 2500-3000 by the end of 2007, for anyone who is around that long, if you calculate the number of planes that they are getting, based on 10 pilots per plane, + the current list."

WOW!!! I certainly hope that you are right.

 

[Viper1948]

I.P.


I missed the source part of the question. If I see you at a party in New Hampshire Saturday night, you'll know who.

Anybody else on here going?

V

 

[Popeye0537]

Hey Stuck...why do you think you have a right to fly our jets? Yes you are correct, we need your certificate to bypass the fines....but its been quoted that by years end those Sabbs go bye bye.

With out CHQ picking you guys up, what flying would you be doing without a contract with UAL? So don't tell me that a fair merger for you would be DOH! If that were true I would have taken a job with you guys instead of flying cargo for better pay and aircraft.

You guys are being aquired...remember that....the only fair merger is to Staple you to the bottom of our senority list, and also fence you in those Sabbs until they go away...


Any thoughts?

 

[I.P. Freley]

You really think that this merger will produce that much growth? I know no one knows for sure, but that would be great.

Between the 170's and the 190's, I'll bet there's a lot of growth to come. Surely there's nearly two dozen 170's yet to be delivered, and that's a couple of hundred pilots who haven't even been hired yet.

And pardon me if I don't shed a tear for a current CHQ newhire trainee, they haven't accomplished anything yet short of passing an interview. No matter what your point of view is as pertains to the SA pilot group, the vast majority of them have worked hard and long (half the list has been around for two years or more) to keep the company going, roughly a third of the pilots being subjected to a year-long 10% paycut, and that's the only reason it was there to buy in the first place... Thus its' attractiveness as a buyout.

The CHQ newhire hasn't even passed a PC yet, so don't try to get anyone's eyes moist bemoaning their horrible fate, specifically being shoved down the list by a whopping 88 numbers with a river of newhires to follow them. In the end, it's the number of people BELOW you that determines how badly CrewSked can play BOHICA games.

SA people have earned their place on the CHQ seniority list that was made possible by the company being purchased. Period.

 

[I.P. Freley]

You guys are being aquired...remember that....the only fair merger is to Staple you to the bottom of our senority list, and also fence you in those Sabbs until they go away...


Any thoughts?

Yeah, I've got a thought.

You are full of pasture pudding. How's THAT for a thought?

 

[I.P. Freley]

I.P.


I missed the source part of the question. If I see you at a party in New Hampshire Saturday night, you'll know who.

Anybody else on here going?

V

Okay, now I'm officially lost.

 

[BendOverAgain?]

I, and a lot of people stuck this out hoping to get a jet deal, not to get bought out by CHQ.

Correction, let's get this straight, CHQ isn't buying Shuttle America Republic is. CHQ is a subsidirary just as we are now!

 

[Popeye0537]

What exactally is pasture pudding.....Do you get that when you go cow tipping?

 

[BendOverAgain?]

Hey Stuck...why do you think you have a right to fly our jets? Yes you are correct, we need your certificate to bypass the fines....but its been quoted that by years end those Sabbs go bye bye.

With out CHQ picking you guys up, what flying would you be doing without a contract with UAL? So don't tell me that a fair merger for you would be DOH! If that were true I would have taken a job with you guys instead of flying cargo for better pay and aircraft.

You guys are being aquired...remember that....the only fair merger is to Staple you to the bottom of our senority list, and also fence you in those Sabbs until they go away...


Any thoughts?

Get a life! You are not buying us out. And the only reason you have the growth you've had is because Shuttle took over your Saabs so that CHQ could go pure jets and get a better IPO. Most of us at Shuttle have been around probably longer than you have been at CHQ and probably have your job today because of us. Staple is not going to happen. If you are as junior as you sound to be, pay your dues, we've already paid ours and the initial for you!

 

[Popeye0537]

So what your sayin I P is that I can earn my senority with a company that I don't even work for????

Cool, I'm callin up United and explain that I deserve DOH on thier list, I should be able to hold an FO spot flyin the 777


Give me a break

 

[Popeye0537]

I paid my dues in cargo....the only reason your going to exist now is because of CHQ.

Didn't you ever hear of don't bite the hand that feeds you???

 

[I.P. Freley]

What exactally is pasture pudding.....Do you get that when you go cow tipping?

You can get it on your SHOES when you go cow tipping, I guess. Or on any other part of you that happens to end up in contact with Mother Earth.

 

[bandit110]

Alright kids. Thats about enough. The adults will meet and determine the integration, both sides will have to give some and you all will have to get along in the cockpit. Just rember that more people read this crap rather than post on it. As far as I know there is no anomosity between shuttle and chq. keep it that way. Everyone is a little stressed out waiting to find out how this will work out, but bashing each other here is no way to act. If you can't handle it and can't wait it out without spewinng crap on fight info, you may not be cut out for this job especially in the current state of the industry. Let the elected union officials work together and please stop fostering bad blood between the two groups.

 

[I.P. Freley]

So what your sayin I P is that I can earn my senority with a company that I don't even work for????

Cool, I'm callin up United and explain that I deserve DOH on thier list, I should be able to hold an FO spot flyin the 777


Give me a break

If United buys RAH, then you probably do deserve a spot on their list.

Just a suggestion, you might want to wait on calling United before they buy your company.

But hey, go ahead, call United and explain to them that you deserve an FO spot right now. Use your name, too, it'll help all the SA people that end up junior to you.