Shuttle America Sale completed.

[Flying Horses]

I've said it before and I'll say it again, put the #1 SA pilot in at DOH and do a ratio merge from then on down, unless the ratio merge puts a Shuttle pilot higher than he/she should be by DOH... So basically, ratio merge that puts no SA pilot above someone with an earlier hire date. That would be most fair for all involved, and no individual CHQ pilot gets the screws put to them more than another.

I agree. This would be the best and most fair way for everybody.

I hope people on the merger committees are aware of this idea.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Well I can't confirm that they read this msg board, but then again, I can't confirm that they don't.

 

[Dart]

think they will hire captains off the street?

 

[SF340Guy]

think they will hire captains off the street?

What?? WTF...why would we need to do that. Between the two companies we already have enough qualified pilots for upgrade. Both companies have high time F/O's. no 500 hr wonder boys here.

 

[Dart]

Calm down chump! It was just a question......its a good deal for the shuttle guys.

 

[hockeypilot44]

I say Shuttle pilots go with the Saabs. The 170's are Chautauqua/Republic's airplanes. Chautauqua and Republic are the same thing. We aquired Shuttle for the certificate only. If the Shuttle pilots do not like it, then we can be overly generous and give them preferential interviews. A staple is unfair. That is a windfall for Shuttle pilots. We should treat these pilots just like they did to the Chicago Express pilots, preferential interviews. I know Chicago Express wasn't taken over by someone, but Shuttle would end up just like that company had we not come in. We have a solid seniority list. No one should be placed in middle of it. I also believe no one should be placed on end of it without interviewing at Chautauqua.

 

[captain evil]

Hockeypilot44 i disagree, I think Shuttle should get the 170 and republic and Chautauqua should stick to what they have now. Shuttle deserves those planes. The people that work at Shuttle have worked there butts off for the last 3 years and got nothing in return.

 

[hockeypilot44]

Chq and Republic are already flying 170's. We have been for almost a year now. Even the 170's on Shuttle's certificate that are already flying or will be in a month are flown by Chq pilots. Our contract says it has to be that way. The only way for Shuttle pilots to get into the 170's is to get on our seniority list. This is where controversy comes in. My last post was opinion. This post is facts.

 

[captain evil]

Just give us some Cessna's to fly then.

 

[BendOverAgain?]

Chq and Republic are already flying 170's. We have been for almost a year now. Even the 170's on Shuttle's certificate that are already flying or will be in a month are flown by Chq pilots. Our contract says it has to be that way. The only way for Shuttle pilots to get into the 170's is to get on our seniority list. This is where controversy comes in. My last post was opinion. This post is facts.

More facts!! June 04, Wexford had a TA for Shuttle to receive those 170's (CHQ was scoped and couldn't operate them with their current contracts) and Shuttles Local 264 had CHQ's Local 747 (aviation) lawyers look everything over before mailed for a vote. BUT the 747 stopped it and used CHQ's contract negotiations and the IPO to force Wexford to giving the 170's to CHQ even though it was known to only be for a unknown duration due to the scope clause with CHQ. CHQ back stabbed Shuttle yet again by "Removing" any and all options for preferential hiring/interviews from their CBA seeing Shuttle America as becoming a threat (or competition) for future jet flying.

These are the "FACTS", the 170's are just coming home and any implementation of pilot groups is nothing more than a legal end-round to the situation; just as running Shuttle in the open as a separate carrier was for a tax write-off for those SAAB's CHQ signed an extensive lease for, while at the same time was/has been controlled by Repulbic with a final stab in the back by CHQ with them building sub-standard lines for Shuttle over the last 4+ years!

Oops, you don't want to know all the facts do ya's. Only those that "Pump you Up".

 

[BoilerUP]

My last post was opinion. This post is facts.

Republic is not currently flying anything. They were supposed to have their operating certificate this time last year. The lack of operating certificate is why RJET is paying the fine to American, and one of the major reasons for the acquisition of Shuttle America.

 

[captain evil]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHAT NOW Hockeypilot44

 

[hockeypilot44]

The way I understand it, we offered Shuttle preferential interviews, and your union told us no in less polite terms. Republic and Chautauqua are the same thing. Republic was going to operate 170's, Chautauqua 145's. Same pilots. Notice how all 170's currently in service are flown by our pilot group. Your pilot group should be losing their jobs in a few months, but we need the Shuttle certificate to get midatlantic planes. You guys hit the lottery, and think you deserve our contract and working conditions. At the same time, you want to take it even further and work your way into the middle of our seniority list. There are more than a few pilots at Chautauqua who never even bothered applying to Shuttle because of your terrible working conditions and QOL. A lot of us held out for a better company because we did not want to live the Shuttle way. We chose not to work there so I do not want to hear complaining about how you Shuttle pilots have paid your dues by working under terrible conditions for so long. That is your own fault.

 

[BoilerUP]

Republic and Chautauqua are NOT the same airline. You need to study the last year of RJET history and come back into this discussion informed.

Republic was to be the E170 division of Republic Airways Holdings, while Chautauqa was to operate the E135/140/145. They would each be operated under their own OC, but would be bound by the language of the CHQ/IBT CBA. The master CHQ list would supply the RP pilots, but that was the only thing 'common' between them. Two seperate airlines owned by one holding company, with one common seniority list.

And the whole reason for this gigantic, expensive cluster is the APA's scope clause.

 

[BendOverAgain?]

The way I understand it, we offered Shuttle preferential interviews, and your union told us no in less polite terms.

What, think about that - do you really think anyone would burn a bridge in this industry? Surely not. CHQ had it in place, then removed it during the 170's negotiation. Check the dates, happened June - July 04.

Republic and Chautauqua are the same thing. Republic was going to operate 170's, Chautauqua 145's. Same pilots. Notice how all 170's currently in service are flown by our pilot group.

Not so, read your own CBA. Republic (Parent) CHQ (subsidary) and now Shuttle America (subsidary). And as for CHQ pilots flying under Republic, that was put in the contract during negotiations during the same time CHQ had the 170's pulled from being offered to Shuttle (CHQ, attempting to cut the throat of Shuttle by an attempt to lock up all jet flying for themselves had language added that all Republic flying has to be from the CHQ pilot seniority list). So, your own CBA now dictates a DOH merger of the pilot seniority list in order to fly the 170's. But you won, original CHQ pilots will also be flying the 170 where if it went through as planned, only Shuttle America pilots would be flying the 170/190's.

Your pilot group should be losing their jobs in a few months, but we need the Shuttle certificate to get midatlantic planes.

Not so, as stated earlier the 170's have been planned for Shuttle from the beginning. Clean certificate with no scope clauses. As you said "we need the Shuttle certificate".

There are more than a few pilots at Chautauqua who never even bothered applying to Shuttle because of your terrible working conditions and QOL. A lot of us held out for a better company because we did not want to live the Shuttle way. We chose not to work there so I do not want to hear complaining about how you Shuttle pilots have paid your dues by working under terrible conditions for so long. That is your own fault.

The poor QOL comes from the lines that are built by CHQ (read above post). Those of us that held on here at Shuttle holding it together did so because of the "Big Picture" knowing that growth was inevitable as Wexford wasn't going to throw away a certificate without scope clauses. Being here with 170's rolling in is our fault. Hearing the 10% of CHQ pilots complaining about the merger if your own fault. You left Wexford Capitol no choice by attempting to tie up all the jet flying for CHQ.

I've met with many from CHQ and find them a good group and look forward to working together to build a larger pilot group under Republic Holdings.

 

[OldManPilot]

One year from now this will all be behind us. I suggest that we stop the childish bickering and just wait and see. We have no control over this seniority integration so let's those who do get it worked out. 1200 pilots vs. 89... not a big deal... So what if you have to wait a couple more months to upgrade, look at the big picture. Relax... It will work out just fine.

 

[GuinessGuy]

OldManPilot, well said.
HockeyPilot44, get a grip. Seriously, dude, you need to get laid.

 

[Skull1]

You must have drank too much of your own Kool Aid

hockeypilot44

Since you “understand” what happened in the past is different from the “facts”, why don’t you preach your idealism at the IAD Crew Room – G Gates.


You must be a newbie FO or just a newly minted Captain. You must quite possibly be a junior pilot who hasn’t been with the company that long. Then, again, you must be someone who hasn’t taken any history course of your own company or just failed to look at it.



Please dispel the untruth to us when you get a chance and we look forward to listening to your huge mouth and your enormous ego. The 50 plus pilots, not including FA’s and mechanics, who has been here during those rough times knows what happened. And we all never forgot what you all did, at least to those who are responsible.



So we look forward to hearing you dispel the facts. Also, we can’t wait to listen to your huge mouth and enormous ego.



We are all waiting for you at IAD Crew Room – G Gates. Don’t forget now.



Skull1

The way I understand it, we offered Shuttle preferential interviews, and your union told us no in less polite terms. Republic and Chautauqua are the same thing. Republic was going to operate 170's, Chautauqua 145's. Same pilots. Notice how all 170's currently in service are flown by our pilot group. Your pilot group should be losing their jobs in a few months, but we need the Shuttle certificate to get midatlantic planes. You guys hit the lottery, and think you deserve our contract and working conditions. At the same time, you want to take it even further and work your way into the middle of our seniority list. There are more than a few pilots at Chautauqua who never even bothered applying to Shuttle because of your terrible working conditions and QOL. A lot of us held out for a better company because we did not want to live the Shuttle way. We chose not to work there so I do not want to hear complaining about how you Shuttle pilots have paid your dues by working under terrible conditions for so long. That is your own fault.

 

["TheBigPicture"]

Heard everyone is looking for "the big picture," hope this helps.

Oh yeah...why doesn't everyone just chill out a little bit.

The only thing fighting amongst ourselves does is help mgmt.

 

[Stingman]

Skull1, you may want to consider changing your nickname to something else, especially if you are now part of the CHQ pilot group. The "original" Skull1 is notorious on this and many other message boards. Try a search on this board for "skull-one" and you'll see............