Shuttle America Sale completed.

[I.P. Freley]

I paid my dues in cargo....the only reason your going to exist now is because of CHQ.

Pllllleeeeez, tell us more about your magnificence. I am simply riveted by your tales of dues-paying... TESTIFY, BROTHER!

The SA people have been fed Eggs Benedict for breakfast on every AM show and given Big Sandwich for lunch in IAD (sometimes TWICE A DAY if they have quick rotations in the hub!!), not to mention the double secret overnight kits including three bottles of Dewar's and Oberto's beef jerky....

So you're right, those coddled wimps don't deserve anything at all. They've had it way too easy up to this point and need to be knocked down a notch! If only the SA people had paid dues, they'd be entitled to something.

 

[Habib]

SA=Chi Express W/O CHQ/RAH

Enough Said

Go Swingline

 

[I.P. Freley]

SA=Chi Express W/O CHQ/RAH

Enough Said

The only hole in this silly theory is that Wexford has owned SA for the last 3-1/2 years, and has never owned Chicago Express.

Might as well say "SA=Colgan W/O Freedom/Mesa". Makes just as much sense.

Go Bostitch!

 

[Habib]

CHI Express = SA W/O CHQ/RAH

It is like saying that if Grinstein had a dangler and Comair had a cheap piece of toliet paper that Comair pilots should get DOH, because Delta owned them for a while.

RAH owns CHQ not Wexford

 

[I.P. Freley]

...and who is the majority shareholder in RAH, Habib?

Hint: It rhymes with Mexford.

 

[Habib]

OK IP, have a good night, your correct, CHQ got bought by SA, good luck on the DOH.

See ya on the other side, I hope I get to swing your gear and tell ya that she aint that fat.

But serious, welcome, or thank you, I am sleepy.

 

[I.P. Freley]

OK IP, have a good night, your correct, CHQ got bought by SA, good luck on the DOH.

Why don't you try and shove a few more words in my mouth? I never said, or suggested even, that CHQ got bought by SA. What I did suggest is that Wexford bought CHQ. Then Wexford bought SA. Then Wexford spun off CHQ as RAH. Then RAH bought SA... As much as many of the CHQ people would like to think, CHQ did NOT buy SA. Now RAH has to stand by the contract with CHQ, wherein all flying done by RAH has to be done by people off the CHQ list. CHQ and SA share the same union, and it would be a conflict of interest to throw the entire SA seniority list under a bus for the benefit of the CHQ pilots.

This isn't that hard to figure out. I recommend you call your MEC and tell them you won't accept any SA pilots being senior to you after the integration. To make yourself more popular, tell any former SA pilots that they don't deserve a place on "your" list. This will work even better for you if you're an FO and one of those undeserving SA guys or gals is your captain. Make sure you let them know how you feel.

And don't worry, you won't have to swing MY gear unless you leave the happy RAH family... My tenure under Uncle Wexford has run its course. Good luck to ya, and don't forget to stand by your principles and question every former SA pilot about what they think makes them deserving of a place on your list. Remember, they're nothing more than a pathetic bunch of Saab drivers a la Chicago Express. You're better than they are, and don't you let them forget it.

 

[StuckInASaab]

Hey Stuck...why do you think you have a right to fly our jets? Yes you are correct, we need your certificate to bypass the fines....but its been quoted that by years end those Sabbs go bye bye.

With out CHQ picking you guys up, what flying would you be doing without a contract with UAL? So don't tell me that a fair merger for you would be DOH! If that were true I would have taken a job with you guys instead of flying cargo for better pay and aircraft.

You guys are being aquired...remember that....the only fair merger is to Staple you to the bottom of our senority list, and also fence you in those Sabbs until they go away...


Any thoughts?

OK, I don't want to fly your jets...I don't even wan't to fly for CHQ...Hows that sound. I bet you like that on initial reading. I think I will stay at Shuttle and enjoy our jets. The shiny new ones that you are not allowed to fly...A$$. Enjoy your 145. Lets go staple...staple sounds good, that will make all 88 of our guys, captains on the 170's. Yeah thats right....even the Valentine 05' new hires, because every one of you that wants to fly the 170's will be stapled to the bottom of our list. Isn't that what you want, doesn't that sound fair and equitable. Wait, you have been at CHQ so long, the aquiring company, right. Oh wait, we were told today, by our parent company (NOT CHQ), in our hanger that the two companies will not be merged, except the unionized lists. Why, because CHQ CANT FLY THE 170s.

Doesn't sound fair any more does it. Ok, lets talk legal, Teamsters contract legal, All flying done on the Shuttle certificate MUST be done by pilots on the shuttle america master seniority list. I know you have scope with the holding company, but we have scope with our certificate as well. TEAMSERS WON'T PAY LAWYERS TO FIGHT TEAMSTERS. My god, how many jerks like you are now wishing that RAH (NOT CHQ), RAH, had aquired a non-union carrier, or atleast an ALPA carrier. Oh how badly you could have screwed them.

Oh, and by the way, you are the one who voted for your contract, are Allegheny Mohawk merger rules only binding when it benefits you...did you actually vote, or are you sitting in the computer room in STL studying to take your indoc test, while you suddenly thought, "Hey there might be something interesting on Flightinfo, I better put my .02 cents in, no matter how uneducated it is." Put your time in, cry about it after you are off probation.

This Post is stricty targeted at the few pilots at CHQ that are selfish, greedy, self-serving and pompus. I have met several of you that have been very polite, and have actually welcomed us aboard..Thank you. Nothing against any of you, but I have been inspired to reinstate my most recent avatar by Popeye0537.

Popeye...Gear Up!!! Checkride over.

 

[I.P. Freley]

did you actually vote, or are you sitting in the computer room in STL studying to take your indoc test, while you suddenly thought, "Hey there might be something interesting on Flightinfo, I better put my .02 cents in, no matter how uneducated it is." Put your time in, cry about it after you are off probation.

Watch your mouth, he paid his dues flying cargo. You have not suffered like he has.

If you look at his profile, he's already complaining about being an "underpaid FO". Yet another yahoo who takes a job knowing the pay and then kvetches about it within six months of his first day on property...

 

[Popeye0537]

Wow, you guys have way to much time on your hands......

I.P, i bet your from Perdue..your $hit don't stink right?...lol

 

[BlackPilot628]

It's getting nasty!!!

 

[SlapShot]

This coming from an F/O complaining how they are underpaid!!!!

You can not be serious about stapling the SA pilots to the bottom of th CHQ list. Were you even on the property when the current CBA was voted on?

You paid your dues flying cargo? If I may use the same words as my I.P. Pllllleeeeez!!!!!!

Using that logic, half of SA pilots have paid those same dues and then some dues at SA.

 

[Popeye0537]

Im sorry Slap, where did you and IP pay your dues? Flight instructing whew....flying as a gear bitch on a Slab 340....I bow down to your superior skills.

An underpaid gear bitch is what I am...And I am serious about the staple.

 

[SlapShot]

Im sorry Slap, where did you and IP pay your dues? Flight instructing whew....flying as a gear bitch on a Slab 340....I bow down to your superior skills.

An underpaid gear bitch is what I am...And I am serious about the staple.

I will send you my resume. Do you think you could walk it into Chautauqua for me?

 

[Popeye0537]

You be senior to me when the merger happens.

:}

 

[BODENE]

After reading this entire thread, it seems that there are many emotions about this entire merger. Unfortunately, what is done is done. The companies will have to be integrated and we are all going to have to look at the big picture. Why cant everyone focus there energy on trying to help the company grow! Regardless of what happens everyone will still have a job and yes some feeling may get hurt over this, but business is business. Look at the big picture and then decide if all this arguing is really necessary? We all started somewhere, we all have our history on how we got to this point and we should all work together to make a bigger and better Republic,Chautauqua and Shuttle....

 

[SlapShot]

But the arguing is fun.

I know the SA union has done many things without asking for the pilots to vote. Will this ever come to a vote. Also, does the CHQ CBA require a vote?

 

[stb]

A good reason why CHQ bought SA..

is because of American Airlines SCOPE. CHQ is paying the American pilots union something like $30,000 a day for contract violation. 170's flying for United.
Buy a ceritificate put all the 170's on that certificate not working for American and they get around Americans SCOPE. AKA Mesa/ Freedom.
SA was the cheapest certificate to buy.

For SEC filings, CHQ has reported to fly something like 38 E170's for Delta and United by August 2005. Now where can CHQ get another 26 E-170's airplanes, pilots to fly them, (easy part) then have them trained by August 2005. Remember training takes two months if there are no back-ups in training?

Enter Mid-Titanic, (Mid-Atlantic).

Friend of mine works at MDA and he says there are two classes of 10 starting this month. He is on reserve and he flies maybe 2 trips a month (60 flight hours year to date) because of over-staffing. There are the same number of reserves in each base as number of flying lines. Why would Mid-Titanic have more classes?

He was also saying that a good number of pilots at Mid-Titantic will quit if they have to go to CHQ. Pilot rumor at MDA is getting passed around that it would be DOH at MDA (First line pilots hired was around Nov 03, management and Instructors earlier) and first year CHQ pay rates.
Funny/sad part about it is a Piedmont pilot that came over to MDA (September 04) could be senior to a 15 year USAirways pilot that is in class today.
The jet 4 jobs pilot's review for those that went to CHQ wasn't very flattering (Mesa did take the best of the worst award) along with the how a senority intergration plays out, and pay rates, alot of Mid-Titantic pilots will quit.

Another great move by USAirways managment, sell Mid-Titantic then have the jewels of rj's fly for the competition.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

All I gotta say is I love my job so far @ CHQ and love flying the 170

top of FO list in 170
weekends off
15-17 days off
late starts
early finish
NO RESERVE when I was done with training


Try getting that anywhere else as a newhire

Might as well enjoy it while it lasts

 

[stb]

All I gotta say is I love my job so far @ CHQ and love flying the 170

top of FO list in 170
weekends off
15-17 days off
late starts
early finish
NO RESERVE when I was done with training


Try getting that anywhere else as a newhire

Might as well enjoy it while it lasts

Sure not bad for someone starting out their career.
The guys at MDA (USAir) did this 15 years ago flying the F-28 getting 50% to 100% the money living in Miami.

What kills me is that pilots today dont realize there is a good chance that they will retire flying an rj or a 737 CHQ, Mesa, TSA will be flying in the future.
The $300,000, 18 days off pilot jobs are almost non-existent.

 

[Popeye0537]

As well as they should be...300,000 a year flying around 35 hours a month?

Only government regulation would bring that back

 

[stb]

I'm confused...

Popeye0537, i understand what your saying but I read your bio and I'm confused.
Position: Underpaid F/O.

My thought is most new pilots are thinking two maybe three years in the regionals crappy pay, benefits QOL pay my dues then its on to the majors airlines big $$$.

If airlines start merging, that leads to more pilots on the streets which means an even longer time at the regional airlines.

 

[I.P. Freley]

Im sorry Slap, where did you and IP pay your dues? Flight instructing whew....flying as a gear bitch on a Slab 340....I bow down to your superior skills.

Where I flew before SA is immaterial, as I would never try to impress anyone by proclaiming "I paid my dues" to justify my behavior. And I certainly didn't start whining about being underpaid before my first year was up, bemoaning my low pay and gearswinging fate. I find it odd that you accuse ME of having a "Perdue"-ish attitude, when you are the one who apparently hasn't an ounce of humility.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Must be Riddle then

They're cocky

 

[BlackPilot628]

Hey watch it now.

I'm the most down to earth and non cocky person you'll meet; and i'm a Riddle Grad.

But, I agree with you. LOL

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Hey watch it now.

I'm the most down to earth and non cocky person you'll meet; and i'm a Riddle Grad.

But, I agree with you. LOL

Im a Riddle grad too Im just speaking from experience since I met a lot of those cocky guys & gals

 

[AutoCars Armed]

The last time Shuttle tried to extend the leases on a few Saabs the bank wouldn't hear it and the planes were returned...Someone is wanting these planes.

I spoke with the Upper Brass from Republic Holdings at the S5 hangar today, after I returned from my trip. After I was done sticking my foot in my mouth, I asked them if they have a timeline for when the saabs would begin to disappear. The quote I got is, That is up to United. I said "end of the year?" They said, It depends on how long United needs us, a date has not been determined yet, possibly end of this, or early next year.

(The reason I didn't put quotes around their comments is, management reads this board, they know my screenname, and I don't want to be accused of misrepresenting the company with false quotes.)

S5 now owns a few of their saabs, so as a junior captain, I wouldn't be surprised to be saab qualified into the end of next winter or early spring, no matter when a few of the leases "END". BTW, there is not a lot of demand for SF-340(A)'s, so to get a bank to extend a lease for a few months, to keep a major code-share partner happy, would not be out of the question.

 

[StuckInASaab]

The last time Shuttle tried to extend the leases on a few Saabs the bank wouldn't hear it and the planes were returned...Someone is wanting these planes.

It's time to get that story right. Shuttle wanted to purchase 2 of the 4 aircraft that were to go back. The bank said, "Buy 4 or you get none." Shutlle said, "But we only want 2." The Bank said, "4 or none." This went back and forth for a few days, until Shuttle finally said, "Here are your planes back, they will be on your ramp in Bangor later today."

The bank actually wanted nothing to do with those planes, but shuttle didn't want all 4, because at $350,000 (Appx) a pop, there is no way we would have seen a return on our investment in the course of a year or so.

NOBODY WANTS A SAAB, except maybe a few small 135 cargo operators, or fly by night outfits. Shuttle will be abe to extend out the leases a few months on a few of the aircraft from the larger banks, such as Bank of America, or the other larger banks that hold the leases on a smaller number of the aircraft than 4, if they need to. It's up to United.

"You don't kick your dad in the nuts, then ask for ice cream." RAH needs to make United happy.

 

[aewanabe]

To my SA brethren, again, welcome aboard. It's useless to get all worked up about the integration, since in the end the two ECs will hammer it out and we'll all have to swallow whatever comes our way. (The CHQ CBA does NOT require a vote). I'm sick of some of our (CHQ) spoiled junior FOs bitching about the inferior pilots at SA (the crap about you should have gotten hired here). Sorry kids, but who gets hired where is VERY random. I was interviewed at the Taco 3 weeks after a bud walked my resume in; a friend of mine with twice my experience didn't get called for a YEAR after I started walking his stuff in. Now he flies for x-jet. So should I say that x-jet pilots are inferior because he never got called to interview here? And those that think flying a Saab is cushy work should try it sometime (I have not done so, but I have ex-SA friends here as well as buds at Mesaba). BTW I am a relatively Junior 145 captain who won't see a 170 for at least 18 months because of the seatlock for new upgrades; DOH or a ratio merge would hurt me personally, but not that much with all the growth coming. (BTW my airplane is a dead airframe; we got the last 145s in December and BB has stated repeatedly he wants no more). It cracks be up when a 1500-hour wonder rides my 145 j/s and tells me he was "selected" for the 170 because of his superior experience. I wanted to laugh and/or puke. Kid, when I was hired I had 2100TT with 800ME, night freight experience, and I was in the bottom 3-4 of my class hours-wise. I guess my point is the animosity from some of my junior grasshoppers is really starting to piss me off. You can't do anything about it, the SA pilots have no control over it either; just welcome them aboard, STFU and go get laid or something.

 

[AutoCars Armed]

well said aewanabe