Seriously, what is the deal w/ Mesa?

[embraerdriver]

F*%^K MESA

 

[inthepool]

I've been considering applying at mesa for a while now, as I posted elsewhere. How often do you guys working there get denied the jumpseat for no better reason than you work for Mesa. Personally, I think the most ignorant, aloof, and ridiculous thing a pilot can do is deny another pilot the jumpseat because of where they work, but obviously, it happens. Is it tough to get to work if you commute and work for mesa? Just looking for an honest answer.

 

[Cosmo1999]

There was a post on this topic as far as being denied the jumpseat goes. I dont work for Mesa but most captains out there are pretty sensible about it. They will deny you the J/S if they have loading problems or a valid reason or if your a scab. Most captains are actually quite accomdating and while they may disagree with the practices or contracts of certain companies they dont see any good in denying a pilot whos just trying to get home or get to work. The jumpseat is not the place to play politics. If people start getting denied jumpseats because of where they work then it turns into a big free for all. Everyone needs everyone when it comes to jumpseating. I can see scabs being denied the J/S but I doubt Mesa employees get denied very often if at all. Most captains are good guys and they have the attitude that if someone has a valid ID and J/S agreement and there is not a weight restriction preventing it then the person rides. If mesa employees were denied the J/S because of where they work then mesa pilots might start denying people jumpseats because mesa people get denied etc. etc. Bottom line is that I wouldnt worry about it too much.

 

[Stinkbug]

Dude,

Do you want an airline job? Take the one that's offered. Forget about who's hatin' whom and who's contract's better, so on and so forth. Take the job you're offered and build experience, then later you can be more choosy about the job you want to stay at (who knows, it could be Mesa).

I worked for Mesa for four years, commuted half that time and was never, not once, denied a jumpseat. In addition, not one pilot ever had the intestinal fortitude to say something to my face about the company I worked for. And if they had, I would have told them to go piss up a rope. A person isn't defined by the ID he wears. So take all the anonymous internet bashing with a grain of salt. You can do a lot worse than Mesa, believe me. You'll upgrade very quickly and life in the left seat is better than in the right seat, no matter where you're at.

 

[erjman]

worked for Mesa for 7 years and counting. I have commuted on most all airlines and regionals at one time or another. I have never been denied the jumpseat for any reason other than weight. Nor would I ever deny the JS to another pilot unless he was a scab. I have many heated discussions with some of these pilots they have always been professional when it came to the seat. The bottom line is we are all pilots. Unless you are spineless freedumb scumb, or a scab, you have very little control over what your airline does day to day, especially with ALPA.

 

[the turtle]

never denied the jumpseat.

like someone else said, every airline has pros and cons...get your foot in the door with someone who will hire you, build your time, then leave.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Always hatin on Mesa Fly2Scuba!

Yea, there are better things to do with my time so I'll avoid the Mesa topics in the future, let someone else do the talking. Just one last thought on the issue. The primary problem over there of course are the extremely selfish Freedumb people; one level below scabs. Everyone else should have the opportunity to jumpseat.
Johnny Ornstein still = devilish ethical scum

 

[crj579]

Some Mesa pilots have had a problem with America West mainline in the jumpseat. However, unless the airplane is full you will be able to ride in the back on a pass. I witnessed a mainline AWA pilot deny his own flesh and blood brother a seat on a flight. Pretty sad when that happens!

As far as Freedom goes, no by-laws were broken and they got the 90-seats at Mesa which provided growth. Many are now ALPA members in good standing. I find it ironic that true scabs ( ones who actually crossed the picket lines) are not mentioned on here half as much as Freedom pilots. I doubt if any Freedom pilots would have crossed a picket line as I have spoken to quite a few about it. The Mesa MEC couldve added a side letter to the existing contract to allow the 90-seat jets to be flown under Mesa, but chose the confrontational approach. In the end, about 25 pilots scared them into a the contract that they ended up with. Sad!

For the most part on other carriers, commuting doesn't seem to be that bad. Unfortunatly, some Freedom pilots that went over with ALPA's blessing were just blanketly denied whether they were some of the first ones or not. Alpa brotherhood at its finest. Meanwhile, want to know how many have jumpseated on Freedom from other airlines. I sat next to a guy on FC on Freedom that bitched about it the entire way, then shook the pilots hand before leaving. Too Funny.

 

[Lance501]

Huh?

And I thought the whole deal with Mesa signing that POS contract was because they were trying to stop the whipsaw from their own pilot group trying to start a new airline. I guess I was way off........ wait a minute then why did they sign the first thing the compnay gave to them. Oh, I know, The turn over rate over there is so good that nobody on the MEC had ever been around for contract negotiations before.
Help me understand what you were talking about. If it could have been sealed up with an MOU then why not just do that?

Too many pilots, too few professionals.

 

[crj579]

Go figure why they didn't just have a side-letter. Everyone knew the 90-seaters were coming. Maybe the fact that they wanted rates more than their Mainline affiliate to fly them. They were coming and wouldve just sat on the ramp if there was no agreement. IMO, the bureaucratic process may have had something to do with it and USAirways perceived scope at the time.

 

[AirBill]

F*%^K MESA

Nice.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

Freedumb pilots might not be scads, but there just as low. Dont try and back paddle now to save yourA$$, we all have the list. I always carry some in flight bag just in case someone needs a copy.

 

[Mongolikecandy]

One thing that scares the cr@p out of me about Mesa... they have a person in training right now that has just over 250 hours and LESS THAN 15 HOURS MULTI!!!! And they're going to be in the right seat of a 70 or 90 seater. Nothing like having experience up front.

 

[cl65200]

"And I thought the whole deal with Mesa signing that POS contract was because they were trying to stop the whipsaw from their own pilot group trying to start a new airline. I guess I was way off........ wait a minute then why did they sign the first thing the compnay gave to them. "




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Our pilotgroup did not TRY to start up a new airline.
J.O & Co started, and had Freedom up and running 6-7 months before we voted on our contract.

 

[cl65200]

"As far as Freedom goes, no by-laws were broken and they got the 90-seats at Mesa which provided growth. Many are now ALPA members in good standing. I find it ironic that true scabs ( ones who actually crossed the picket lines) are not mentioned on here half as much as Freedom pilots. I doubt if any Freedom pilots would have crossed a picket line as I have spoken to quite a few about it. The Mesa MEC couldve added a side letter to the existing contract to allow the 90-seat jets to be flown under Mesa, but chose the confrontational approach. In the end, about 25 pilots scared them into a the contract that they ended up with. Sad! "

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Sure, the early Freedom pilots should not be called scabs.
I still consider them to be worse than scabs. At least a scab would scab trying to cling to his/her old job. The Freedom pilots jobs @ Mesa were 100% SECURE and we were not in strike!!!! All they had to do was to be patient and therefore force J.O to negotiate with our Neg Com.
So there was other reasons for them to go to Freedom, and we all knows why.......
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"The Mesa MEC couldve added a side letter to the existing contract to allow the 90-seat jets to be flown under Mesa, but chose the confrontational approach."
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That is what we call NEGOTIATION. .....That is also exactly they tried to do, and what I expect my Neg com to do so........






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" In the end, about 25 pilots scared them into a the contract that they ended up with. Sad! "



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We got our new TA do to the majority of our pilot group voted YES ( me included ) PERIOD. If anyone did put pressure on me, then I must say it was the early Freedom pilots........Anyway,nice to see ALL those jr Freedom pilots back in the right seat where they belong. Actually they belong to another place, but nobody asked me in that matter....