Sense for those who have ears to hear

[Herman Bloom]

Then how can you brand Franken as a journalist? Is he not also a "commentator"?

Just seems convenient. For you, I mean.

 

[Typhoon1244]

And Typhoon, if you have a link to what Ann wrote that you think is wrong, pleease post it.

I don't have a link to it, I just copied it from 100LL's post at the top of the thread. I think she's wrong about Richard Clarke's recommendation to President Clinton following the Cole attack, based on statements made by Clarke and other members of the Reagan/Bush/Clinton/Bush-era CSG.

 

[Timebuilder]

Ann Coulter has as much right to say what she says, and for that speech to be regarded as accurate and truthful speech as you, me, or any so-called "journalists" (a word which used to have a very specific meaning, before the dawn of crusading liberals in print and TV reporting) until that speech can be proven wrong. Even Al Franken needs no additional certification for his speech.

I attempted to separate Al Franken from the previous sentence that spoke about "journalists." In that "journalist" category I have people like Peter Jennings, the palestinian sympathizer, and Bill Moyers, the PBS propagandist.

Just seems convenient. For you, I mean.

Hopefully I have given you enough information that you can see that I am not seeking "convenience." Just a little more truth.

 

[Herman Bloom]

Bill Moyers??? You mean "The World of Ideas" Bill Moyers?

PBS propagandist. You really haven't lost that hippie flare, have you?

 

[Timebuilder]

On the contrary, my friend.

When I had "hippie flare" I agreed with everything Moyers said.

Heck, as a liberal, I thought we liberals were all smarter and better than everyone else, and PBS/NPR were the ultimate example of that elitist idea.

The "world of ideas" is a pretty small world when no one can reach your ivory tower.

 

[Herman Bloom]

I thought we liberals were all smarter and better than everyone else

How ironic.

 

[Timebuilder]

Indeed it was.

I now realize an ivy league education does not automatically make you right, and that conservative values are far closer to the basic ideas of freedom articulated by the founders of America. I was a socialist in theory, and had little respect for what America was supposed to be.

I used to look down my nose at some people, just like my old friends at NPR. If you were not a part of the Massachusettes elite, you were probably not progressive enough.

Thankfully, I have put all that behind me.

 

[Herman Bloom]

Your problem is that you assume that all "liberals" behave and believe as you once did. That, however, is certainly not the case. If fact, I would argue that most liberals want very little to do with that faction.

 

[Timebuilder]

"All liberals?"

No.

The ones who are most active, and steer the movement, defining values and attitudes?

Absolutely.

 

[100LL... Again!]

When you refer to me as 'loony', I must say that it only assures me that I am on the right track.

If you began agreeing with me, that's when I would begin to question my viewpoint.

Those who know the truth will always have to weather attacks from those who would rather invent the 'truth'.

 

[Typhoon1244]

When you refer to me as 'loony', I must say that it only assures me that I am on the right track.

You are indeed on the right track. If your goal is a shattered economy, and a dead ecosphere, and an isolated America, then you're exactly on target. Drive on.

 

[Timebuilder]

(shakes head, smiling...)

 

[Typhoon1244]

(shakes head, smiling...)

(I saw that...)

 

[Pilot124]

All the Liberals are right. Lets just sit back and do nothing. He!! if we had done that before with Europe we would be speaking German. Just think how fun it would be to speak Deutch!! So lets sick back and watch it unfold. GWB is the only one that has the BALL$ to stand up! Image on Sept 11 if Gore was President! Now that is just plain scary. WAY TO GO GWB.

 

[Herman Bloom]

! Image on Sept 11 if Gore was President! Now that is just plain scary.

You are the smartest man alive.

Yeah, I suppose those buildings would've come down harder and faster if Gore had been president. Statistically, a majority of those people who died that day voted for Gore in November. All things being equal, that is. Please think about that before you disgrace their memory.

I'll bet you are very smart.

 

[TonyC]

Statistically, a majority of those people who died that day voted for Gore in November.

I'd like to see how you came up with that statistic. No use even dealing with the preposterous statement that followed unless you can substantiate the "statistic."

 

[KigAir]

Reading this thread is making me hungry for some BBQ.

 

[Timebuilder]

You are the smartest man alive.

Yeah, I suppose those buildings would've come down harder and faster if Gore had been president. Statistically, a majority of those people who died that day voted for Gore in November. All things being equal, that is. Please think about that before you disgrace their memory.

I'll bet you are very smart.

Perhaps he is making reference to what would have been done or not done were Al elected.

And I too would like to have a look at that statistic, since the media always paints business as being a republican animal, and generally, "bad" people. You know, those constant references to Enron, Tyco, etc? I have no doubt there would be democrats, but a majority?

I wonder if such a database of employee political affiliation exists. Sounds illegal.

 

[Herman Bloom]

Point is very simple: A majority of voters cast their votes for Al Gore in 2000. Now before you get em all up in a bunch, let me just say that I'm NOT implying that Gore is the rightful president of the US...W won, fair and square. But the fact remains: most Americans voted for Gore. One of only (two?) times in the history of our country that this has happened.

I mean really, who isn't sick of hearing that "thank God Gore wasn't president" mess? It's not smart.

 

[Timebuilder]

I think the reason you hear that is because of the adversarial relationship that many democrats have developed with the military, the issue of American sovereignty, and intelligence gathering community. To many people, we have the right man in place, out of the choices that were available.

Now statistically, NYC was a cluster area of Gore support. It may not be true, however, that former Gore supporters were the majority of those killed on 9-11. All I'm saying is that such an idea is a stretch for me.