Senority System

[BE200Driver]

Where is the incentive to perform? It also would be nice to open up other jobs to pilots like: crew scheduling or dispatch. In the military pilots preform a variety of jobs besides fly. It gets old sitting in the tube day after day. The current system is antiquated. If we aren't going to enjoy huge pay and days off then they should rearrange the system to allow for more job satisfaction.

Skyline

Anything else you want?

 

[Ralgha]

You guys haven't even tried to think of a way that a non-longevity based senority system could work, you just shoot it down immediately, just like any other proposed change that doesn't exist at another airline perceived to be "better". No wonder this industry is going down the toilet.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

You guys haven't even tried to think of a way that a non-longevity based senority system could work, you just shoot it down immediately, just like any other proposed change that doesn't exist at another airline perceived to be "better". No wonder this industry is going down the toilet.

So far neither have you.

All I have seen to this point is a few guys that spent a huge sum of money and trained for a career that clearly had no idea what it was really like. Now that they have taken a 20k a year job, are looking for some way to skip right to the big money and 20 days off.

What are we to do, grade every ILS approach and promote the guy that keeps it the closest to dead center? How about upgrading the guy that never calls in sick? What about giving it to the guy that always flies with open maint. descrepencies? How about the guy that is willing to fly 10 hours and log 8?

I guess we could start you out at 120k a year and reduce it every year after that by 10k? That would sure help in the upgrade. If a guy stays past year 12 he is working for free.

What exactly would you do to ensure that the highest experience stays in the command chair while still allowing the new guys with no experience to be Captain? How are you going to adress the favortism that will develop? How are you going to ensure that the checkrides are fair? How are you going to make sure that 500 airplanes fly their schedule everyday yet still give everyone their choice of days off?

It sounds real nice, but not one of you have come up with anything even remotely close to making it workable.

"Riding the tube gets old" WHY THE FLOCK DID YOU BECOME PROFESSIONAL PILOTS???????? Just what did you think being hired as a pilot meant????? Good grief crowd!!!! Even porn stars get tired of "Riding the tube".

 

[Skyline]

Bore chamber

Seniority,

Man does it ever get old sitting in that bore tube where time and space comes to a stand still. You can actually feel yourself getting older by the second as the life force slips from you grain by grain. I only had to deal with 6 hour flights some of those long haul guys have to suffer 12 and 14 hour sentences, YUK !

I don't think my plan would really be that difficult. Training would be the same as it is now. Everyone should be typed anyway it isn't all that much extra. Besides it would be a ggod idea to get some experience outside of the flight deck so you will have a chance at employment after your company goes under.

Skyline

 

[Ralgha]

So far neither have you.

All I have seen to this point is a few guys that spent a huge sum of money and trained for a career that clearly had no idea what it was really like. Now that they have taken a 20k a year job, are looking for some way to skip right to the big money and 20 days off.

I didn't spend a huge sum of money, and I had a very good idea of what it was like. I've seen nothing contrary to my expectations so far, and I'm not looking for any way to skip to the "big money". If you would read, you would have noticed that I would not benefit from the way I would put such a plan into action.

What are we to do, grade every ILS approach and promote the guy that keeps it the closest to dead center? How about upgrading the guy that never calls in sick? What about giving it to the guy that always flies with open maint. descrepencies? How about the guy that is willing to fly 10 hours and log 8?

I guess we could start you out at 120k a year and reduce it every year after that by 10k? That would sure help in the upgrade. If a guy stays past year 12 he is working for free.

What exactly would you do to ensure that the highest experience stays in the command chair while still allowing the new guys with no experience to be Captain? How are you going to adress the favortism that will develop? How are you going to ensure that the checkrides are fair? How are you going to make sure that 500 airplanes fly their schedule everyday yet still give everyone their choice of days off?

I don't know how to do it, again, if you could read, you would notice that I did not propose any method of making it work. The theory, like communisim, is great. The implementation is not so easy, but nothing good is.

It sounds real nice, but not one of you have come up with anything even remotely close to making it workable.

Like you have? You've done even less than we have. The eternal pessimist that would never enact change.

To really find a way to make it would would require much time and effort by a group of people. We can't have effort though now can we, that would be too much to ask for.

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

Seniority,

Man does it ever get old sitting in that bore tube where time and space comes to a stand still. You can actually feel yourself getting older by the second as the life force slips from you grain by grain. I only had to deal with 6 hour flights some of those long haul guys have to suffer 12 and 14 hour sentences, YUK !

I don't think my plan would really be that difficult. Training would be the same as it is now. Everyone should be typed anyway it isn't all that much extra. Besides it would be a ggod idea to get some experience outside of the flight deck so you will have a chance at employment after your company goes under.

Skyline

Earning a living is boring. Wow, did you just figure that one out?

You are right though, you are most definately in the wrong business. Maybe crop dusting? Professional aerobatic pilot? Stunt pilot for the movies?

 

[KeroseneSnorter]

To really find a way to make it would would require much time and effort by a group of people. We can't have effort though now can we, that would be too much to ask for.

Let us know when you figure out a plan. PM me with the web site that posts the details of the plan. Then we can have a question and answer portion to fugure out the way to implement it. We need to include every facet of the airline operation too. Need to find out how the changes would affect the maint. schedules, crew scheduling, load planning, training department etc. We would have to include all the different personnel from the various departments and get their view on the positives or negative of the plan and how it would affect their ability to do the job. I specialize in flying the things, I would need to get their opinions on the parts that I do not have first hand knowledge of.

 

[Spooky 1]

Incoming

Hey Skyline, whatya think of the age 60 rule? I want to see you really tip over this time.

 

[Skyline]

Ks

KS

Hey I don't know what you do but if you can sit there in the blackness of space during the arm pit of the night and stare at a dark panel for six hours and not get bored then you must be some kind of Einstein. Most guys are able to sleep through it. I just can't sleep in the flight deck it is kind of a defect I guess.

Skyline

 

[Skyline]

Thank God for age 60 Rule

Hey Skyline, whatya think of the age 60 rule? I want to see you really tip over this time.

I say thank God for the age 60 rule !!! If it wasn't for that none of us would have a chance. By the time they are 60 most airline pilots have lost all their friends, family, hobbies and now money. They have a death grip on the chair and the rule is the only thing that separates them from it. Their personalities have become so twisted that the only people who will talk to them anymore is the crew since they are hostages. Without the rule those guys would be there until they croaked at 70 or 80. Besides the total halt of career advancement for the rest of us what that fun would that would be to have to frequently poke the capt with a stick on approach to check for signs of life?

I say "Thank GOD for the age 60 rule". Long live the age 60 rule !!

Was that tippage enough?

Skyline