Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

Seniority and DOH for CAL EQUIPMENT SYSTEM BID

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web

CAL EWR B737

Well-known member
Joined
Sep 10, 2005
Posts
652
The following is based on the latest CAL equipment system bid that is effective next August. This means that theoretically this is how our airline will be staffed on August 1, 2008. This is based on a snap shot of the bid (if the bid would have closed today) although the bid doesn't actually close until August 7. However based on previous bids there will be only minor changes to these numbers.

I have listed each equipment, base and status based on what seniority would hold at the 25th percentile, 50th percentile, 75th percentile and the bottom bidder in terms of system seniority number and date of hire at Continental. Due to the very complicated seniority list mergers between Continental and Texas International, New York Air, People Express, Frontier and an extremely complicated flow through agreement with Continental Express (ended prior to current hiring spree from 6/05 to present) I have attempted to convert (if possible) to a CAL date of hire or used the other former merged airline date of hire with a note.

The following was very time consuming and difficult to do via a bid graph with many interpolations so mistakes are possible. However for the FO positions especially those hired after 6/05 are very accurate.


CAPTAIN

IAH 777
25% #70 DOH 10/77
50% #190 DOH 10/78
75% # 359 DOH 11/83
100% #429 DOH 12/83

NYC 777
25% #240 DOH 4/79
50% #492 DOH 12/83
75% #752 DOH 5/84
100% #1270 DOH 3/86 New York Air

IAH 757/767
25% #359 DOH 11/83
50% #675 DOH 4/84
75% #1190 DOH 5/84 People Express
100% #1752 DOH 6/87

NYC 757/767
25% #611 DOH 2/84
50% #1340 DOH 1/86
75% #1965 DOH 12/87
100% 3206 DOH 8/98

IAH B737
25% #1037 DOH 6/85
50% #1801 DOH 7/87
75% #2550 DOH 8/90 CALEXP
100% #3523 DOH 9/00

GUM 737
25% #630 DOH 3/84
50% #1479 DOH 7/86 People Express
75% #1980 DOH 1/88
100% #2865 DOH 1/98

CLE 737
25% 1100 10/85 New York Air
50% 1520 3/87
75% 2129 3/87
100% 3108 6/98

EWR B737
25% 1450 6/86 People Express
50% 2450 1/90 CALEXP
75% 3225 8/98
100% 3947 8/30/2005

FIRST OFFICER

IAH 777
25% 800 7/83 People Express
50% 1700 6/87
75% 2450 1/90 CALEXP
100% 3044 4/98

EWR 777
25% 2293 6/90
50% 2950 2/98
75% 3600 3/01
100% 4719 2/07

IAH 757/767
25% 2390 9/89 CALEXP
50% 3250 9/98
75% 4002 9/05
100% To Be Hired

NYC 757/767
25% 3225 8/98
50% 4170 1/06
75% 4800 3/07
100% To Be Hired

IAH 737
25% 3536 1/01
50% 4315 3/06
75% 4750 2/07
100% To Be Hired

NYC 737
25% 4002 9/05
50% 4737 2/07
75% To Be Hired
100% To Be Hired

CLE 737
25% 3250 9/98
50% 3729 4/05
75% 4480 10/06
100% To Be Hired

GUM 737
25% 3225 8/98
50% 3900 7/05
75% 4526 11/06
100% To Be Hired
 
Is CLE nothing but a 737 base now?
 
In the late 80's we made a great deal with UAL, we gave them our IAD base and they gave us CLE. One of the numerous incompetent strategic decisions Lorenzo made.

CLE has never been more than a DC-9, 737-100/200 and 737-300/500/700/800/900 base. In the late 90's the DC-9's and 737-100's/200's went bye bye.
 
Last edited:
thanks for crunching the numbers CAL EWR 737. maybe i will take a shot at that very title next year. never thought it could happen so quickly.

looking forward to all of the opportunity ahead.
 
thanks for crunching the numbers CAL EWR 737. maybe i will take a shot at that very title next year. never thought it could happen so quickly.

looking forward to all of the opportunity ahead.


Glad to do it. It is very encouraging to see all the movement. Hope you get what you want on this and subsequent bids.

No doubt we have to make major improvements to our contract. That being said I can remember many bids over the years that had zero vacancies or just reductions. In fact I remember being so frustrated that I couldn't get awarded an IAH FO position on any equipment even though there were FO's junior to me in every piece of equipment in IAH but because I wasn't displaced and there were no vacancies on the bids I was unable to be awarded an IAH FO position.

So all the movement is very nice to see. Remember if we negotiate a contract with a good staffing formula, duty rigs, trip rigs and a PBS section with some descent language we would have to hire over 1000 pilots without adding one airframe or any pilot retirements.
 
Last edited:
So all the movement is very nice to see. Remember if we negotiate a contract with a good staffing formula, duty rigs, trip rigs and a PBS section with some descent language we would have to hire over 1000 pilots without adding one airframe or any pilot retirements.

Add to that a decent Filling of Vacancies section.
 
Now if we could just get the age 60+ people off the seniority list.

They have no business being there.
 

Latest resources

Back
Top