Senior People Hoping for Furlough

[SpauldingSmails]

Exactly, and where to find a happy medium.

I always believe the medium is where no one is happy.

... and if you're a senior pilot and you can't make ends meet on your 75 hour guarantee, you've bitten off more than you can chew financially.

 

[SuperKooter]

Recently I ran into some people hoping that ASA furloughs so their credit hours will be back to normal. (ASA has reduced overall line values to minimize the costs of keeping people on.)

Is it just me, or does that seem selfish?

Yeah and so what? This isn't socialism, some people need to get cut so that those with more seniority can pay their bills. Sorry but thats the way it works

 

[Texx]

Yeah and so what? This isn't socialism, some people need to get cut so that those with more seniority can pay their bills. Sorry but thats the way it works

He's Back!

 

[SiuDude]

He's Back!

Ugh, why did you have to quote him?

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[USCtrojan]

Personally, I'd be in favor of a paycut to keep everyone on the property. But that's just me. As far as furloughing goes, I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, everyone is familiar with the seniority system how it works and you subscribe to it the day you start your first day of Ground School.

Trojan

 

[WalterSobchak]

Yeah and so what? This isn't socialism, some people need to get cut so that those with more seniority can pay their bills. Sorry but thats the way it works

[sarcasm] Tell me about it...I'm sick of these junior dispatchers eating up hours that were previously my overtime. We should totally get rid of some...screw the fact they have families to feed and mortgage payments to make. I don't care if they find themselves on the street in the midst of one of the worst job markets in history or find themselves in financial ruin as long as I get mine...that's all that matters. [/sarcasm]

Jesus H. Tapdancing Christ, seriously...this is really not helping the reputation airline pilots have as, pound for pound, the whiniest group of working professionals in any industry.

You're right...it isn't socialism...but, like Spaulding said above, if you're a senior guy and can't live on your guarantee, you've got bigger problems than worrying about how many below you need to have their source of income cut off completely so you can supplement your personal lifestyle. We're all hurting right now...every position, almost every carrier. That said, there's no way in Hell I could ever muster enough gall to wish a furlough on my brothers and sisters in our OCC (or any OCC for that matter) just so I can have the few extra hours I was accustomed to having last year. I've adjusted my lifestyle...which was pretty easy because I based my finances on a 40-hour work week. Anything else was just great savings/spending money. You can't work in this business and make financial decisions based on 100 hours of flying every month, just like I can't base mine on having overtime pay on every check.

It makes me sick to read crap like this...and, frankly, I wish a swift kick to the crotch and a UFIA for anyone who truly believes this should be the case. Either that, or DIA-non-aircraft related-F...I seriously doubt you'd be missed.

 

[Metro752]

While I do not agree with that persons position, is it any different than a junior pilot wishing that the senior pilots would leave/retire?

Oh, and I forgot, USC Trojan is a BOZO! HA

Let's think about that for a second.


One is voluntary, and one isn't?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

For what it's worth, if block hours do decrease even more, I would support an average line value of 75 hours in order to keep guys off the street. Of course, below that number and furloughs would probably be necessary, as it doesn't make any fiscal sense to pay pilots for not working. Let's hope it never comes to that.

Haven't be average line values already been moved below 75 hours? I'm not sure, but I thought it was around 65.

That last paragraph in the ALPA email last night concerned me. Is something coming down the pike that they know, but aren't telling...?

 

[ASA_Aviator]

Let me guess. It was a 70 Capt. that talks funny, at one time used a cane, and tells the FA's he'd replace them with a coke machine if he could.

Haha, no. But it wouldn't surprise me to hear him say it.

I'm not at liberty to say who it was, but I've heard it at least twice from two different people. Neither were captains, interestingly enough. (When I said senior, I just meant safe from furlough.)

 

[damnflyboy]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a second job. There's an open position at the Oscar Meyer Hotdog Zone on Concourse C. I have all of the credentials:

1) I can steam a hotdog
2) I hate people
3) I can't speak English
4) I never do my job
5) I am unsanitary

I've also applied to several airlines as a Singing Furlough-Telegram. What should my costume be? I was leaning towards a middle finger, but creativity has never been my strong point.

 

[USCtrojan]

While I do not agree with that persons position, is it any different than a junior pilot wishing that the senior pilots would leave/retire?

Oh, and I forgot, USC Trojan is a BOZO! HA

El Diablo is harsh!

Trojan

 

[CopilotDoug]

I don't even know why everyone is getting bent out of shape.

The Messiah is rising on January 20th and will spray the world with a liquid panacea of the likes nobody has ever seen.

The beer will flow like wine.

Beautiful women will instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano.

I'm talking about a little place called THE REGIONALS.


And, besides...Who needs a job when we can steal the wealth from others and live in a society with absolutely no personal accountability?

Call me when this happens. I'll be at the bar, puttin' out the vibe.

 

[COOPERVANE]

Call me when this happens. I'll be at the bar, puttin' out the vibe.

Tell her I have a rapist's wit

 

[701EV]

Any good news about Comair going under. I hope those wrong runway scumbags are happy about their RJDC ideas! I hope you guys at ASA are ok! I would hate to see A ONE OF YOU get furloughed. I am sure you will be allright!

acarpe,

YOU ARE AN ASSH%LE!

701EV

 

[blesko]

Recently I ran into some people hoping that ASA furloughs so their credit hours will be back to normal. (ASA has reduced overall line values to minimize the costs of keeping people on.)

Is it just me, or does that seem selfish?

Heard it last week from a VERY senior capt I was flying with

 

[crj567]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm getting a second job. There's an open position at the Oscar Meyer Hotdog Zone on Concourse C. I have all of the credentials:

1) I can steam a hotdog
2) I hate people
3) I can't speak English
4) I never do my job
5) I am unsanitary

I've also applied to several airlines as a Singing Furlough-Telegram. What should my costume be? I was leaning towards a middle finger, but creativity has never been my strong point.

I really like your style!

Anyone who has ever dined at pretty much any of the fine eating establishments in ATL will sure enough appreciate the humor here.... The best humor comes really close to the truth-and in ATL, this is painfully close!

I would probably just dress up like Gen Lee. That guy is a walking empennage of a horse-you could just make some fun poop sounds and maybe they would promote you to lower mgmt.-just like the they did that moron!

 

[sweptback]

I am sure that if the company decides to furlough then they know bad things are on the horizon for us and most likely our block hours will not increase much in the summer. Otherwise, like others have said, they probably should have furloughed months ago.

So, if they do drop the F-bomb, there probably won't be many high-time lines to be had.

 

[Noise]

Let me guess. It was a 70 Capt. that talks funny, at one time used a cane, and tells the FA's he'd replace them with a coke machine if he could.

LOL, you would think. But I have heard this also, but from a 70 FO, around the 3yr. mark in seniority. Absolute BS to be talking like that. I am all for keeping the values down for the time being so we can keep everyone on, and most of the guys that I have talked to feel the same.

 

[BWatz]

So let me get this straight.. People actually would rather have some fellow ASA guys out on the street just so they can credit an extra 10 hours a month.. Someone should kindly slap them... Once again, I have to ask.. WTF are these guys thinking?

 

[CaribPilot]

So let me get this straight.. People actually would rather have some fellow ASA guys out on the street just so they can credit an extra 10 hours a month.. Someone should kindly slap them... Once again, I have to ask.. WTF are these guys thinking?

These are the guys who went through multiple ugly divorces, have 2 houses, & alimony payments. Of course they will need the extra money to support a drinking habit that for a couple hours at a time quiets their hate of living.

 

[hmmurdock]

Personally, I'd be in favor of a paycut to keep everyone on the property. But that's just me. As far as furloughing goes, I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, everyone is familiar with the seniority system how it works and you subscribe to it the day you start your first day of Ground School.

Trojan

How much of a paycut, and will you let management decide how much is enough. That was a very dangerous statement. How much, 5,7, 10 dollars anhour. Who is to decide what is enough.

 

[USCtrojan]

How much of a paycut, and will you let management decide how much is enough. That was a very dangerous statement. How much, 5,7, 10 dollars anhour. Who is to decide what is enough.

I'm not surprised you would write this at all. Dangerous? It's my personal opinion, and I have one vote. There's over 1700 pilots on the seniority list, I'd like to keep it that way. Depending on the details, I PERSONALLY--as in NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE, would be in favor of taking a paycut to keep everyone on the list. And the pilot group would decide if it was appropriate or not. That's what being involved in a Union is. I don't decide anything on my own, except what's right FOR ME. As far as contractual issues, it takes 50.1% of a vote to change things. You can count ME as a part of the 50.1% willing to take a paycut to carry all of our pilots. As in I care about keeping everyone on our seniority list employed if it means making a small sacrifice. It isn't dangerous to me.

Trojan

 

[Richard Gozinya]

I'm not surprised you would write this at all. Dangerous? It's my personal opinion, and I have one vote. There's over 1700 pilots on the seniority list, I'd like to keep it that way. Depending on the details, I PERSONALLY--as in NOT SPEAKING FOR ANYBODY ELSE, would be in favor of taking a paycut to keep everyone on the list. And the pilot group would decide if it was appropriate or not. That's what being involved in a Union is. I don't decide anything on my own, except what's right FOR ME. As far as contractual issues, it takes 50.1% of a vote to change things. You can count ME as a part of the 50.1% willing to take a paycut to carry all of our pilots. As in I care about keeping everyone on our seniority list employed if it means making a small sacrifice. It isn't dangerous to me.

Trojan

this is exactly the approach that was taken after 9/11. The monthly block hours were scaled back to "wait and see how the dust settled". The senior guys were on board with keeping everyone on property.

Dick

 

[AC560]

Once again, I have to ask.. WTF are these guys thinking?

That unions are predicated only by seniority and that to the elder goes the spoils? You should feel good. Most union environments I have seen the junior guys spend 90% of their time figuring out how to get anyone more senior then them fired so they can move up.

Unions quite possibly are the greatest tool ever created to assist a management team to grinding a workforce into the ground. Tell that to a union man though and he will spend 24x7 trying to organize even more. What a country....

 

[relief tube]

how much lower has both ASA and SKY guarantees gone?

 

[bigshooter107]

Tell her I have a rapist's wit

Ouch!

 

[Goose Egg]

how much lower has both ASA and SKY guarantees gone?

Can't speak for ASA, but SKW's guarantee hasn't changed at all. The people complaining are the ones that based their whole personal budget on 100 hours of flying each month, but are now forced to get by on 80. Poor babies.

-Goose

 

[FlySacto]

Can't speak for ASA, but SKW's guarantee hasn't changed at all. The people complaining are the ones that based their whole personal budget on 100 hours of flying each month, but are now forced to get by on 80. Poor babies.

-Goose

It would be nice if they would let us bid for the 63.5 credit instead of trying to build a line at 80hrs to drop later. I'm too f'ing lazy to work and it would open up flying for the guys who need it. I'm sitting fine in Hennessy from my rap star royalties.

 

[Goose Egg]

It would be nice if they would let us bid for the 63.5 credit instead of trying to build a line at 80hrs to drop later. I'm too f'ing lazy to work and it would open up flying for the guys who need it. I'm sitting fine in Hennessy from my rap star royalties.

LOL! I can't wait until I can afford to do that!

-Goose

 

[flyboyike]

We got that message from our own union at Comair. Keeping the min line value low (and I quote) "Would ONLY save 50-60 jobs."

In other words, 60 people aren't worth making 76 hours a month compared to 80ish.

Which begs the question of just how many jobs would be worth it. 150? 200? 300?