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Recently I ran into some people hoping that ASA furloughs so their credit hours will be back to normal. (ASA has reduced overall line values to minimize the costs of keeping people on.)

Is it just me, or does that seem selfish?
 

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Someone said that out loud?
 

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I hate to hear that
 

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Yep.
Yep very selfish.....I heard a guy say that at skywest too...I did say..."hey, thats pretty selfish".....needless to say...he was kinda a dweeb.
 

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Yeah selfish indeed - but the last time I knew it was a dog eat dog world (unfortunately). All this "we're brothers in arms" crap is nonsense (again unfortunately). All this brother together under a union (aka ALPA) is also bull (unfortunately). Nobody will feed your family if you don't work - so do what you can and make ends meet. Frankly nobody gives a toss if you're out of work or in work. Nobody. ALPA won't remember you for a second, they won't put food on your table...... neither will senior captains (or any other pilot for that matter). Being a realist - each one for themselves. Everyone knows it (so no sugar coating the truth please). Yes we'd al like to think and say "it's a nasty thing to say" but being honest - nobody gives a toss if you're in work today or not (unfortunately as harsh as it sounds). REALITY CHECK!
 

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Did you remember to take the pills? There is unity, you're looking at the wrong place, like the regional industry. That will always be a dog eat dog, that's the principle of a regional airline. Do you honestly think ALPA should give two ********************s about a TSA or Mesa pilot vs a 10-20 year pilot at Fedex? NO!
 

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Yep very selfish.....I heard a guy say that at skywest too...I did say..."hey, thats pretty selfish".....needless to say...he was kinda a dweeb.
Funny thing, at SkyWest...it was the JR guys who didnt want a union screwing up their upgrade (so they can move on to another job with Union representation), while many of the SR guys who plan on staying at SkyWest thought a Union would give them a better position to bargain with for the rest of their careers.
 

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Recently I ran into some people hoping that ASA furloughs so their credit hours will be back to normal. (ASA has reduced overall line values to minimize the costs of keeping people on.)

Is it just me, or does that seem selfish?
Two things.

1) I've never heard anybody say that, but I am sure somebody out of our 1700 pilots would say that.

2) That dip********************'s opinion doesn't sway what ASA Mgmt decides.
 

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We got that message from our own union at Comair. Keeping the min line value low (and I quote) "Would ONLY save 50-60 jobs."

In other words, 60 people aren't worth making 76 hours a month compared to 80ish.
 

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The same sentiments have been shared by senior FDX captains...
 

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No OT.
 

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I've also heard junior folks say it is the senior folks that cost more so they should go....

I've also heard young guys say that age 65 was wrong because it hurt THEIR careers....with no concern for the 60 year old guy on his 8th airline and no pension....

It spins both ways.....The fact is.....after you look passed all the Cumbaya ALPA brotherhood rhetoric....everyone looks out for number 1...

An ALPA cheerleader will follow this post and tell me how I'm wrong and we are all in this together....Believe in Herndon.....Wear your pin....BLAH BLAH BLAH...

We see this over and over....and everytime human nature surprises some people.....
 

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Recently I ran into some people hoping that ASA furloughs so their credit hours will be back to normal. (ASA has reduced overall line values to minimize the costs of keeping people on.)
Let me guess. It was a 70 Capt. that talks funny, at one time used a cane, and tells the FA's he'd replace them with a coke machine if he could.
 

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Recently I ran into some people hoping that ASA furloughs so their credit hours will be back to normal. (ASA has reduced overall line values to minimize the costs of keeping people on.)

Is it just me, or does that seem selfish?
While I do not agree with that persons position, is it any different than a junior pilot wishing that the senior pilots would leave/retire?

Oh, and I forgot, USC Trojan is a BOZO! HA
 
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Both are wrong, simple as that.

-Brett
 

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Let's face it:

Many of these people are not that smart.... I flew with a guy back in the day-MH-who is now a very senior 70 capt.

This guy was a special type of retarded-he constantly yelled about everything I did-was mean to anyone and everyone he came in contact with, and generally was just a world-class ass. Numerous examples of just plain idiocy.

One thing that stuck in my mind came out of this fool's mouth, and it was so retarded I wish I never heard it.

This was back around 2000, and the DAL pilots were coming down to the wire on the prospect of a strike. I was posing the question of why he thought we would continue flying right through their strike, His reply was:

"we make so much money, we would keep Delta going-mainline doesn't need their planes to fly-they could park 'em all, and we would still keep making a billion a year......"

Now that little statement crawled in my head, and rattled around. The level of sheer retardation for someone to come up with that is simply incredible. I can't un-hear a statement like that, but I can wish I never met anyone with the same levels of mean and stupid as MH. He would definitely be a candidate for saying something that foolish.

-What a fool-almost of the Gen. Lee caliber.....
 

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Both are wrong, simple as that.

-Brett
It's only wrong if the other person really cares about what happens to me.....If they don't really care about me than I don't care about them....If they care about me than I care about them.....Not so simple.....

"Brotherhood" has to be more than a pin, a sticker on a flight bag, and a magazine......

Whether you think it is "right" or "wrong"....it is prudent to assume that nobody is looking out for YOU....other than YOU.....

It's not the best way for us to conduct ourselves....but it is reality....
 

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Interesting aurgument. I don't have a dog in this fight, but there is an aurgument.

Lets take a look at the extreme of the aurgument and then judge how much is enough.

For the sake of aurgument lets say you guys are only paid for what you fly and no monthly garantee. (could happen in bankrupcy) Then they cut flying so much that everybody on property only flys one day trip a month worth 3 hours....so everybody on property only gets paid 3 hours a month.

What is worth more. Keeping everybody on property but everybody is only making a couple of bucks. Or furloghing so the rest of the guys on property can make money to support whatever they need to support.

I am not saying at this time furlogh, but there does come a time, and it is different for everybody when you must sacrafice some for the good of the whole.
 

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Interesting aurgument. I don't have a dog in this fight, but there is an aurgument.

Lets take a look at the extreme of the aurgument and then judge how much is enough.

For the sake of aurgument lets say you guys are only paid for what you fly and no monthly garantee. (could happen in bankrupcy) Then they cut flying so much that everybody on property only flys one day trip a month worth 3 hours....so everybody on property only gets paid 3 hours a month.

What is worth more. Keeping everybody on property but everybody is only making a couple of bucks. Or furloghing so the rest of the guys on property can make money to support whatever they need to support.

I am not saying at this time furlogh, but there does come a time, and it is different for everybody when you must sacrafice some for the good of the whole.
Kinda like the socialism vs. capitalism argument...
 
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