Microclimates
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Colgan and PCL were lack of experience....Let's deal with the root cause....Lack of experience has been well known to many of us....[/QUOTE]
No I'm sorry but I completely disagree with that statement. Colgan and PCL were poor (very poor) airmanship. In the PCL case it was compounded by immature personalities, hazardous attitudes, and finally poor knowledge of aerodynamics and high altitude effects. In the Colgan case, it was compounded by poor skills, lack of situational awareness in obviously not assessing the airplane's situation as a stall.
One could argue that a private pilot, fresh out of flight school, might have actually performed better in the stall recovery, since they've practiced stalls on almost every single flight they've had to that point.
So maybe if they'd had more experience they would have had a little more respect for on approach at night in imc with ice, and concentrated just a tiny bit. but beyond that i think that in both scenarios, experience was irrelevant.
If you think about it, unless you've cfi'd, the last time you were REQUIRED to demonstrate recovery from a full stall was your PPL. Is that absurd or what.
In fact, I personally have a beef with how the training test standards in the professional environment state as objective 'minimum loss of altitude'. Coupled with requiring only impending stalls, this makes the recovery sequence in the sim very similar to what Colgan capt was doing. I can still hear the voice of x many sim instructors lecturing "lock the pitch and add the thrust-- she'll fly out of it". well not if she is in a 'real' stall, she won't...
No I'm sorry but I completely disagree with that statement. Colgan and PCL were poor (very poor) airmanship. In the PCL case it was compounded by immature personalities, hazardous attitudes, and finally poor knowledge of aerodynamics and high altitude effects. In the Colgan case, it was compounded by poor skills, lack of situational awareness in obviously not assessing the airplane's situation as a stall.
One could argue that a private pilot, fresh out of flight school, might have actually performed better in the stall recovery, since they've practiced stalls on almost every single flight they've had to that point.
So maybe if they'd had more experience they would have had a little more respect for on approach at night in imc with ice, and concentrated just a tiny bit. but beyond that i think that in both scenarios, experience was irrelevant.
If you think about it, unless you've cfi'd, the last time you were REQUIRED to demonstrate recovery from a full stall was your PPL. Is that absurd or what.
In fact, I personally have a beef with how the training test standards in the professional environment state as objective 'minimum loss of altitude'. Coupled with requiring only impending stalls, this makes the recovery sequence in the sim very similar to what Colgan capt was doing. I can still hear the voice of x many sim instructors lecturing "lock the pitch and add the thrust-- she'll fly out of it". well not if she is in a 'real' stall, she won't...
