SeaWorld, Southwest Airlines Ending Partnership

[waveflyer]

I don't disagree with what you said at all.

 

[J.Otto]

If you're a vegetarian, and concerned about the animals as well, stop eating their food....enough said

Hey bro... haven't you heard of farms that grow vegetables for human consumption? It's a sustainable way to feed us without disturbing the food chain.

Vegetarian?!?! My diet consists of so few fruits and vegetables, I spend an inordinate amount of time grunting out everything else I eat twice a day. :blush:

Thank god for Preparation H! :laugh:

 

[Luv2BFlyin]

Game
Set
Match

You guys got me, call names and make absurd generalities saying that right wingers ignore science on every issue.

 

[PCL_128]

PCL

Are you a vegetarian?

Of course not. Humans are omnivores. Fighting that nature is unhealthy. But there is a difference between killing humanely for survival and torturing animals. Seaworld does the latter.

 

[PCL_128]

Doesn't popular culture influence human behavior, PCL?

This surely is captivity and turning a mammal into circus act- but do you think sea world has influenced our culture to be more sensitive to whales?

Eh, I'm not at all confident in that. I suppose it's possible, but if so, that effect has long since taken place, and there's no longer any justification for torturing these animals. The remaining ones in captivity should live out their lives there as peacefully as possible, breeding them should cease immediately, and then it should come to a complete stop.

 

[waveflyer]

That's my conclusion-

Sea world served it's purpose, but now has to evolve into something better than stupid whale tricks or ... Cease to exist

 

[tankerhead]

A family can spend a pretty nice day at Sea World and never even visit the Orca enclosure.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

There is a difference between a domesticated species and a wild species. And yes, there is a pattern. The pattern is right wingers ignoring science on every issue.

Well played PCL...+1

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

You guys got me, call names and make absurd generalities saying that right wingers ignore science on every issue.

So show us your cards.....prove your statements

 

[krewmeel]

I think Seaworld should contract with JAL. I hear the Japanese really hate dolphins and whales...

 

[Russ]

A family can spend a pretty nice day at Sea World and never even visit the Orca enclosure.

After the whales are gone, what animal will be next on the list to free?

Sea world served it's purpose, but now has to evolve into something better than stupid whale tricks or ... Cease to exist

As far as serving its purpose, it already has, you choose to focus on one aspect of what they do. As far as evolving, I trust you're good for a monthly, recurring withdraws from your paycheck? As is, they do take donations if you would like to start off with a cash donation.

 

[jonjuan]

Game
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So, which one of you is the pitcher and which one is the catcher?

 

[waveflyer]

I love it when someone tries to make a gay slam and then mixes up their sports.
How testosterone of you
:-/

 

[bmpilot2003]

George Carlin knew what to do!

http://youtu.be/3FFgVayrWjs

 

[scoreboardII]

But that kind of captivity is no place for an orca- it would be like one of us living in a glass french hotel, (small) and never being able to leave

You mean, like a cockpit of an airplane?

 

[waveflyer]

Hahaha
And some say they want to fly international

 

[Dan Roman]

Sea World has done heaps to bring sea life and the ocean to a lot of people and motivate them to enthusiastically support efforts to protect the ocean. That's a good thing. They did it by helping animals that possibly would have died had they not intervened. Seems like a good thing to me.

 

[J.Otto]

George Carlin knew what to do!

http://youtu.be/3FFgVayrWjs

Cute little mix there... and I love Carlin's religion spiel... but maybe you should do some research into how important bees really are to our own survival. Its actually quite frightening. Whales, well not so much. They're majestic creatures but play almost no importance in human survival. Bees on the other hand, are incredibly vital to almost all living things, especially human agriculture. That bee colonies have died off in massive numbers recently, is alarming to say the least.

 

[lowtimedriver]

You guys got me, call names and make absurd generalities saying that right wingers ignore science on every issue.

Right, science is the left is disguise. NOAA, NASA, the EPA all infected by the left and their agenda. Lib's are too gullible.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Sea World has done heaps to bring sea life and the ocean to a lot of people and motivate them to enthusiastically support efforts to protect the ocean. That's a good thing. They did it by helping animals that possibly would have died had they not intervened. Seems like a good thing to me.

Most of their marquee acts were herded and captured and in no risk of dying. A rescued pelican is not driving SeaWorld profits.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Most of their marquee acts were herded and captured and in no risk of dying. A rescued pelican is not driving SeaWorld profits.

I think you may be missing Dan's point-- Seaworld's "marquee" acts, of which Shamu is just one, allows them the funds to do their other, more altruistic acts that people don't have any interest in watching, let alone paying to watch. Like rescuing and protecting sea animals, and raising awareness and promoting protection and stewardship of the sea itself.

In a larger sense, I think you (and some of the more left on the board) are also missing one of the points of capitalism itself-- if you legislate away (or "politically-corect" to death) Seaworld's "marquee" acts, then the company doesn't survive. And then what? All their actual important work involving sea life doesn't get done. Either that, or now the government will have to take care of it. You know, because the government has so much spare money lying around and all.

Bubba

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Ok Bubba,

Nobody is legislating anything. Consumers and sponsors (Southwest...smartly) will decide with their wallets and do business elsewhere if they disagree with the practices of a corporation. It's happening and all you want to do is turn this into a left/right thing.

I bet in your eyes, the liberal media is harassing SeaWorld by filmed the herding of those whales and slaughter of the pods....I mean corporations have a religion and can contribute to political campaigns in the eyes of the right so SeaWorld is being wrongfully discriminated against.....I follow you....not really

 

[Russ]

Ok Bubba,

Nobody is legislating anything. Consumers and sponsors (Southwest...smartly) will decide with their wallets and do business elsewhere if they disagree with the practices of a corporation. It's happening and all you want to do is turn this into a left/right thing.

Your statement shows you've not been following the OSHA v Seaworld case very closely. Not saying that OSHA doesn't have a valid case, but it is government intrusion into how Seaworld runs its business.

 

[PCL_128]

The government has a place to protect workers from soulless corporations that would place them in harm's way just to make a buck.

As far as rescuing pelicans and other such nonsense, Seaworld does that only as an attempt to rehab their atrocious image problems. They don't get a gold star for rescuing a pelican after torturing whales and dolphins for decades.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Your statement shows you've not been following the OSHA v Seaworld case very closely. Not saying that OSHA doesn't have a valid case, but it is government intrusion into how Seaworld runs its business.

OSHA is protecting the worker, not the captured animals. Or was that the Trainer's fault the KILLER whale took her limbs off?
Next argument please....

 

[SWA Bubba]

Ok Bubba,

Nobody is legislating anything. Consumers and sponsors (Southwest...smartly) will decide with their wallets and do business elsewhere if they disagree with the practices of a corporation. It's happening and all you want to do is turn this into a left/right thing.

I bet in your eyes, the liberal media is harassing SeaWorld by filmed the herding of those whales and slaughter of the pods....I mean corporations have a religion and can contribute to political campaigns in the eyes of the right so SeaWorld is being wrongfully discriminated against.....I follow you....not really

Well now you're missing my point, Bill.

I said legislate or politically-correct to death, the latter of which is the case here. And the only "left/right" thing is that typically it's the left wielding political correctness as a weapon against corporations.

In the real world, there's hardly ever any black and white like you make it seem to think there is. Seaworld does a hell of a lot of good for wildlife and the sea environment, and pays for it with their parks and shows. And they put on shows that the public want and are willing to pay to see. Take that away, or scare the people away with one-sided documentaries, and Seaworld and all their good deeds go away.

But, hey, you're always telling me what a right-wing zealot I am. So that means that I personally don't give a sh!t-- my kids are old enough to not care about Seaworld--so go ahead and shut them down. And obviously, I also must not care about wildlife or the sea, so why would I care if they don't do any of that good stuff anymore? Hell, we'll just have the government take over that stuff as well. What do you think, Bill?-- another new tax to pay for it?

Bubba

 

[Russ]

OSHA is protecting the worker, not the captured animals. Or was that the Trainer's fault the KILLER whale took her limbs off?

I simply pointed out that the poster was incorrect about this all being market forces at work. Don't try to make more of it.

As far as soulless corporation (yes, I know, not your comment) I know a lot of workers at Seaworld who are making a very comfortable midle class living off that company. Living here in San Diego I see the good that Seaworld does that doesn't make it past the local media and d@mn sure isn't considered by the free willy crowd.

 

[waveflyer]

Ok Bubba,

....I follow you....not really

These are most of my interactions with bubba.

 

[SWA Bubba]

These are most of my interactions with bubba.

That's because you have the admitted attention span and comprehension of a six year-old. Hopefully you'll eventually grow up. :beer:

Bubba

 

[waveflyer]

Nope, just more important things to do than attempt to change the mind of an ideologue
You can just be you and view things how you will

Btw- sea world made $459 million last year, so....I'm pretty sure there's good money as a motivator too