SCOPE at DELTA

[FDJ2]

And we could have walked! No judge can force you to work. No backbone at the big D.

Then quit. Because that's what you are advocating. Not a strike, but a mass resignation. After everyone quits, then what?

 

[MCOE175]

Dead subject... RP/S5 is delaying weight increase.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is a good idea. DAL got the message loud and clear.

 

[PuffDriver]

Dead subject... RP/S5 is delaying weight increase.

Not a dead subject if the aircraft have already been certified. Perhaps we need to fire up the training department for EMB175s

 

[Fly4hire]

Not a dead subject if the aircraft have already been certified. Perhaps we need to fire up the training department for EMB175s

Even if they rescind the weight increase, any aircraft already modified are in violation even if they do not fly over 86K. The contract is based on certificated weight. If these aircraft have been modified they must be de-certified or not be flown on a DCI certificate. Period.

 

[PuffDriver]

Even if they rescind the weight increase, any aircraft already modified are in violation even if they do not fly over 86K. The contract is based on certificated weight. If these aircraft have been modified they must be de-certified or not be flown on a DCI certificate. Period.

Or on our certificate--as in Delta's

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Assuming this thing is settled, how much to you want to bet that this thing is swept under the rug as a "communications foul-up"?

Yea, foul-up all right...like someone spilled the beans before they were supposed to, and we found out about it.

Agree with F4H. If one of those modded aircraft flys a DL code, grievance time.

Nu

 

[koepp]

Even though Northwest does not require a bachelor's degree, I do not know any pilots hired in the last hiring wave without one. I do know a few pilots at Compass without one. There are some extremely qualified Compass pilots, but there were also a couple hired with around 700 hours of total flight time. The hiring standards were not the same. The interview process at NWA was also a lot more selective. Compass struggled to fill classes at one point. That being said, I have no problem putting every single Compass pilot on our list, but I want all the Republic 175's also. It is not possible to take on their pilots. I have no problem doing this. A few years ago, Republic took Mid-Atlantic's airplanes without the pilots. We need all 175's at mainline. After that happens, we need to bring the 175 pay rates up to mirror the DC-9's. None of this will ever happen. In a few years, the smallest aircraft left at mainline will be the 757.

If I remember right, the low time Compass pilot had 996 hours; 7 total got hired with less than ATP mins.

 

[mynameisjim]

The weight mod puts a new Weight placard over the pilot jumpseat. Feel free to check if you ride on one. It'll be on your left at eye level behind the captains head.

 

[Fly4hire]

Dead subject... RP/S5 is delaying weight increase.

Delaying, canceling, or delaying "indefinitely"?

 

[Fly4hire]

Heyas,

Assuming this thing is settled, how much to you want to bet that this thing is swept under the rug as a "communications foul-up"?

Yea, foul-up all right...like someone spilled the beans before they were supposed to, and we found out about it.

Agree with F4H. If one of those modded aircraft flys a DL code, grievance time.

Nu

Nu,

From what I gather they (MEC) were unawares of this until it was brought up by discussions that started over on APC nad the warning was sounded.

Those pesky "internet rumors" may well have helped the MEC stop a violation in it's tracks before it could have done damage that might have been more difficult to undo after the fact.

There is nothing out of the MEC on this, so it remains to be seen whether they publicly acknowledge there ever was a threat, and how it was stopped. I hope to hear something from my Reps next week during the MEC meeting.

 

[Fly4hire]

Heyas,

Assuming this thing is settled, how much to you want to bet that this thing is swept under the rug as a "communications foul-up"?

Yea, foul-up all right...like someone spilled the beans before they were supposed to, and we found out about it.

Agree with F4H. If one of those modded aircraft flys a DL code, grievance time.

Nu

Nu,

From what I gather they (MEC) were unawares of this until it was brought up by discussions that started over on APC and the warning was sounded.

Those pesky "internet rumors" may well have helped the MEC stop a violation in it's tracks before it could have done damage that might have been more difficult to undo after the fact.

There is nothing out of the MEC on this yet, so it remains to be seen whether they publicly acknowledge there ever was a threat, and how it was stopped. I hope to hear something from my Reps next week during the MEC meeting.

F4H

 

[Minimaniac]

Does anyone think at an airline like Republic which carries pax for 3-4 different majors actually goes out of thier way to provide excellent service to OUR pax??

Yes, actually, we do. While we do have the opportunity to fly for multiple carriers, I find that most people who have the option to bid Delta trips do just that. We enjoy working with your gate agents, your ramp crews, and your passengers. While there are always exceptions, i find that the Delta flying is generally the most desirable. RAH pilots (again, there are always exceptions at every company) do take pride in a job well done, and we do aim to serve your passengers well.

Sometimes we get stuck flying crap equipment and have no choice but to operate in a sub-par fashion. We have 1 145 in United colors that has no galley! Everyone hates to fly it, but United management does not care enough to make our airline remove it from service and replace it with a normal aircraft.

However, Delta tends to treat us crews and RAH in general well. In return, we aim to do the best we can for your passengers. Even as Delta continues to break its contract with RAH (specifically in terms of aircraft utilization), we still go out and do the job as best we can. I hear griping from the passengers all the time as they board (eww, this is a small plane...etc.), but they are generally pleased by the time they disembark.

Back to the original topic...

I find it curious that RAH is planning to up the weights on the Delta 175's, which operate at 76 seats, but has not indicated any desire to up the weights on the USAirways 175's which carry 86 passengers in an all-coach configuration (and which have been owned for a longer time). The RAH/Delta 175's are being made to match the Compass birds. Why is there a sudden push for commonality? Why would RAH want commonality with another carrier's aircraft, but not among its own fleet?

There is more to this story...

 

[Fly4hire]

I find it curious that RAH is planning to up the weights on the Delta 175's, which operate at 76 seats, but has not indicated any desire to up the weights on the USAirways 175's which carry 86 passengers in an all-coach configuration (and which have been owned for a longer time). The RAH/Delta 175's are being made to match the Compass birds. Why is there a sudden push for commonality? Why would RAH want commonality with another carrier's aircraft, but not among its own fleet?

There is more to this story...

And the answer lies in who exactly called for the increase MTOW of these aircraft.

Those managing the DAL BOD right now are not your father's DAL. The whole thing reads like a NWA management play book to me. Hope we find out.

Hope the DALPA Boyz wise up to the ways of to the former Politburo from Moscow on the Mississippi......

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They do not call in the Kremlin down here in GA for giggles.

 

[NuGuy]

De Le Te D

 

[MCOE175]

Maybe this is why the weight increase!

DOT Gives Shuttle America the Flexibility to Fly Solo

Shuttle America received U.S. Transportation Dept. approval to offer service independent of its fee-for-service arrangements with U.S. airlines, giving the Republic Airways Holdings subsidiary the freedom to go that route although it has no immediate plans to do so (DAILY, Dec. 18th).

In approving the request March 23, the DOT said Shuttle America told the department it had "no immediate plans" to start a self-branded service but wanted "the flexibility to respond quickly to new marketplace opportunities." Shuttle America's request was essentially identical to a request made by Republic Airways subsidiary Republic Airlines; the DOT approved that request in November 2007, but Republic still offers services solely through contracts with U.S. carriers, flying as US Airways Express and Midwest Connect.

Shuttle America currently operates 37 Embraer E-170 and 13 E-175 aircraft under fee-for-service arrangements, flying as United Express, Delta Connection and Mokulele.

The DOT said it approved Shuttle America's request because "the record indicates that Republic Airways Holdings has substantial financial resources to support [Shuttle America] in conducting independent operations." Under the conditions of that approval, if
Shuttle America does decide to conduct independent operations, it must notify the DOT at least 45 days before starting the service.

 

[Superpilot92]

Maybe this is why the weight increase!

DOT Gives Shuttle America the Flexibility to Fly Solo

Shuttle America received U.S. Transportation Dept. approval to offer service independent of its fee-for-service arrangements with U.S. airlines, giving the Republic Airways Holdings subsidiary the freedom to go that route although it has no immediate plans to do so (DAILY, Dec. 18th).

In approving the request March 23, the DOT said Shuttle America told the department it had "no immediate plans" to start a self-branded service but wanted "the flexibility to respond quickly to new marketplace opportunities." Shuttle America's request was essentially identical to a request made by Republic Airways subsidiary Republic Airlines; the DOT approved that request in November 2007, but Republic still offers services solely through contracts with U.S. carriers, flying as US Airways Express and Midwest Connect.

Shuttle America currently operates 37 Embraer E-170 and 13 E-175 aircraft under fee-for-service arrangements, flying as United Express, Delta Connection and Mokulele.

The DOT said it approved Shuttle America's request because "the record indicates that Republic Airways Holdings has substantial financial resources to support [Shuttle America] in conducting independent operations." Under the conditions of that approval, if
Shuttle America does decide to conduct independent operations, it must notify the DOT at least 45 days before starting the service.

Where have i seen this before and how did it work out in the end........

 

[ACL65PILOT]

The only way that they would up these weights with out the direct input of DAL management is so they could be in violation of part of their contract with DAL.
These jets the 175's are on a separate much shorter term contract with DAL, then all of the other flying that RAH does.

SPECULATION-----
IF they thought that they could up the weights and get this part of their contract voided without it effecting the remaining portion, they probably guessed wrong.
If could have been possible that DAL gave them notice that if they violated this part of the contract they would void all of their contracts with them. Taking this to court and having to fight DAL all the while DAL was not paying them money would be a death nail.

Just another way to look at this. FWIW, no one down here on VA. is admitting that they knew anything about the weights getting upped until it was brought to their attention.

 

[FSIGRAD]

Stay off the drugs. Delta not Republic requested this mod and was also going to pay for it. Moot point for the moment, we are told to stick with the old weights.