SCOPE at DELTA

[800Dog]

Not for Delta. A code share maybe (we have a code share with Alaska too, and they fly to Hawaii from SEA), but that is about it. You will NOT be flying a plane larger than 76 seats as a Delta Connection. Nope. We gave up 6 seats in BK court to allow a certain number of 70 seaters to become 76 seaters, and that is the ONLY thing that would FORCE us to do it again. We didn't willingly give up extra seats, we were forced to, with a BK judge watching.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Actually, we willingly gave up 6 seats. The majority of Delta pilots voted in favor of a contract that allowed the company 76 seaters. All this after our ALPA reps said the line in the sand was 70. Had we stood our ground, we would be flying these jets. No way the company closes its doors over 6 seats. We are the weakest group in the industry on scope. Sad, but true.

 

[FDJ2]

these jets. No way the company closes its doors over 6 seats. We are the weakest group in the industry on scope. Sad, but true.

The company wouldn't have had to close its doors over 6 seats. The 1113c wasn't about closing the company's doors, it was about rejecting our contract. In all likelihood our contract would have been rejected, as others were, and, like others, we would have been denied the right to strike. What are the scope limits when you don't have a contract?

 

[General Lee]

Actually, we willingly gave up 6 seats. The majority of Delta pilots voted in favor of a contract that allowed the company 76 seaters. All this after our ALPA reps said the line in the sand was 70. Had we stood our ground, we would be flying these jets. No way the company closes its doors over 6 seats. We are the weakest group in the industry on scope. Sad, but true.

We didn't offer that to the company, they came after it with the BK judge in the backround. They were going to get it, and NWA had already gotten the seats to 76 seats (with the Compass deal), so that was the magic number. It was offered in a "package" deal in the end, with the person who was presiding. Hard to turn that down. You know that.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[800Dog]

The company wouldn't have had to close its doors over 6 seats. The 1113c wasn't about closing the company's doors, it was about rejecting our contract. In all likelihood our contract would have been rejected, as others were, and, like others, we would have been denied the right to strike. What are the scope limits when you don't have a contract?

And we could have walked! No judge can force you to work. No backbone at the big D.

 

[General Lee]

And we could have walked! No judge can force you to work. No backbone at the big D.

Didn't we lose the case dealing with overtime flying back in 2000? I think we did. They ruled we could not stop the status quo, and that meant flying greenslips, even during Xmas. Looks like they can force things upon us. You can quit though, if you don't like it. Now, we don't have to roll over and give away scope, but in BK and other situations, we will lose more often than we will win. At least the Obama administration is MORE union friendly than the Bush administration....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[FDJ2]

And we could have walked! No judge can force you to work. No backbone at the big D.

Then quit. Because that's what you are advocating. Not a strike, but a mass resignation. After everyone quits, then what?

 

[MCOE175]

Dead subject... RP/S5 is delaying weight increase.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

That is a good idea. DAL got the message loud and clear.

 

[PuffDriver]

Dead subject... RP/S5 is delaying weight increase.

Not a dead subject if the aircraft have already been certified. Perhaps we need to fire up the training department for EMB175s

 

[Fly4hire]

Not a dead subject if the aircraft have already been certified. Perhaps we need to fire up the training department for EMB175s

Even if they rescind the weight increase, any aircraft already modified are in violation even if they do not fly over 86K. The contract is based on certificated weight. If these aircraft have been modified they must be de-certified or not be flown on a DCI certificate. Period.

 

[PuffDriver]

Even if they rescind the weight increase, any aircraft already modified are in violation even if they do not fly over 86K. The contract is based on certificated weight. If these aircraft have been modified they must be de-certified or not be flown on a DCI certificate. Period.

Or on our certificate--as in Delta's

 

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Assuming this thing is settled, how much to you want to bet that this thing is swept under the rug as a "communications foul-up"?

Yea, foul-up all right...like someone spilled the beans before they were supposed to, and we found out about it.

Agree with F4H. If one of those modded aircraft flys a DL code, grievance time.

Nu

 

[koepp]

Even though Northwest does not require a bachelor's degree, I do not know any pilots hired in the last hiring wave without one. I do know a few pilots at Compass without one. There are some extremely qualified Compass pilots, but there were also a couple hired with around 700 hours of total flight time. The hiring standards were not the same. The interview process at NWA was also a lot more selective. Compass struggled to fill classes at one point. That being said, I have no problem putting every single Compass pilot on our list, but I want all the Republic 175's also. It is not possible to take on their pilots. I have no problem doing this. A few years ago, Republic took Mid-Atlantic's airplanes without the pilots. We need all 175's at mainline. After that happens, we need to bring the 175 pay rates up to mirror the DC-9's. None of this will ever happen. In a few years, the smallest aircraft left at mainline will be the 757.

If I remember right, the low time Compass pilot had 996 hours; 7 total got hired with less than ATP mins.

 

[mynameisjim]

The weight mod puts a new Weight placard over the pilot jumpseat. Feel free to check if you ride on one. It'll be on your left at eye level behind the captains head.

 

[Fly4hire]

Dead subject... RP/S5 is delaying weight increase.

Delaying, canceling, or delaying "indefinitely"?