SCOPE at DELTA

[Fly4hire]

I have nothing but the utmost respect for most regional pilots. We are all pilots. I do not blame scope erosion on you. I am placing the blame on our unions. We need to make a stand. It would be nice if the IBT would step in and threaten Republic knowing that it is in violation of another union's contract. I know this will never happens. Unions are about collecting dues. The people running the unions are extremely overpaid for what they do, and they will not risk losing their cushy jobs for anything. Some unity would be nice though.

Hockey, Nailed it. It's not the regional pilot starting out who takes advantage of the deal in front of them, but the attitude of royalty among senior mainline pilots who consider themselves too good to have little airplanes on the property.

Actually it's worse than that - they have and continue to consider themselves insulated from Scope outsourcing and are happy to bargain away the career of pilots junior to them to benefit or repair post BK contracts for themselves.

Your point on cushy union jobs is spot on. All the talk of we are the biggest dog in ALPA and can fix it is just talk. If Lee Moak is aspiring to Prater's job he also needs the votes of all the B1, 2, 3, & 4 Reps - he can't afford to be the avenging angel of Scope.

All I know if if we keep giving it away the best any junior or mid-grade pilot is going to aspire to is stagnation in their current position

Your best bet may be to leave and get an E175 or other large SJ provider job before their growth really takes off and they are flying our 150 seat lift.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

I just checked in to look at this thread, after 2 weeks of "swearing off" the BS at FI.

How ironic that 2 products of scope relief (Superpilot and PeanuckeCRJ) are the 2 cheerleaders of scope NOW!!

While I agree that scope is a major problem, I can't stand A$$kissers like these 2, suddenly pretending that they were born into the right seat at DAL.....(or wherever they are now).

Any of you guys that came from an RJ should probably STFU, as you guys were part of the problem prior to becoming a "Major Pilot". To all the others who have suffered and watched as their their careers were negatively impacted by scope creep, I apologize.

To all those such as SuperPilot and PeanuckleCRJ, get a F---ing life!!

Rant over.........................

My guess is DALPA is thinking the same too. Kind of like Hank Greenburg crusading against executive bonuses.

 

[Fly4hire]

My guess is DALPA is thinking the same too.

And that hubris on their part is exactly what has led us to where we are today - with DALPA at the bleeding edge of the weakest Scope in the industry since RJ's first flew.

 

[IamGumbyDammit]

Love your avatar, wish some would have.

 

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Given the sentiment, and that it would be political suicide to do another behind the scenes deal on Scope, I think this one will get a full airing with the MEC.

They are already doing behind the scenes deals. They waived LOA 2006-10 with regard to ASA and Comair, they are working on divesting Compass. ....

 

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Your point on cushy union jobs is spot on. All the talk of we are the biggest dog in ALPA and can fix it is just talk. If Lee Moak is aspiring to Prater's job he also needs the votes of all the B1, 2, 3, & 4 Reps - he can't afford to be the avenging angel of Scope.

All I know if if we keep giving it away the best any junior or mid-grade pilot is going to aspire to is stagnation in their current position

Your best bet may be to leave and get an E175 or other large SJ provider job before their growth really takes off and they are flying our 150 seat lift.

Fly, I only wish Moak was acting out of political self interest. Unfortunately he is not.

He does seem to be a true believer in outsourcing. A believer that Delta pilots benefit from having other pilots perform flying that is beneath a subjective standard. He will not say "as cheaply as possible," but he points out that management shares those cost savings with the brand's pilots.

In balance he has done an excellent job in other areas. But when it comes to scope his focus is very narrowly focused on wide body captains. That might be fine for Delta, but that thinking would cause even greater harm to our association than present policies are.

 

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My guess is DALPA is thinking the same too. Kind of like Hank Greenburg crusading against executive bonuses.

Mr. Greenberg to me, was always about stock awards and letting the market provide the "bonus." This is how he rewarded good performance and he did not tolerate failure.

I'm sure he is against bonus money for poor performance - it would be no change from they way he ran AIG for 42 years. During that time he took AIG's US domestic business from a failure and made it the World powerhouse it became. He was forced out in 2006, setting off the chain of incompetency that resulted in AIG's 2008 failure.

Just so you know, Captain Hank Greenberg was one of the US Soldiers that liberated the Nazi prison camp at Dachau in WWII and he fought in Korea and recieved a Bronze Star in combat.

 

[JoeMerchant]

They are already doing behind the scenes deals. They waived LOA 2006-10 with regard to ASA and Comair,

They had to because of the threat of more legal action....ALPA has painted itself in the perverbial corner.....

 

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What's a perverbial corner?

Do you mean a proverbial corner, like when common sense or a maxim is broken, or, do you mean an act of perversion that we might read about in Maxxim?

 

[FBN0223]

Scope, for many of us, is the main issue. It will take tough negotiating and strong union support from all to get back our flying. Moak is not the man for the job. He is a company stool pigeon who will fold early and side with the Delta management on the scope issue.

In the meantime, handing out seniority numbers to DCI carriers is not the solution. Only contractual language that explicitly bans outsourcing and returns our flying back to where it belongs with the pilots of Delta will solve the problem.