SBY goings on???

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Anyone from PDT hear anything about class dates in November? A friend's third cousin's wife's housekeeper may have overheard something like that

Thanks,
ceo

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

It's never a good sign....

.....when the person that scrubs your third cousin's wife's toilets knows more about your career than you do! I would double check with the Tidy-Bowl man. He may be in a position to know.

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

Good one, Jeff. Sad part is, he probably makes more cleaning honey pots than I do flying.

 

[OPECJet]

Classes starting after January.
No upgrades for a while.
The 10 airplane rumor is false.

The above has been verified by the union and the company.

 

[crashmbern]

what was the 10 airplane rumor???

 

[ceo_of_the_sofa]

10 old Air Wisky Dashes, or so I thought. That, and Q400s sometime after :crying:

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

I'm hearing flow through rumblings that aren't exactly good for us... ala unrestricted flush with nada for current PDT folks. Anyone else hearing anything?

Ahhh, I'm sure there is nothing to the rumors. The PDT MEC would NEVER sell us out. Would they?

 

[JohnnyP]

...

I heard something to that tune also. Probably a bunch of garbage like everything else that is batted around.

But heres something that will be coming to PDT. Next year for CQ, theyll have some more stuff added into the sim(supposedly). Was told by training dept. that their loading ROA and CHO into the database and adding the beta lockout to the sim. I didn't even know it wasnt installed in the first place.?. Those rumors I can actually half-believe.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Yeah they told me the same thing in CQ. They also said that the EGPWS would be in the sim around January. Wanna bet that one of next year's first look manuevers will involve an EGPWS escape maneuver? Another one will probably be a V1 cut in ROA and following the Aerodata supplied special single engine procedures.

The sim has always been behind the times. I don't even think the sim has the rudder isolation valve mod the airplanes have.

Anyone have any info/points of view on the prospective flow through?

 

[Sig]

I can give you my POV regarding the flow through:

Right now, it ain't. Granting super-seniority to pilots that left PDT to join the list is whacked. I'll fight that nugget tooth and nail. HOWEVER- if we agree on a reintegrated seniority flowTHROUGH, not flowBACK, I'm in 100% and I'll stand by it all the way down. Period. Show me in writing, and I'll show you my hat. Of course, there is no writing right now...

In other news,

The 400? Never. Sorry, kids- there are way too many irons in the fire to even entertain the idea. As BillySurf would be quick to point out: We're a turboprop op, nothing more, nothing less. We're not the white horse to save mainline, we're not the most profitable arm of the airline, we're just PDT. We serve a specific purpose. Mainline has so many Gordian knots to unravel that by the time we're considered for a tuneup, PDT won't have the Dash.

/rant

 

[check6]

Q400 not a turboprop??!!??

As BillySurf would be quick to point out: We're a turboprop op, nothing more, nothing less.

The Q400 is a 70 seat turboprop and would fit into this category. . . .

 

[Dash8]

i'm sure there is some desire by the mainline peoople for super seniority obviously, but they sure as heII they aren't gettin it,
the mda guys could and rightfully should flow back to their original positions, thats the point of a flow through, but no one wants any 'super seniority' even most of the mda guys i know aren't/wouldn't want that....
there was a union message the other day stating that there was nothing other than what was previously agreed to in the original restructuring agreement in the works...

 

[Dash8]

definately don't believe any of the whackjob crap thats on the lavwall, its most likely just one or two guys thinking that if you keep saying the same lies over and over again, it will eventually be true....

 

[Sig]

The Q400 is a 70 seat turboprop and would fit into this category. . . .

Rog. WTF am I talking about? It's a perfect match for us. DeHavilland is going to flip out at the impending order!

Except for the fact that it's a Q400 that costs somewhere between 24-25 million a copy, money that ain't gonna be spent here (as in here, the place I work) for a long time. That just fo' the airframe. Something tells me there might be other factors involved, but I might be wrong (GECAS, footprint, some simulated flight training device or somesuch, lease vs. ownership vs. CASM vs. bottom line vs. standing fleet and again vs. bottom line).

But you're right. It is in the same category. That and several dollars will buy you a cup of Starbuck's.

 

[Sig]

i'm sure there is some desire by the mainline peoople for super seniority obviously, but they sure as heII they aren't gettin it,
the mda guys could and rightfully should flow back to their original positions, thats the point of a flow through, but no one wants any 'super seniority' even most of the mda guys i know aren't/wouldn't want that....
there was a union message the other day stating that there was nothing other than what was previously agreed to in the original restructuring agreement in the works...

YOU ARE THE MAN. I will quietly step outta my seat if they come back as we all KNOW it should be.

 

[Dash8]

sig, exactly, we ourselves would only want the same thing if we left under the auspices that we could come back upon furlough,
not be above anyone we weren't above before, but back to our relative positions... its really only fair....
i do'nt have an upgrade at risk (since i'm still an fo) but i do have a fairly cushy fairly senior position in base, schedule wise...

 

[capt. crunch]

Not tryin to ruffle the feathers, but when I left PDT 2 years ago, the biggest rumor going around that was suppost to be "FOR REAL" was that DHC had come to SBY and gave a deal about the Q400, 1 mil up front for each 400 they wanted, no payments for a few years, and the pilot training for nothing because it was just transition training so PDT could use their sims. The planes for cheap up front, payments later, and they would pay the transition training. You guys remember that?

C.C.

 

[Dash8]

yeah, they did the same thing at alg, and at the time, crystal city wasn't buyin the deal, cause 'no one wants to fly props' and 'usair will be out of the turbo prop business in 2008' well now they lost out....

HP is smart enough to figure out what a deal they would be, but snooze, ya loose....too bad for us and Tempe

 

[Sig]

sig, exactly, we ourselves would only want the same thing if we left under the auspices that we could come back upon furlough....

Yup. And I'd honor an agreement faster than you can say, "Upgrade? Schmupgrade!"

But the words ain't in place, on paper, and signed. I've said it a hunnert times: I'll beat feet to the street with an agreement.

I think that's the prevalent attitude here. Beers on me iffen I ever fly with you after you upgrade. Every single ALG pilot I've flown with has already been dealt a ration of $hit, yet every one of them has been a riot (save one, and you know who he is, and we don't need to mention his name). I need to get to bed. I've had 4 4-days with two off btb, and the fiancee is hornier than a New Orleans funeral.

Poor me.

 

[Dash8]

well it is written, all the i's weren't crossed and t's dotted, is the problem, and those guys all left under the impression it would be, now they got hung out to dry (or are in the process of it) but it doesn't matter, i'd say odds are all of them wouldn't come back, yeah some would, but i highly doubt all of em would, so it would'nt be that huge of an impact in the long run, kinda like when they integrated us alg guys, for how long was there a huge uproar about how alg guys were going to screw everything up for the pdt guys, and what, like 150 of us were all that were left when the merger was completed? and most of us stayed in our respective bases...