Say Goodbye to MESA

[CaribPilot]

Ughhhh

Sorry to burst your bubble but there is virtually no chance of a ch 7 for Mesa. They just filed a motion to affirm Delta's contract ( and no Delta doesn't get a vote) they will also hear the Delta lawsuit in BK court now.

All of the existing contracts are profitable and Hawaii is now making money. This is a very simple process, reject the airplanes nobody wants, continue to lead the industry in operating performance, and over the next 3-5 years extend the United and Airways contracts for longer terms.

Mesa is here to stay.

I'm sorry....I think i just vomited in my mouth a little bit.

 

[ASACRJFlyer]

...continue to lead the industry in operating performance...

Mesa is here to stay.

This was all I had to read of your post to know that it was flamebait but I'll bite anyway.

You've really gone off the deep end if you think Mesa has industry leading operating performance. Why do you think Delta wants to terminate their contract??? And you're calling Olympus an idiot???

I have no ill will toward the Mesa pilot group (they're just trying to earn a living like everyone else) but JO and his cronies need to find a different line of work and quit dragging the industry down, so here's to hoping Mesa goes Chapter 7, and soon! :beer:

 

[Jar Jar]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Delta has no options here. The Debtor (Mesa) get's to decide what contracts it affirms and guess what the judge is going to do.

With regard to Raytheon, that is just normal delay tactics. The judge will find the aircraft, the paperwork, and airworthiness to be perfectly fine. What do you think will happen? Force Mesa to continue to pay leases?

Sorry you are an idiot.

Wait, how can you call this guy an idiot?

You may disagree with him, you may think that his interpretation of information is unsound, but to call him an idiot is just unfounded. He forms opinions based on facts, that makes him no more of an idiot than you or me.

Resorting to personal insults versus arguing facts and their interpretations actually makes your opinions less valid to those of us who know how to read.

 

[olympus593]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Delta has no options here.
Sorry you are an idiot.

I'll try again, Mesa is forcing Delta to make a choice cancel or modify its contract so they can take that into account in their reorganization plan.
That what Mesa's motion is. Smart move from Mesa if Delta is not going to renew the contract pass it's expiration date they want to know now so they can reject those leases. If they did not and Delta did not renew the contract in 2012 when Mesa is out of chap 11, they are back at square one, 22 leases seating around and costing money.
Either way those 22 ERJ are gone.

 

[olympus593]

With regard to Raytheon, that is just normal delay tactics. The judge will find the aircraft, the paperwork, and airworthiness to be perfectly fine.

Sorry you are an idiot.

With the engines missing? OK whatever you say.

Look at the picture on the link.

 

[CX880]

Why would Delta get rid of ERJs? Now Mesa will be cheaper and been through BK, its a fresh start. Look for more DC flying to go to Mesa. Mesa will never die, their kind of business is very valuable for majors. Cheap.

 

[gojo]

Why would Delta get rid of ERJs? Now Mesa will be cheaper and been through BK, its a fresh start. Look for more DC flying to go to Mesa. Mesa will never die, their kind of business is very valuable for majors. Cheap.

What would be cheaper for Delta, keeping the flying, profits and controll in house or contracting it out and loosing the profits?

 

[Beantown]

This was all I had to read of your post to know that it was flamebait but I'll bite anyway.

You've really gone off the deep end if you think Mesa has industry leading operating performance. Why do you think Delta wants to terminate their contract??? :

I find if funny that an ASA guy is trying to make fun of anyone over performance.

 

[rene]

With the engines missing? OK whatever you say.

Look at the picture on the link.

Did you ever consider that the engines are nice and warm in a warehouse? Maybe engines are normally removed for long term storage?

 

[rene]

Wait, how can you call this guy an idiot?

You may disagree with him, you may think that his interpretation of information is unsound, but to call him an idiot is just unfounded. He forms opinions based on facts, that makes him no more of an idiot than you or me.

Resorting to personal insults versus arguing facts and their interpretations actually makes your opinions less valid to those of us who know how to read.

This guy is an idiot for coming on here and saying Delta has a choice to accept the contract being affirmed by Mesa, when they have no such right. He should say something like "He thinks they do" or "he wished they do", but to state unequivocally that they do is being an idiot.

 

[rene]

This was all I had to read of your post to know that it was flamebait but I'll bite anyway.

You've really gone off the deep end if you think Mesa has industry leading operating performance. Why do you think Delta wants to terminate their contract??? And you're calling Olympus an idiot???

I have no ill will toward the Mesa pilot group (they're just trying to earn a living like everyone else) but JO and his cronies need to find a different line of work and quit dragging the industry down, so here's to hoping Mesa goes Chapter 7, and soon! :beer:

Please consider for a moment that Mesa's reputation and many of your perceptions on this board were framed based on poor past performance. Recently (for over a year) Mesa has in fact, produced industry leading perormance in nearly every metric for all partners. They have made too many improvements to enumerate.

So Why did Delta cancel the contract? According to the Federal judge.... they cancelled the contract "in bad faith" using cancellations commanded by Delta in JFK, so Delta could use the slots. They did it because they has a brand new CEO who wanted to flex his muscle, they did it because the price of fuel had skyrocketed to $140 per barrel and they did it because they no longer longer needed the 50 seat feed. Let's forget about the contract, flet's forget about being a good partner, let's trump up some charges and just cancel the contract, "what can they do?

Delta was then and is now a big bully and they never expected Mesa to fight back. That is why Mesa won an TRO and why they are still flying for Delta. In the meantime Mesa is leading all Connection carriers in all performance metrics, including in flight product. Sorry if you disagree but this is the truth.

I guess we will see who is right shortly when the judge rules and Mesa affirms the Delta contract without Delta's consent.

 

[CLARKGRSWOLD]

I am a Mesa Pilot and I have no shame in my job the pays me 85k

 

[superrav]

why doesn't someone just post the performance numbers??

 

[kf4amu]

I am a Mesa Pilot and I have no shame in my job the pays me 85k

Wow look out big spender coming through. That's pathetic for what your responsibilities are.

 

[N813CA]

Hell I work at Comair and I am stuck making 50k as an FO thanks to no upgrade.